Mask Of Madness >> some improvements

[ItIsNight]

1st improvement is to make 2000gold-mask some better on cd:

Old Mask Of Madness:

Recipe:
Mask of Death (900)
Mask of Madness (1000)
TOTAL = 1900 gold

Bonuses:
17% Lifesteal
active - Gives +100 attack speed and +20% movement speed but causes you to take 30% extra damage. Lasts 12 seconds, costs 25 mana, and has a 25 second cooldown.

New Mask Of Madness:

Recipe:
Mask of Death (900)
Gloves of Haste (500)
Mask of Madness (600)
TOTAL = 2000 gold

Bonuses:
17% Lifesteal
+25 attack speed
active - Gives +75 attack speed and +20% movement speed but causes you to take 30% extra damage. Lasts 12 seconds, costs 25 mana, and has a 25 second cooldown.

Advantages:
+ Better stats when not active, same bonuses when active;
+ Gloves in recipe makes sense where IAS from;
+ Some more easy to get because of splitted cost;

Disadvantages:
- 100 gold higher total cost < because of better stats and splitted cost;
- So owerpowered??? o_O


2nd improvement is to change icon:

Advantages:
+ Realy fits madness, not Leonid, but rly good;
+ It's mask, not a Captain-America's helm;

Disadvantages:
- Icon already used for Troll Warlord's ulti, but i think as an item it's better.

[†GodKing†]

No! It should be the item component of Satanic instead of HotD!

[BlizziC]

no, it should get an upgrade, not satanic upg instead of hotd
like mask of chaos

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by †GodKing†

No! It should be the item component of Satanic instead of HotD!

Originally Posted by Blizz_W

no, it should get an upgrade, not satanic upg instead of hotd
like mask of chaos

Hey guys, is it some kind of trolling? How your posts fits the topic?

You don't understand the concept of Mom. Item's idea is a low-cost dps item with sided effect (vamp). And you wanna to make it upgradable to late-game item.

[SpiderPig]

Originally Posted by Blizz_W

no, it should get an upgrade, not satanic upg instead of hotd
like mask of chaos

agreed

[dominator02]

Originally Posted by †GodKing†

No! It should be the item component of Satanic instead of HotD!

Then the bonuses and cost would be:

Cost:6200(+50)

Gives
25 Strength
20 Damage
5 Armor
25% LifeSteal
Unholy Rage

Skill Information

Unholy Rage
Causes the user to have 175% Lifesteal and 100% IAS but the user takes 30% damage.

This would be a direct buff to Slark but nerfs to other carries who benefits HotD to be used on early game to farm like Drow,Troll,etc because MoM makes them paper with the exception to Slark as he can prevent the 30% damage take by Shadow Dance while HotD doesn't.

OT:
Your suggestion just only nerf it for +100 gold but 25% IAS as an constant as a buff.I don't know if it should be.null vote.

[NoThlnG]

T-D.

Can you really give me a 'good' reason why we must buff/change MoM?

[†GodKing†]

Originally Posted by dominator02

Then the bonuses and cost would be:

This would be a direct buff to Slark but nerfs to other carries who benefits HotD to be used on early game to farm like Drow,Troll,etc because MoM makes them paper with the exception to Slark as he can prevent the 30% damage take by Shadow Dance while HotD doesn't.

OT:
Your suggestion just only nerf it for +100 gold but 25% IAS as an constant as a buff.I don't know if it should be.null vote.

Indeed. But I guess we can add little spice to satanic with 5% increase ms. ^^

[Dispel~]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

T-D.

Can you really give me a 'good' reason why we must buff/change MoM?

+1 to that. I don't see a part of MoM's concept that is broken. Especially the icon.

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Can you really give me a 'good' reason why we must buff/change MoM?

Mask of death is a crappy item for this cost. 10% vamp is like +3~+4 hp on hit (with armor), most hero's starting cd is 1.7, it's near 1.5 with agility => so it's like to buy RoR.

