[SENT-STR] Ygrenys Decrof the Dynamic Shredder

[kanzakill]

September 4
Added various descriptions (thanks to roshpit and JJE92)
Changed Saw and added sub-skill Reverse (thanks to SlashStrike, JJE92 and sweetxPopcorn)
September 7
Added description (thanks to JJE92)

Hero icon and model can be changed to anything.



Dynamic Shredder
Ygrenys Decrof

Once the Lord God started a discussion about synergy. Soon after, it became a flamefest. But don't worry for Ygrenys came to save the day. Moreover, he's a fervent lumberjack so there's no way the Scourge can steal the forests from his saw.

Strength - StrBase + [StrGrowth]
Agility - AgiBase + [AgiGrowth]
Intelligence - IntBase + [IntGrowth]

Affiliation:	Sentinel
Damage:	Damage
Armor:	Armor
Movespeed:	Movespeed
Starting HP/MP:	Number/Number
Attack Range:	AttackRange

Electric Charge - (Passive)

Allows user to charge units with eletricity at will.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	Gives two sub-skills
2	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	Gives two sub-skills
3	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	Gives two sub-skills
4	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	Gives two sub-skills

Notes:

• Icon won't be shown
• Units with different buffs from this skill will be dragged 100 range toward each other when the distance between them is between 351 and 251

Positive Charge - (Active)

Charges a unit with positive electricity.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	60	4	500	N/A	2	400*/200**
2	65	3	550	N/A	2.5	350*/250**
3	70	2	600	N/A	3	300*/300**
4	75	1	650	N/A	3.5	250*/350**

Notes:

• Affected units cannot go away from negatively charged units more than *
• Affected units cannot come near positively charged units more than **
• Gives targeted enemy a debuff
• Can be casted on the saw blade

Negative Charge - (Active)

Charges a unit with negative electricity.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	60	4	500	N/A	2	400*/200**
2	65	3	550	N/A	2.5	350*/250**
3	70	2	600	N/A	3	300*/300**
4	75	1	650	N/A	3.5	250*/350**

Notes:

• Affected units cannot go away from positively charged units more than *
• Affected units cannot come near negatively charged units more than **
• Gives targeted enemy a debuff
• Can be casted on the saw blade

Saw - (Active)

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Ejects a saw blade that deals damage every second. The saw blade moves until it reaches max range.

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	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	90	14	1200	250	N/A	20 damage per 0.25 seconds
2	100	11	1500	250	N/A	30 damage per 0.25 seconds
3	110	8	1800	250	N/A	40 damage per 0.25 seconds
4	120	5	2100	250	N/A	50 damage per 0.25 seconds

Notes:

• Damage type: physical
• The saw blade moves at a speed of 522
• Destroys trees
• Trees destroyed by this skill is considered harvested by ultimate skill
• Gives sub-skill Reverse:

Change the direction that the saw blade moves toward. Costs 50 mana and has no cooldown.

[*]Bonus Stats icon won't be shown

Fast and Furious - (Passive)

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Loss of mana decreases the heat and cools Ygrenys' engine down, bringing it nearer to the state of superconductivity. Gives Ygrenys one instance of bonus damage.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	1 instance	+0.5 damage for each point of mana lost
2	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	1 instance	+0.6 damage for each point of mana lost
3	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	1 instance	+0.7 damage for each point of mana lost
4	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	1 instance	+0.8 damage for each point of mana lost

Notes:

• Bonus damage is added the next time he deals damage to hostile units
• Damage type: physical
• No cap

Fuel of War - (Toggle)

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Passively allows user to harvest wood. When activated, burns harvested wood with mana to increase user's power.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	20 mana and 1 wood per second	N/A	N/A	N/A	Until deactivated	15 damage
2	30 mana and 1 wood per second	N/A	N/A	N/A	Until deactivated	20 damage
3	40 mana and 1 wood per second	N/A	N/A	N/A	Until deactivated	25 damage

Notes:

• Damage type: magical
• Damage is dealt to units damaged by user or the saw blade
• Damage is dealt every second to enemy units having debuff(s) from user
• Enemy units that have many debuffs from user will suffer damage many times every second depending on the amount of said debuffs
• User can harvest wood by attacking trees

[Shadow Fury]

Hurray for dynamic synergy!

[Jajeczko]

Originally Posted by The Lord God

Hurray for dynamic synergy!

This

[Lotus V Eater]

so does the saw damages the unit even when it went back to the user?

[Nivo]

This is an awesome hero upto now. T-Up

[kanzakill]

@The Lord God and Jajeczko
Thank you. It's nice to know that I'm going toward the right direction.

Originally Posted by Pink_Lotus

so does the saw damages the unit even when it went back to the user?

