The Most Hard Carry?

[ark-eXodia]

who do you think is the most hard carry hero in the game that was really undefeatable when full geared and fight him in 1vs1.
i think it was:
1.jarakal
2.void
3.naga siren
4.spec
5.morted
6.magina
7.terror blade
8.rikimaru
9.phantom lancer

[D-D-D-D-Dora]

Obsidian is one of the best yet for some reason not on this list.

Also go use search function there are 10,000 useless threads like this in archive. We don't need another pub -em thread in strat with completely unrealistic scenarios.

In no particular order all of the following are notable in 1v1's

Void
Tiny
OD
Pudge
Tinker
PL
Naix

[plzonlygame]

Remove Rikimaru and Magina, add Medusa and Destroyer. That would be my list, not in order. Morphling could deserve a spot too.

EDIT - Didnt see 1v1, as you know Dusa is more a 5v5 hero.

[Nanaya Shiki]

Originally Posted by D-D-D-D-Dora

Obsidian is one of the best yet for some reason not on this list.

Use BKB and Destroyer will be killed.

[ark-eXodia]

oh thanks i forgot those two,and what about slark?

[D-D-D-D-Dora]

Originally Posted by Pokokichi2

Use BKB and Destroyer will be killed.

While OD walks away from you ignoring your bkb or better yet just hides himself and wastes your duration. This is 1v1 not 5v5, bkb is a stupidly weak item because heroes can just dance around for the 5-10 seconds it is active.

[wankyu97]

slark is really easy to use
i think tinker is a hard carry to play cuz you need to farm very well

[galuf]

Medusa ofc and after imo TB. Siren if you plan to push the base with ultimate

Troll and riki are definitely not for 1v1.

Tiny and Pudge are not that good in real 1v1 situations: because tiny's nukes get naturally weaker through the game and it's dodgeable, because Pudges need often help to finish heroes if he manages a good hook/dismember.

[zaphodbrx99]

this discussion goes nowhere.

a CM with refresher EB dagon5 could probably kill anyone, it means nothing.

[D-D-D-D-Dora]

Originally Posted by zaphodbrx99

this discussion goes nowhere.

a CM with refresher EB dagon5 could probably kill anyone, it means nothing.

Your giving away my tinker build!

[ark-eXodia]

Originally Posted by galuf

Medusa ofc and after imo TB. Siren if you plan to push the base with ultimate

Troll and riki are definitely not for 1v1.

Tiny and Pudge are not that good in real 1v1 situations: because tiny's nukes get naturally weaker through the game and it's dodgeable, because Pudges need often help to finish heroes if he manages a good hook/dismember.

for riki i kinda agree, but troll?he was the most perma basher hero in dota so it makes no senses fight him in 1vs1.

[D-D-D-D-Dora]

Originally Posted by galuf

Medusa ofc and after imo TB. Siren if you plan to push the base with ultimate

Troll and riki are definitely not for 1v1.

Tiny and Pudge are not that good in real 1v1 situations: because tiny's nukes get naturally weaker through the game and it's dodgeable, because Pudges need often help to finish heroes if he manages a good hook/dismember.

Tiny has two disables + craigy which is all he needs to be good in 1v1. He trashes any attack based late game hero with his disables and naturally good damage. The main issue is that people try to make tiny a caster after early-->mid because it is harder to build him up as a late hero.

Full inventory pudge that bites you twice with aghs is going to kill almost any hero. EB Dagon Bite Hex Refresh EB Dagon Bite Hex whack whack whack if they are somehow still alive.

Troll sucks shit

All he has is some IAS skills and a 10% bash. He gets shit on by MKB/EB/Manta.

[noobnooblo]

Void should be at number one...

[ark-eXodia]

Originally Posted by D-D-D-D-Dora

Tiny has two disables + craigy which is all he needs to be good in 1v1. He trashes any attack based late game hero with his disables and naturally good damage. The main issue is that people try to make tiny a caster after early-->mid because it is harder to build him up as a late hero.

Full inventory pudge that bites you twice with aghs is going to kill almost any hero. EB Dagon Bite Hex Refresh EB Dagon Bite Hex whack whack whack if they are somehow still alive.

Troll sucks shit

All he has is some IAS skills and a 10% bash. He gets shit on by MKB/EB/Manta.

yeah troll is really shit against those three,especially manta or illusions heroes.
late naga siren can pawned him in instant, without any fights

[andreacirri]

Spectre...

[fevgatos]

There is not just 1 that wins against everything. For example, Permabashers get owned by Tiny / Tinker / OD / Lion / Lina. Then those heroes get owned by Naga / CK / PL. Syllabear powns the rest. But mainly, it's all about item builds.

Tinker for example can be build in such a way that he probably can kill any of the above heroes. Hex / Orchid / bkb against burst damage nukers, Dagon5 + EB against permabashers , shivas + eb + march against illusions, linkens / bkb against stunners. All he needs is 2 items to counter every fucking hero in the game , and then stack 4 soul bousters or whatever else gives him a mana pool big enough to spam his shit non stop (4 x hex , 4 x soulbouster , 4 x orchid or whatever).

And yes , Tinker Kills Void sadly. Get a dagger + eb + dagon 5. Void blinks in to cast chrono, you double click dagger you are out of his chrono. Now go eb-->dagon 5---> rearm--->eb--->dagon 5---> rearm. The 3rd or 4th time he should be dead most probably. Getting a hex is overkill imo

Interesting things to mention : CK's ulti gives him 100% damage illusions. Getting 5 Hots + a manta means that ck has : 25x2.9 + 60 (base dmg) - 17 (starting str) + 20 (from stats) + 5 x 40 (str from hot) + 10 str ( from manta) = 345.5 damage per hit.

So , 345.5 x 4 (3 images + him) = 1382 damage per hit + 345.5 x 2 / 3 (33% damage on illusion of manta) = 1612 damage per hit and about 7k hp! Without even counting critical. Taking critical into account it's

1612 x 22% = 1612 + 350 = close to 2k damage per hit

0.6 attacks / second * 103 agility (from manta + stats), means 1.2 attacks / second. 2k x 20% = 2.400 damage per second! If he stuns someone for 3 seconds and then blinks he just dealt 7.5k dmg. If its 4 second stun he dealt 10k dmg! Any fucking hero just died a painful death

[mrwoodenshoes]

IMO TB and Spectre fight the hardest for "Farm for 30 minutes and pray you can carry" title.

[r3dman]

OD full geared (Int PT, Guinsoo, Shiva, Orchid, Agh, Refresher). Hex, whack with +300 pure dmg, whack, hex ends, orchid + shiva + ult, refresh, guinsoo, whack whack, orchid + ult + shivas = 5k + damage

[Bloody Knuckles]

Originally Posted by mrwoodenshoes

IMO TB and Spectre fight the hardest for "Farm for 30 minutes and pray you can carry" title.

lol. sad but true. imho, rather than be scared shit of you're own skills, you should focus on killing the enemy tho.

[HELLRAISER]

cant decide which one of the 3 void/tinker/syllabear