[REMAKE] Laguna Blade

kanzakill · 08-24-2010, 10:54 PM

August 26
Reduced damage (thanks to refi and ShadowKnight172)
Made the angle 90 degree for all levels (thanks to LysanderXonora)
Changed description (thanks to LysanderXonora)
August 27
Added description (thanks to LysanderXonora)

Laguna Blade - (Active)

Lina swings a blade of concentrated energy in half a circle, dealing devastating damage to all units struck.

__	____.	________.	_______.	___.	_______.	__________________________.
	Mana	Cooldown	Length	Angle	Duration	Effects
1	280	120	600	90 degree	N/A	Deals 270 damage
2	420	90	600	90 degree	N/A	Deals 405 damage
3	680	55	600	90 degree	N/A	Deals 570 damage

Notes:

Damage type: magical
The blade is swung counterclockwise
A unit can't be damaged more than once by this skill
It takes 1 second to make a complete swing

Flame on.

King Murdoc · 08-24-2010, 11:56 PM

Interesting.

connguatrang · 08-25-2010, 04:50 AM

Yes it's an interesting one

Well would u mind adding Scepter (lv4 or additional effect) ?

red_4900 · 08-25-2010, 05:20 AM

Holy crap 900 damage to full 90 degree...that is insane...900dmg AOE? Are you nuts? o_o"

I do like the swing idea though. It fits the name blade. But, if this is ever to be implemented, it needs to have something like half of the original damage.

ItIsNight · 08-25-2010, 06:09 AM

Make it damage target and then go for a swing: 1st go left for half degree and then right for full. Rescale regree to 50 at all lvls.

Idea is good.

LulzYeah Cdeqz · 08-25-2010, 06:30 AM

Very unique and interesting. I would love to see how it really works in-game (test map)

abrams · 08-25-2010, 08:07 AM

Very interesting. T-Up.

kanzakill · 08-25-2010, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by connguatrang

Well would u mind adding Scepter (lv4 or additional effect) ?

The main suggestion is still very crude. Therefore, I'd rather focus on it than a Scepter effect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by red_4900

Holy crap 900 damage to full 90 degree...that is insane...900dmg AOE? Are you nuts? o_o"

Yes, I'm nuts. And please keep in mind that it takes around 10 seconds to change those numbers.
I've said many times that I have no sense of balance. I'm sorry but that's the (painful) truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItIsNight

Make it damage target and then go for a swing: 1st go left for half degree and then right for full. Rescale regree to 50 at all lvls.

Actually, a swing is often strongest at its end, so let the target be there. Moreover, one swing is enough. Spending too much time swinging and your enemies will laugh at you.
Thanks for your help anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danggo

I would love to see how it really works in-game (test map)

I'm sorry but right now that's impossible. I don't have War3 on my computer.

Dynes · 08-25-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red_4900

Holy crap 900 damage to full 90 degree...that is insane...900dmg AOE? Are you nuts? o_o"

Well yeah there's also Harbinger, QoP, Crix, etc...

D-REZ · 08-25-2010, 11:09 AM

Excuse me but that would be just like QoP's ulti with more damage? I don't think this is a good idea. It IS interesting but not good :/

Fate Trap · 08-25-2010, 11:14 AM

T-up

refi · 08-25-2010, 11:27 AM

Two things:
-Damage is 0.4 of original damage
-Give scepter: adds 0.5 lina's intelligence as dmg.
That will give her late-game presence.

Straight Flush · 08-25-2010, 08:20 PM

t-up and refi's idea isn't that bad except i'd prefer the damage to be 0.7 of original Laguna Blade's damage, but this is just my opinion

kanzakill · 08-26-2010, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-REZ

Excuse me but that would be just like QoP's ulti with more damage? I don't think this is a good idea. It IS interesting but not good :/

I can write a wall of text to prove how this suggestion is better than Akasha's Sonic Wave, which I could call a version of Carrion Swarm. But I won't do that. Instead, I will try to make this suggestion as good as it can be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by refi

Two things:
-Damage is 0.4 of original damage

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowKnight172

t-up and refi's idea isn't that bad except i'd prefer the damage to be 0.7 of original Laguna Blade's damage, but this is just my opinion

Guess what? I'm going to take your numbers and get the average value.
Thank you.

EDIT: Now it seems too weak. Maybe I'll take the average value of current numbers and LysanderXonora's.

Quote:

-Give scepter: adds 0.5 lina's intelligence as dmg.
That will give her late-game presence.

Once again, thank you but I'm still focusing on the main part of the skill.

Those who are reading this, please give me an answer to this question:
Should I make the skill realistic by reducing the initial damage and increase it for every degree that the blade has swung?
Thanks for reading.

EDIT: Never mind. It's a magical blade so physics shouldn't matter.

Right now I'm reading this.

LysanderXonora · 08-26-2010, 07:06 AM

Interesting! Thumbs up!

Although, I suggest making the damage and cooldown lesser since 400 at level one in an AoE is much better than lion's finger. Maybe change to 350/600/850

Another thing is that it should be 90 degrees for all levels, the degree doesnt really matter when it differs by 10 degrees..makes the spell weird.

Also T-up to the aga idea by rifi.

