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Old 08-24-2010, 06:11 PM   #1
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:08 PM   #2
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Default Re: [Agi/Neutral] Icraus, The Phoenix

Just gonna give some quick thoughts, I'll have a lot more later (I have to go get my braces taken off, don't have a lot of time atm)

1st skill should probably be active w/ a duration. It's a pretty flashy effect, and it shouldn't be on to often if only because it'd be annoying.

The 2nd skill could use a lot of work, considering it's just Shiva's blast.

3rd skill gives asstons of dps, that's for sure. The slow afterward is pretty original but I think it would just be annoying to the phoenix play more than anything, although it does add some strategy.

Just a couple of questions about the egg. If the egg is killed does the phoenix die? How much life does the egg begin with? Does this occur when the phoenix unit actually dies, or is about to die, or what?

Anyway I'll come back with more later, g2g right now.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:22 PM   #3
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Just gonna give some quick thoughts, I'll have a lot more later (I have to go get my braces taken off, don't have a lot of time atm)

1st skill should probably be active w/ a duration. It's a pretty flashy effect, and it shouldn't be on to often if only because it'd be annoying.
Well this is why I decided to make it a toggle. Icarus can't attack while it's active, which means you have to think when you use it. And plus the armor stacks only 3 times, if it lasted 3 seconds, it'd be too easy to just stun Icarus and waste the effect, and if it was longer than 3 seconds, it'd be too easy to waste half of the skill's effect.

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The 2nd skill could use a lot of work, considering it's just Shiva's blast.
Yeah, it's meant to be a set-up skill. AoE slow with damage. Will see what I can think up for it.

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3rd skill gives asstons of dps, that's for sure. The slow afterward is pretty original but I think it would just be annoying to the phoenix play more than anything, although it does add some strategy.
Well let's use WD's heal as an example. Whenever you have enough mana to cast it you can use it, for no negative consequences, which I think takes 90% of the thinking out of the skill. That is why the slow is there. It's enough that it will not make you use it blindly, however, it's lasts only 3 seconds, it won't make much of a difference if you were farming in the woods for example.


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Just a couple of questions about the egg. If the egg is killed does the phoenix die? How much life does the egg begin with? Does this occur when the phoenix unit actually dies, or is about to die, or what?
Yes, if the egg dies, the phoenix dies. It's effectively a just a model change, the egg will have the same HP/MP/Armor as Icarus, however, while in the egg, he cannot attack, move, and all items are silenced (like Doom). The egg is an activated skill, it's not a passive "When X happens you turn into an egg". For instance you can use it to dodge AoE combos, SF,SK,WL etc., you can use it to heal, for whatever you think is necessary.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:14 PM   #4
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Default Re: [Agi/Neutral] Icraus, The Phoenix

Skill 2 has been reworked.

No other opinions?
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:46 PM   #5
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Funny, there is another phoenix named Icarus...

Skill 3 like Old Lina...reconstructed, i think.

I don't understand skill 4...imagine, if he turn into an egg, he will die eventually...well, when someone duel with him, his HP become low, then he just become an egg, that someone will continue to crack the egg...he should can run away even in low HP, but because of he become an egg...., that is not immortality...
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:43 PM   #6
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What happened to ur actual phoneix suggestion that u r posting another phoneix. That sugg. Was really incredible.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:47 PM   #7
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Funny, there is another phoenix named Icarus...

Skill 3 like Old Lina...reconstructed, i think.

I don't understand skill 4...imagine, if he turn into an egg, he will die eventually...well, when someone duel with him, his HP become low, then he just become an egg, that someone will continue to crack the egg...he should can run away even in low HP, but because of he become an egg...., that is not immortality...
Well I doubt he can be killed in the egg, he'll have high armor, and some really nice regen. For instance if you have Ring of Basilius, he'll have +8 armor at level 6 (in the egg), not to mention the armor he gets from being agility. If people are just going to surround him, they'll have to deal with damage coming out of the egg.

