[remake] Zeus' Ulti and Aghanim's Scepter for him

[ItIsNight]

Zeus' ulti damage is only for heroes, so let make it Pure damage, but with lesser values. It will make more easy-calculateable to strike and some stronger vs Hood etc. Like this:

160 pure damage
250 pure damage
340 pure damage

Notes:
- Same damage as magic for heroes without extra magic-rezist
- Deals damage through BKB
- Damage is still low and long-cd

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There are some ideas to remake the Aghanim's effect on Zeus.

Current One:

+125/125/120 (1/2/3 lvl) to ulti's damage.

So, it's useless for it's price (4200), granging +125 magic (rezistable) damage once in 2 mins. Better to get Dagon xD (2750), granting +400 damage much more often than utli. Or going for hex. Or going for necro. Or buy BoT+Dagger. There are not so many useful items for him.

Makes 'Static Field' ability additionaly trigger around all enemy heroes. (900 aoe)

Example:
1. There are heroes in a lines and running home (300/1100 hp). Casting lvl 2 ulti with aghanim and lvl 4 static field will provide additional damage euqal to 11% of their current health, than default lvl2 ulti. So running one will take 300*11%=33 additional magic damage (Lesser than with old Aghanim).
2. There are teamfight, enemy heroes stay close coz your team has no aoe-nukers. Casting lvl2 ulti with aghanim and lvl 4 static field will provide Static field around each enemy hero, greatly damaging them all.

Notes:
- Become less useful on striking fleeing heroes
+ Greatly up in teamfights
- Still less useful then ES's ulti
+ Synergy, that makes zeus more interest as a character

Makes ulti damage enemy heroes like 'Static Field', dealing 25% of maximum HP.

Notes:
+ Better on striking fleeing heroes
+ Better on killing high-hp heroes.
+ Better in teamfights then current one
- Less effective in teamfights than suggested#1
- Still less useful then ES's ulti

Makes 'Ulti' to stun enemies for some seconds (1 or 2 or near it).

Notes:
- Lesser damage
+ Zeus will take aoe-disable > better in teamfights/ganking/lategame
- Doesn't fit zeus' specialization

Doesn't affect ulti directly, but improve 'Static Field', increasing percentage from 5/7/9/11% to 7/9/11/13.

Notes:
+/- Not an usual Aghamin's upgrade;
+ Better lategame for zeus;
+ Better damage output at all;
+ Fits him much;
- Less effective in teamfights than suggested version#1 or version#2.

* idea of pipser

I prefer the #1 version.

[Dispel~]

So let's see:
v1: T-up, though it's a forced synergy.

v2: Definately not, you're practically changing the mechanics of the skill.

v3: Stun is not actually needed here. LBolt's ministun is enough for such a purpose, and I don't think that one would use this skill to initiate.

So, Agha's useless for it's price (4200), granging +125 magic (rezistable) damage once in 2 mins.

That's a typical level 4 upgrade, it's what Aghanim's Scepter does on most Heroes...

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by Dispel~

That's a typical level 4 upgrade, it's what Aghanim's Scepter does on most Heroes...

Yes, default 4th level, but it's rly weak up.

[Irek]

Changing this ulti to deal 20% current hp is a bad idea becouse it is used mainly to kill fleeing heros and casting and using a 120 sec cooldown spell for teamfights to deal 20% current hp as dmg is pointless when 2 arclightings will deal 22% + 260 magic dmg.
I think that maybe aga should add +x% max hp dealt as dmg maybe depending on static fleid lv. It would be less usefull agains low hp heros but it would increse its potencial agains high hp heros.

[ItIsNight]

Irek, ok, right idea. I'll change v2 ulti for % of max hp damage.

[pipser]

Maybe make scepter affect static field directly? (indirect buff to ulti like balanar)

[ItIsNight]

pipser, i think it's right way to make aghanim improve hero's unique abilities. But current Aghanim's concept is empower the ulties. So... i add your suggestion into 1st post.

[KuroNeko]

Agha: increases damage, triggers static twice before dealing damage.
Agha2: creates thunderclaps dealing 30% of damage in aoe of victims and slowing slightly (pseudo aoe, x1.3 damage is similar to current).

[Linism]

btw, Pure damage cannot damage BKBed targets... if I recall correctly, only Physical, Enhanced (Cleave) or Universal (Doom, March of the Machines) can.

T-Up though for the triggering Static Field upgrade. Maybe with a +damage as well.

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by Linism

btw, Pure damage cannot damage BKBed targets... if I recall correctly, only Physical, Enhanced (Cleave) or Universal (Doom, March of the Machines) can.

BKB protects only from magic damage, but additionaly make hero untargettable for some spells based on magic ones. Also, cleave is pure damage. It's easy to make his ulti strike bkb targets with pure dmg.

[Dr_JP]

- No need to make it pure damage, it's intended to be counterable by spell resistence.
Moreover, if someone wanna play Zeus properly, then one should now how many hp left so it would be lethal.

- Third aghanim improvement to his ult is only 110; it would be nice if the final damage would be 585 instead of 570.

- Your comparation between Aghanim and Dagon is ridiculous: you may know what I'm talking about.

- I'm not going start arguing about Strategy, but Zeus has severals. The fact he doesn't have disables and is not a DPSer may influence your oppinion.

- Version 1 doesn't synergy with the fact of killing almost dead fleeing enemies.
Allowing static field based on enemies position is better, but not so good as an improvement from Aghanim's.

- Version 2 and 3 are OP and have nothing to do with him.

- Version 4 is a fail. Even if Balanar aghanim's improvement is not about cooldown or duration, it is related to his ult.
I don't think Aghanim's should become any regular skill upgrader.

PS: "ItIsNight", don't think I have any personal problem with you! But at least ask yourself why are you creating your threads (aside from "it's not good enough") and if your propose reaches your objective.
Plz, spend more time explaining why your propose would be better (that Dagon comparation was sadly to read...)