Do you mean "when it has gone back to the user"?
Well, it deals damage as long as it flies. Therefore, it deals damage on both ways, back and forth. It's destroyed upon returning to him.

I'm sorry for my bad description.

@Nivo
Yes, it's only up to now. This suggestion needs a good third skill.

Right now I have no idea for third skill, which I plan to make a passive ability. So here's SYNERGY FOR DUMMIES (not supposed to be offensive):
This one is way too obvious that even kindergardeners know. Units with the same buffs can't get close while those with different buff can't move away too far from each other.
Other than the natural synergy, there are two ways to use these two skills effectively. One way is to cast different buffs on your target and the saw blade and then enjoy the massacre. The other way is to cast the same buff on yourself and the saw blade to prevent it from moving back to you, and that's not bad for pushing at all.
What is better than a circular saw other than a sharper and stronger circular saw?
Pretty straight forward. Burns and zaps them at the same time.
Way too obvious.

[Mordoc.]

So you can charge the saw, then charge an enemy and he will have to stick to the saw and suffer the 200 dps for 3.5 seconds, which would be 700 dmg ? seems a bit unbalanced to me.
What happens you charge a unit positive and another one negativ, but the one being negativly charged is more than 250 range away? I imagine that at a certain point the units would be pulled together, like 350 range or sth. like that.

Overall, I like the Idea and theme, so t-up from me!

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by roshpit

So you can charge the saw, then charge an enemy and he will have to stick to the saw and suffer the 200 dps for 3.5 seconds, which would be 700 dmg ? seems a bit unbalanced to me.

That amount of damage will be reduced by armor. And please understand that I have no sense of balance so please don't focus on that part.

What happens you charge a unit positive and another one negativ, but the one being negativly charged is more than 250 range away?

Nothing will happen.

I imagine that at a certain point the units would be pulled together, like 350 range or sth. like that.

Actually, I thought about that possibility when creating this suggestion. But that would create a problem: where should those units be pulled to? Moreover, would you let your allies be pulled?

Thank you for the great input. I hope you can help me more with the above mention matter.

[Mordoc.]

Originally Posted by kanzakill

That amount of damage will be reduced by armor. And please understand that I have no sense of balance so please don't focus on that part.

Okay, sorry for that. I
I don't really have a sense for it either, since i'm just starting to be getting active in this forum.

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Nothing will happen.

Alright^^

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Actually, I thought about that possibility when creating this suggestion. But that would create a problem: where should those units be pulled to? Moreover, would you let your allies be pulled?

Well, I kinda thought of Dark Seer's Vacuum, since it pulls allies and enemys, too. So the targeted point would be the middle between both units. But only from a certain (not very large) range, to keep it fair.

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Thank you for the great input. I hope you can help me more with the above mention matter.

No problem. I will give my best

[Unan1mous]

This is one of the uniquest heroes ive ever seen O:

U need a backstory, stat gain, ...etc tho. Then it would be perfect!

[Mordoc.]

Once a lumberjacking goblin(?)-slave, to the powerful Warsong Clan, the Dynamic Shredder has now acquired his freedom. He has thus joined forces with the Sentinel, to take revenge on his former oppressors. He brings along his mighty saw, to cut down any foes foolish enough to cross his ways. Being driven by vengeance, he even mastered the elements itself, in order to achieve his goal.


Something kinda like that

[Unan1mous]

"Being driven by vengeance"

Lol, a guy on the sentinel seeking vengeance? Take that line out, otherwise its all good.

[Sock Rats]

T-UP!

A really good suggestion.

I enjoy seeing the stats not filled out.
They would just pull people off topic.

[JJE92]

Short review:

Skill 1: I just have to say that this skill's concept is awesome and I really hope to see something like this in dota. Fun and unique. One of the best skills Ive seen on this forum
Worthy of 10/10, but Im too lazy to do scores now

Skill 2: Reminds me a bit too much of Rexxar's Axes, although it has some differences (speed, always going to max range)

Skill 3: Again, a pretty awesome and unique passive, I really like the idea

Ult: Idea is interesting, but how do you harvest wood? I mean you can with Saw, but thats pretty limited. Imo you should add some method to harvest wood.
Question: Does this also increase your normal damage?


Suggestion for Saw: Make it similar, but not coming back. Instead add a subskill which allows you to change the direction of travel of the saw. After using the subskill, the saw will travel for the rest of the remaining units until max range in targeted direction. Would be more unique and interesting, but still similar concept and synergizing (perhaps even more synergizing)
Credits to SlashStrike (Hope I wrote the right name), this would be a skill Ive seen in one of his hero suggestions, if you think its a good idea, Id search it and give you link

[sweetxPopcorn]

i love the saw skill. i think the skill will be more epic, if the saw can be control by you. gee~~

[Mordoc.]

