Swap Primary Attributes (Thrall and Wisp)

[NoThlnG]

I've searched the thread but I found nothing so...

Strength : 19 + 1.9
Agility : 15 + 1.4
Intelligence : 22 + 2.5 (primary)



Strength : 17 + 1.9 (primary)
Agility : 14 + 1.6
Intelligence : 23 + 1.7

Suggestion is simple. JUST CHANGE THE PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE OF THOSE 2 HEROES

Thrall :

• Appearance fits as STR hero
• BG Story => ....Being raised by humans as a gladiator....
• His skills aren't that much spammable and doesn't need that much mana

Wisp :

• Appearance fits as INT hero
• Has lower than normal STR and STR gain (17 + 1.9)
• It's a spirit
• Has high starting INT

[Ignis]

although that way it would make more sense, I don't think it's a good idea because current primary attributes fit their skills and their gameplay style and changing them would be a nerf. I wouldn't mind it though. T-null

[Guardian AngeL]

I also think IO must be in Int tavern. But in case of Thrall not sure.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Ignis

although that way it would make more sense, I don't think it's a good idea because current primary attributes fit their skills and their gameplay style and changing them would be a nerf. I wouldn't mind it though. T-null

IO => He's a support anyway. More int surely not a nerf (in case we change the INT / INT growth). Else, he'll just gain more damage but it can be adjusted.

Thrall => More STR sure benefits him since it gives more hp. He's more like an initiator/ganker to me and many STR heroes does that also so I don't think it's a nerf. Well, if we don't change the stats, he may get some damage nerf but it can be adjusted.

[Shadow Fury]

WTF ninja. I was going to make the same thread.

Fuck.

T-Up obviously.

[1337_n00b]

En. Oh. Thrall is, was, and will be an INT hero, even lorewise.

T-Down. Wisp'll work tho/

[NoThlnG]

@TLG : Merged

BTW, I thought of it yesterday but I didn't have any chance

[Shadow Fury]

Originally Posted by 1337_n00b

En. Oh. Thrall is, was, and will be an INT hero, even lorewise.

T-Down. Wisp'll work tho/

Would you rather have an STR Ogre or an STR Wisp?

It's quite simple, IMO.

[CyberTech]

T-up. But even with changing their atributes, I don't think it'll affect gameplay much: IceFrog always uses pseudo-balancing, which is kinda lame.

[DigoO]

t-u for idea but need a balance on stats

[Monsterlord]

En. Oh. Thrall is, was, and will be an INT hero, even lorewise.

This in Thrall's case, he's a Farseer after all.

As for Wisp, I'd rather he stays str. He needs to be able to survive in the thick of the clash with very little to protect himself other than his own teammates, his stats are overall weak, and a ball of energy would have no true stat, so who's to say Int is what defines it?

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

This in Thrall's case, he's a Farseer after all.

As for Wisp, I'd rather he stays str. He needs to be able to survive in the thick of the clash with very little to protect himself other than his own teammates, his stats are overall weak, and a ball of energy would have no true stat, so who's to say Int is what defines it?

Ok, I'll clarify one thing first

PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE DOESN'T INCREASES AN ATTRIBUTE!

Unless 2nd suggestion is really needed, you'll have "same" amount of hp and mana. Just some change in damage (which is 'greater' at early level and little 'less' at late)

[Linism]

I don't mind Thrall being STR (Have you ever seen that fker chase Alliance scum around Orgrimmar to show them some Doomhammer Diplomacy? That's definitely a STR Hero).

BUT I think Io being STR is a good touch... I admit at first, I too was WTF when I first saw the changelog but after playing him multiple times, I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with IceFrog. The STR being his primary offsets his fktardedly low stats and allows you to tank more and Overcharge better (more DPS (negligible but it's better than no DPS) + more survivability), if he was INT, he'd have too much mana for his skillset I think. But if you do want him to go INT, I personally think a buff to his STR is a must, since his stat-gain is abysmal.

[NoThlnG]

zzz...

Ok, to be clear I removed the alternative stats from the OP.

Just to say, the STATS REMAINS SAME. So, THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT HP, MANA AND SO ON!

The only things that can be changed is damage which can be balanced by changing original damage or the initial and growth of primary attributes

[Monsterlord]

Ok, I'll clarify one thing first

PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE DOESN'T INCREASES AN ATTRIBUTE!

Unless 2nd suggestion is really needed, you'll have "same" amount of hp and mana. Just some change in damage (which is 'greater' at early level and little 'less' at late)

Of course not, but it does make his items that little bit more useful. Heart for example is an important item for Io to aim for, and his being strength will mean he can look forward to a little boost to his damage output while he does his job.

In Thrall's case, he's strong enough as an Int, if he was Str or Agi he would be too powerful at all stages during the game.

[NoThlnG]

You're true and is Thrall and Io is item dependent hero? Especially Io?

[Monsterlord]

Io is, actually. Without powerful regen, he's almost useless.

Thrall's not so dependant on items, but as an int hero the lategame items targetted at him don't have as much of an impact. Either you go for the top-tier int items and be relatively fragile, go for something tankier but be less useful, or aim for dps but weaken your utility.

If he was strength he'd be tanky with powerful spells by aiming for the likes of Heart or Armlet, and if he was agility he'd have both the spells and high physical damage output because of Manta and Butterfly.

[CyberTech]

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

Io is, actually. Without powerful regen, he's almost useless.

Thrall's not so dependant on items, but as an int hero the lategame items targetted at him don't have as much of an impact. Either you go for the top-tier int items and be relatively fragile, go for something tankier but be less useful, or aim for dps but weaken your utility.

If he was strength he'd be tanky with powerful spells by aiming for the likes of Heart or Armlet, and if he was agility he'd have both the spells and high physical damage output because of Manta and Butterfly.

Thrall is NOT a carry, nor a tank. I don't see how heart can be concidered such a useful item on him, since heart is useful on EVERY SINGLE HERO in DotA.
If he's STR, then he could aim for heart, hex, shiva, blink (I consider him being almost the same as TC and ES). So making him str will just make him a STR caster, not a STR tank caster. Just my opinion.

[Ultra_Rasengan]

IceFrog has his a good concept

Thrall - Lightning and magical damage, INT, but model looks STR
Wisp - Magical powers and models, STR, but model looks INT

Switching them maybe is a good way, just swap primary attributes but the attributes remain the same T-Up on Wisp, T-null on Thrall, 80% t-up on Thrall and 100% on Wisp , not sure

[CyberTech]

Originally Posted by kenchie046

IceFrog has his a good concept

Thrall - Lightning and magical damage, INT, but model looks STR
Wisp - Magical powers and models, STR, but model looks INT

Switching them maybe is a good way, just swap primary attributes but the attributes remain the same T-Up on Wisp, T-null on Thrall, 80% t-up on Thrall and 100% on Wisp , not sure

He has a very bad concept of pseudo-balancing. Imba-skills, lame stats = 1 doom and dead.