[REMAKE] Bloodstone

[NoThlnG]

Frankly speaking, it's really useless in nowadays with other better items (especially linken)

This remake will make Bloodstone more useful especially for Support / Caster

Bloodstone

5050

Bought From :
Protectorate

The last of the blood artifacts forged by the powerful Hemoancer Erythros centuries ago.

Whenever an enemy hero dies within 1425 AoE, gains 2 charges if it has 0 charges, else gains 1 charge (each death can only charge one of these items, if two or more heroes in the AoE have this item, only one will be charged)

Greater Soul Release

• Can expend one charge to target an allied or enemy hero
• If an ally is targeted, it is healed for 450 HP over 9 seconds
• If an enemy is targeted, it takes 450 magic damage over 9 seconds
• Has a 10 second cooldown, and 950 cast range

Blood Pact

• Each charge gives 1 Mana regeneration per second
• When the bearer dies, the bearer forced to casts Greater Soul Release to upto 2 random allied heroes in 1700 range, losing upto 2 charges. Prioritize heroes with lesser hp percentage
• While dead, the bearer gains 1800/1800 AoE vision at the location of death, and gains experience in 1000 AoE at that location
• Gold lost on death is reduced by 25 per charge
• Respawn time is reduced by 3 seconds per charge
• Bloodpact only functions for the highest priority Bloodstone in the inventory

[PoTaTo]

good!!!

[julz33]

definitely more useful. T-Up

[NoThlnG]

Just for information, I removed the mana regen gained when you kills an enemy but increased initial mana regen to 200% (due to Void Stone).

[Green Yoshi]

Heroes who tend to buy Urn and support don't really end up buying 5050 gold items. Still doesn't fix the issue that Linken's and Bloodstone occupy similar niches (Int-carries for raw survivability, mana and regen), and Linken's is simply better in most situations. Need to either buff Bloodstone to be equally viable, or change Bloodstone's niche. You've attempted to do the second but it doesn't actually fit any niche at all; int carries would still go Linken's and supports wouldn't be able to afford it - nobody would really buy it except for really really rich supports. T-Null

[shioon]

Originally Posted by julz33

definitely more useful. T-Up

this

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by ChaosArchangel

Heroes who tend to buy Urn and support don't really end up buying 5050 gold items. Still doesn't fix the issue that Linken's and Bloodstone occupy similar niches (Int-carries for raw survivability, mana and regen), and Linken's is simply better in most situations. Need to either buff Bloodstone to be equally viable, or change Bloodstone's niche. You've attempted to do the second but it doesn't actually fit any niche at all; int carries would still go Linken's and supports wouldn't be able to afford it - nobody would really buy it except for really really rich supports. T-Null

Well, the original idea was come when I see that Bloodstone and Urn has same way in gaining charges.

I agree with your opinion that most support wouldn't be able to afford it but some support and int caster could buy it IMO... Especially since it damages as well...

BTW, increased the damage

[Linism]

What usually attracts me to buy BS instead of Linken's is the +raw mana regen. Maybe add a +xx mana regen (which doesn't increase with charges), and nerf the % regen a bit?

Like maybe 120% mana regen + 5 mana per second. (maybe too low?)

Of course, I'll still T-Up this; just don't want to see one of the only few +raw mana regen items disappear (RoB and Vlad being the other 2).

[Captain Planet]

T-down.

I think Bloodstone needs a buff, not a remake. IMO this doesn't feel right.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by The_Juggernaut

T-down.

I think Bloodstone needs a buff, not a remake. IMO this doesn't feel right.

This, is a buff... --a

[ItIsNight]

It's a major buff. Nerf Soul-release damage. It looks like you have +hp,+mp and dot-dagon ^_^

[Monsterlord]

While I like the idea of both collecting charges from the dead, I'm against this remake. I personally think Bloodstone is very well suited to the heroes that use it, as most of them need heavy mana regen but shouldn't be stealing kills. The changes to the "supportive" charging method and the +mana only from each charge is exactly what it needed to fill it's role perfectly. It just so happens that it's slightly underpowered.

[Wimpex]

omfg, t-up
=))

[Dynes]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Just for information, I removed the mana regen gained when you kill an enemy...

Aside from t-d to this part, I prefer the RoH version, these two items just don't mix. And its forcing the Soul Release part on an item such as BS, uh...

Originally Posted by The_Juggernaut

IMO this doesn't feel right.

...in many ways.

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

LSS:
It just so happens that it's slightly underpowered.

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And yeah, you'd better specify what happens to the Urn's charges after it turns into a Mephisto's Soul Stone.

[pipser]

It seems a bit too drastic, might as well make it a new item.
I agree on bloodstone needing some buff/remake but it should preserve the "mobile fountain" there.

[Torchic Maniac]

I love this remake.
It makes Urn much more useful and it makes the Bloodstone's concept better.

T-up

[ItIsNight]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Greater Soul Release

• Can expend one charge to target an allied or enemy hero
• If an ally is targeted, it is healed for 600 HP over 8 seconds (this effect ends if the hero takes damage from a source other than Sentinel, Scourge or neutral creeps)
• If an enemy is targeted, it takes 400 300 magic damage over 8 seconds
• Has a 10 second cooldown, and 950 cast range

Blood Pact

• When the bearer dies, Bloodpact restores 400 + 30 per charge HP to allied units in 1700 range, and Bloodstone loses a third (0.333) of its charges (rounded down)
• When the bearer dies, Bloodstone casts Greater Soul Release to allied heroes (restores 600 HP over 8 sec) in 1700 range, losing a charge per hero
• While dead, the bearer gains 1800/1800 AoE vision at the location of death, and gains experience in 1000 AoE at that location
• Gold lost on death is reduced by 25 per charge
• Respawn time is reduced by 3 seconds per charge
• Only one Bloodstone activates on death.

^ How about these changes according to Urn of Shadows and new recipe?

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by ItIsNight

^ How about these changes according to Urn of Shadows and new recipe?

That sounds good.

But I'd like to leave the damage 400

Anyway, changed

Also, recipe changed from Void => RoH and now it gives constant mana regen as b4

[ItIsNight]

Mistake in bonuses: string in the bot must be changed from "+6 STR" to "+1 MP/sec per charge".

Fully T-UP. Nice remake.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by ItIsNight

Mistake in bonuses: string in the bot must be changed from "+6 STR" to "+1 MP/sec per charge".

Fully T-UP. Nice remake.

Old Bonus => Bonus from each recipes.... Since +6 from Urn is removed when upgraded, I exclude it