I think there might be some problems occuring with the ms of the saw, since it's quite low for a projectile and i remember reading something about objects with low ms getting blocked by certain spells, thralls field in that case, iirc.

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by roshpit

Well, I kinda thought of Dark Seer's Vacuum, since it pulls allies and enemys, too.

Unfortunately, Vacuum doesn't pull allies.

So the targeted point would be the middle between both units. But only from a certain (not very large) range, to keep it fair.

Looks like that's the best choice.

No problem. I will give my best

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Unan1mous

This is one of the uniquest heroes ive ever seen O:

Thanks. Still, I think that Diceman's heroes are more unique.

Originally Posted by roshpit

Once a lumberjacking goblin(?)-slave, to the powerful Warsong Clan, the Dynamic Shredder has now acquired his freedom. He has thus joined forces with the Sentinel, to take revenge on his former oppressors. He brings along his mighty saw, to cut down any foes foolish enough to cross his ways. Being driven by vengeance, he even mastered the elements itself, in order to achieve his goal.

Thank you for your help but it's not very right. The only thing that can drive a globin to battle is gold.

Originally Posted by PriMaL_ScrEaM

I enjoy seeing the stats not filled out.
They would just pull people off topic.

Well I must say that's right. I don't want comments to be off topic.
Another reason is that I have no sense of balance.

Originally Posted by JJE92

Skill 1: I just have to say that this skill's concept is awesome and I really hope to see something like this in dota. Fun and unique. One of the best skills Ive seen on this forum

Thanks.

Ult: Idea is interesting, but how do you harvest wood?

I thought that was self-explanatory. He's got a machine saw! He can attack trees to harvest them.

Question: Does this also increase your normal damage?

No, it doesn't really increase user's normal damage. It will deals damage to units damaged by user's normal attacks though.

Suggestion for Saw: Make it similar, but not coming back. Instead add a subskill which allows you to change the direction of travel of the saw. After using the subskill, the saw will travel for the rest of the remaining units until max range in targeted direction. Would be more unique and interesting, but still similar concept and synergizing (perhaps even more synergizing)

Originally Posted by sweetxPopcorn

i love the saw skill. i think the skill will be more epic, if the saw can be control by you. gee~~

Thank you.

Credits to SlashStrike (Hope I wrote the right name), this would be a skill Ive seen in one of his hero suggestions, if you think its a good idea, Id search it and give you link

That suggestion is the Bladedancer IIRC.

Originally Posted by roshpit

I think there might be some problems occuring with the ms of the saw, since it's quite low for a projectile

Firstly, the saw blade's not a projectile. In order to make it possible to cast spells on it, I think the coder will have to make it a unit.
I don't think it's too slow. Invoker's meteors move at 300 ms.

and i remember reading something about objects with low ms getting blocked by certain spells, thralls field in that case, iirc.

Interesting. But isn't that nice?
Thrall will be either Ygrenys' best ally or worst enemy.

Editing the suggestion.
EDIT: Done.

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by kanzakill

I thought that was self-explanatory. He's got a machine saw! He can attack trees to harvest them.

Well, it actually was obvious due to the harvest part, but not when the review is done late in the evening by me
Well, now its 100% clear

Originally Posted by kanzakill

No, it doesn't really increase user's normal damage. It will deals damage to units damaged by user's normal attacks though.

Well, thats what I meant ^^
Its kind of a pseudo bonus-damage

Originally Posted by kanzakill

That suggestion is the Bladedancer IIRC.

True
Glad that you like my suggestion and added it, this really fits to the hero and makes the skill more fun to play.
Well you have three subskills now, so I guess this subskill will replace the main skill icon as long as the Saw travels, right.


Overall, I have to say that your suggestion is one of the most complete ones Ive seen on this forum. All your skills are original and fun, there are synergies and even more comboes and last but not least you have a fun, coherent and unique gameplay.
Really great hero, Id like to see this one implemented

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by JJE92

Glad that you like my suggestion and added it, this really fits to the hero and makes the skill more fun to play.

Too bad that it also makes the hotkeys more confusing. Well that's not too bad.

Well you have three subskills now, so I guess this subskill will replace the main skill icon as long as the Saw travels, right.

I don't think that way is good. It would discourage using Refresher Orb.
I think that not showing the Bonus Stats icon is better.
Thank you for pointing this issue out.

Overall, I have to say that your suggestion is one of the most complete ones Ive seen on this forum. All your skills are original and fun, there are synergies and even more comboes and last but not least you have a fun, coherent and unique gameplay.

Actually, the bold part is the only thing I had in mind when I made it.
Glad that it can give fun.