And your description should be cooler too.

Oh, 1 second for a swing is very fast! Maybe 2 seconds? State that during this time she cant move.

Also you might want to add that a unit can be injured once by the bolt. You know, rare instances where a guy blinks after getting hit to a point and gets struck again.

Overall, LOVE the idea. Great thinking!

kanzakill · 08-27-2010, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LysanderXonora

Although, I suggest making the damage and cooldown lesser since 400 at level one in an AoE is much better than lion's finger. Maybe change to 350/600/850

I'm still waiting for more comments regarding this issue. If none comes, I will use the average value of current numbers and yours.

Quote:

Another thing is that it should be 90 degrees for all levels, the degree doesnt really matter when it differs by 10 degrees..makes the spell weird.

Done. Weird person makes weird spells.

Quote:

Also T-up to the aga idea by rifi.

I'm focusing on the main idea.

Quote:

And your description should be cooler too.

It's a blade, not a bolt. It's still very nice.

Quote:

Oh, 1 second for a swing is very fast! Maybe 2 seconds? State that during this time she cant move.

It takes her nearly half a second to complete her casting animation so I think that won't be a problem.

Quote:

Also you might want to add that a unit can be injured once by the bolt. You know, rare instances where a guy blinks after getting hit to a point and gets struck again.

I thought that was self-explanatory. But you're right.

Quote:

Overall, LOVE the idea. Great thinking!

The idea was made by beer so the thinking can't be that great.

Thank you a lot for what you have contributed to this suggestion.

fr0zenknife · 08-27-2010, 06:08 AM

T-down, i don't know why but i didn't liked it and it seems impractical.

kanzakill · 08-28-2010, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fr0zenknife

T-down, i don't know why but i didn't liked it and it seems impractical.

Thank you.

I need more comments.

NoThlnG · 08-28-2010, 01:48 AM

Reminds me of Lightning Blade in Psychic Force (PS game...)

Well, I like the idea but we need to see testmap first I suppose coz it's hard to imagine inside DotA

kanzakill · 08-28-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Well, I like the idea but we need to see testmap first I suppose coz it's hard to imagine inside DotA

For now, that's impossible. I don't even have War3 on my computer.

08-25-2010, 04:50 AM	#3
connguatrang Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 355	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Yes it's an interesting one Well would u mind adding Scepter (lv4 or additional effect) ?

08-25-2010, 05:20 AM	#4
red_4900 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 408	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Holy crap 900 damage to full 90 degree...that is insane...900dmg AOE? Are you nuts? o_o" I do like the swing idea though. It fits the name blade. But, if this is ever to be implemented, it needs to have something like half of the original damage.

08-25-2010, 06:09 AM	#5
ItIsNight Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Snowy Russia Posts: 581	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Make it damage target and then go for a swing: 1st go left for half degree and then right for full. Rescale regree to 50 at all lvls. Idea is good. __________________ Suggestions of remakes/tweaks: Skills rescales, , , , , Visual suggestions: Akasha's overhaul, Suggestions of improvements: Interface (gametime/safegold/timer)

08-25-2010, 06:30 AM	#6
LulzYeah Cdeqz Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 8,267	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Very unique and interesting. I would love to see how it really works in-game (test map)

08-25-2010, 08:07 AM	#7
abrams Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Russia Posts: 337	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Very interesting. T-Up.

08-25-2010, 11:09 AM	#10
D-REZ Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Greece Posts: 1,294	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Excuse me but that would be just like QoP's ulti with more damage? I don't think this is a good idea. It IS interesting but not good :/ __________________ Sug DotA test map TweakFix the undroppability issue Before you ask, try it for yourself-->DotA test map Trolls belong to DotA chat and should stay there.

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08-25-2010, 11:27 AM	#12
refi Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Warsaw(poland) Posts: 317	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Two things: -Damage is 0.4 of original damage -Give scepter: adds 0.5 lina's intelligence as dmg. That will give her late-game presence. __________________ Yay I'm 1337 ^^

08-25-2010, 08:20 PM	#13
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08-26-2010, 07:06 AM	#15
LysanderXonora Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,454 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade Interesting! Thumbs up! Although, I suggest making the damage and cooldown lesser since 400 at level one in an AoE is much better than lion's finger. Maybe change to 350/600/850 Another thing is that it should be 90 degrees for all levels, the degree doesnt really matter when it differs by 10 degrees..makes the spell weird. Also T-up to the aga idea by rifi. And your description should be cooler too. Lina swings a bolt of concentrated energy in a full circle, dealing devastating damage to all units struck. Oh, 1 second for a swing is very fast! Maybe 2 seconds? State that during this time she cant move. Also you might want to add that a unit can be injured once by the bolt. You know, rare instances where a guy blinks after getting hit to a point and gets struck again. Overall, LOVE the idea. Great thinking! __________________ New DotA 2 Hero Newest Heroes Visit my blog here. Skyterror, Wind Rider - Dual form hero at its best. Khazal the Immortal - Immortal hero with a balanced concept

08-27-2010, 06:08 AM	#17
fr0zenknife Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,435	Re: [REMAKE] Laguna Blade T-down, i don't know why but i didn't liked it and it seems impractical.

08-28-2010, 01:48 AM	#19
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