Making HoD (1900 total gold) takes bonuses from HoD, increase mask's vamp by 5% and adds 20 damage (!!!) from nothing to fit it's cost. Getting +20 damage at 5-7 lvl is like +25-35% dps boost. And some useful Domination ability ofc.

Mom is same cost as HoD, but there is no +5 armor and +20 damage, vamp is 2% difference. On activating mom, you get +100 as, with pt and 30 agility, it's like +60% dps boost, but hero takes 30% more damage, so dps vs him is +30% boosted too, it's 1.6/1.3=1.23 koof of effectiveness, equal to HoD, but hod's dps bonus is constant.

Getting +25AS for unactive mom is small buff. Ofc, HoD is some OP, but Mom looks like phase boots vs PT.

[Kanashimi]

T-UP for everything. Except the icon of course.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by ItIsNight

Mask of death is a crappy item for this cost. 10% vamp is like +3~+4 hp on hit (with armor), most hero's starting cd is 1.7, it's near 1.5 with agility => so it's like to buy RoR.

Making HoD (1900 total gold) takes bonuses from HoD, increase mask's vamp by 5% and adds 20 damage (!!!) from nothing to fit it's cost. Getting +20 damage at 5-7 lvl is like +25-35% dps boost. And some useful Domination ability ofc.

Mom is same cost as HoD, but there is no +5 armor and +20 damage, vamp is 2% difference. On activating mom, you get +100 as, with pt and 30 agility, it's like +60% dps boost, but hero takes 30% more damage, so dps vs him is +30% boosted too, it's 1.6/1.3=1.23 koof of effectiveness, equal to HoD, but hod's dps bonus is constant.

Getting +25AS for unactive mom is small buff. Ofc, HoD is some OP, but Mom looks like phase boots vs PT.

Wait2, what do you mean by +60%? +100 AS with PT and 30 Agiliy it's 100 + 25 + 10 + 30 = 165% AS boost. While AS boost is almost same with dps boost (100% AS bonus = 2x attack in same time = 100% dps boost) so it's 165% dps boost.

[Wimpex]

i like this changes so T-Up! of course, excepting icon =))

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Wait2, what do you mean by +60%? +100 AS with PT and 30 Agiliy it's 100 + 25 + 10 + 30 = 165% AS boost. While AS boost is almost same with dps boost (100% AS bonus = 2x attack in same time = 100% dps boost) so it's 165% dps boost.

Sry, my bad, i was calculate with old Str-PT (+30 AS). So, its 155/165 for str-or-int-/agi-boots. While MoM is activated, it provides +100 as buff, then you get 155+100=255% as. So 255/155=1.64 = +64% dps. Doesn't change anything, just 1% missing.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by ItIsNight

Sry, my bad, i was calculate with old Str-PT (+30 AS). So, its 155/165 for str-or-int-/agi-boots. While MoM is activated, it provides +100 as buff, then you get 155+100=255% as. So 255/155=1.64 = +64% dps. Doesn't change anything, just 1% missing.

The calculation isn't right because you included AS in both base and added but you didn't included damage. Or, you should exclude the initial AS and count only bonus one (which +100% dps boost)

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

The calculation isn't right because you included AS in both base and added but you didn't included damage. Or, you should exclude the initial AS and count only bonus one (which +100% dps boost)

What a damage you means? Hero's attack Damage? Formula: Damage*AS/CD=dps. Damage is static and i don't need it to calculate the dps changes on active/unactive mom. AS is 100% base +IAS (agility,PT,mom). So here is 100+30+25 bonuses without buff and 100+30+25+100 when mom is active. Dps grows up for 255/155 multiplier, coz CD is constant and dam did not changed.

[BenchBreaker]

yeah MoM is really bad compared to HotD, since Dmg is better than AS due to the nature of the heroes starting attributes.

everyone starts with 40-60 Dmg but 115-130 AS, and both grow by 2-3 per level

because base AS is so much higher, % increase is much less. Obviously there are many more items that give Dmg then AS, your aim is to keep both at equal amounts for optimum dps.

[Monsterlord]

I like the icon suggestion, I'd go and make a real topic just for that. Hate the captain america mask myself >,>