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What happened to ur actual phoneix suggestion that u r posting another phoneix. That sugg. Was really incredible.
What? My other phoenix? He's still there I'll link him in my signature, but I was told be quite a few people that some of his skills weren't good enough. I based a lot of Icarus off my old Phoenix
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it`s Icarus , not Icraus
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:30 AM   #9
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it`s Icarus , not Icraus
Yes, I know, it's a typo. Any comment on the hero itself though?
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:40 AM   #10
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Default Re: [Agi/Neutral] Icarus, The Phoenix

Name changed as requested. For the review, well, honestly speaking, the only unique skill in your hero it your ultimate.

1st skill is just dps + armor reduction. Stacking + mana cost increasement is just minor addition.

2nd skill is just boring

3rd skill, well this one is pretty ok but the concept is pretty much taken from other hero (AS bonus with the cost of mana => Old Raijin / Io, MS reduction after skill is too much like Electric Vortex). Also, the initial mana cost is too big.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:08 AM   #11
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Name changed as requested. For the review, well, honestly speaking, the only unique skill in your hero it your ultimate.

1st skill is just dps + armor reduction. Stacking + mana cost increasement is just minor addition.
It's a toggle ability for starters. Every armor reduction in the game is static, this one stacks. Plus it has the unique effect of always being in front of the hero, thus being a little harder to aim then just clicking on a hero.

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2nd skill is just boring
Elaborate?

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3rd skill, well this one is pretty ok but the concept is pretty much taken from other hero (AS bonus with the cost of mana => Old Raijin / Io, MS reduction after skill is too much like Electric Vortex). Also, the initial mana cost is too big.
lo's ability costs HP and MP for starters, and both Raijin and lo only give AS, my 3rd skill gives damage too. This skill isn't meant to be used blindy for whenever you have mana, that is why the slow is there. High rewards, high risk. And the slow off of electric vortex is nonexistent during game play.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:22 AM   #12
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:41 AM   #13
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It's a toggle ability for starters. Every armor reduction in the game is static, this one stacks. Plus it has the unique effect of always being in front of the hero, thus being a little harder to aim then just clicking on a hero.
Ok, what do you exactly mean by in front? The angle?

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Elaborate?
Simple damage with mini stun and slow....

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lo's ability costs HP and MP for starters, and both Raijin and lo only give AS, my 3rd skill gives damage too.
Damage bonus is just a minor addition. If I make Jah'rakal's ulti weaker a bit and gives bonus damage will you say it original?

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This skill isn't meant to be used blindy for whenever you have mana, that is why the slow is there. High rewards, high risk. And the slow off of electric vortex is nonexistent during game play.
Non-existent =/= doesn't exist. It exists there. And I don't see why we should take the similar concept from existing skill
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:27 PM   #14
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Need test map.
Working on it.

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Ok, what do you exactly mean by in front? The angle?
Think of it as a flamethrower.


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Simple damage with mini stun and slow....
So Warlock's Upheaval is just a simple AoE slow? Dazzle's Poison Touch is just a simple slow? Skill 2 is a slow, with a twist.

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Damage bonus is just a minor addition. If I make Jah'rakal's ulti weaker a bit and gives bonus damage will you say it original?
Neither of those abilities are toggles. I don't remember Storm's old skill but Troll's ultimate is just another low cooldown activated ability. You're meant to think about when to use Skill 3.


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Non-existent =/= doesn't exist. It exists there. And I don't see why we should take the similar concept from existing skill
You aren't understand my argument. When you use electric vortex, it's as if the slow doesn't even exist. Players never think "Well, I'm going to be slowed by 50% for the duration, I better not use it". That is what my 3rd skill is meant to be, it rewards players for making good decisions. Now, if Electric Vortex would slow you by 50% AFTER the duration ended, it would be more like my skill, because now, it's not just a simple cast, you actually have to think about when to use it.
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