Damage Cap

cp14 · 08-31-2010, 12:49 PM

What are the damage cap of these spells?

[1]Shockwave (magnus)
[2]Dragon slave
[3]Carrion swarm
[4]Sonic Wave
[5]Breath of Fire
[6]Scream of Pain
[7]Illuminate (I am assuming it is shockwave based)
[8]Other skills i might have missed?

Okay so I know (or at least I think I know) that Shockwave, Carrion Swarm and Fan of Knives based spells have damage caps but aside from these spells what other spells have damage caps?

and

9. What will happen if for example ~~Scream of Pain~~Dragon Slave reaches its damage cap---- will it deal 300 damage to a limited # of targets or less than 300 damage to all targets?

thnx in advance

doomsheep · 08-31-2010, 12:50 PM

scream was recoded and doesn't have a damage cap.

Lordshinjo · 08-31-2010, 01:16 PM

The only spells with a damage cap lower than 99999 are Dragon Slave and Sonic Wave.
Dragon Slave's cap is 900/1560/2400/2400.
Sonic Wave's cap is 9000 (at all levels, for both improved and normal version)

When a carrion swarm/shockwave/breath of fire/breath of frost-based spell reaches its damage cap, it will deal full damage to the first units, less damage at some point, and no damage after this point.
The mechanics of this repartition aren't entirely known, but it basically checks by circle sections as the projectile travels forward, and when the damage cap is reached in a section, the damage is shared equally between every unit in this section.

iKrivetko · 08-31-2010, 01:28 PM

Is BoF's dot affected anyhow by the damage cap?

Lordshinjo · 08-31-2010, 01:35 PM

Neither breath of fire's dot (unused in dota) nor breath of frost's dot (used in dual breath) are affected by the damage cap.

Unnamed_ · 08-31-2010, 01:43 PM

A thought that came in my head:
What if I get both Pandaren Brewmaster and Dragon Knight in a game.Does BoF even have a value set for it's DoT?If yes, how much for how long?

Edit:
Silly me..I tested in single player, Dragon's Breath has no DoT.

tech-ladan · 08-31-2010, 03:21 PM

one question

how these damage cap are useful?
For example Dragon's slave lvl is 2400 ok what does it mean?
because you can not reach that am I right?

SoletLuna · 08-31-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akhokhay

one question

how these damage cap are useful?
For example Dragon's slave lvl is 2400 ok what does it mean?
because you can not reach that am I right?

You can, if you hit multiple units.

tech-ladan · 08-31-2010, 03:51 PM

aha I get it. it means if Dragon slave hit a group can not do more than 2400 to all? right?
before reduction you mean?

Lordshinjo · 08-31-2010, 03:56 PM

Oh right, I forgot to say that it's after most reductions.

Meaning that a unit with 10HP left will only account for 10 damage against the cap, and a Hero with some spell resistance and stuff will only account for the damage he really took.

(though any triggered heals should occur only afterwards)

cp14 · 09-04-2010, 10:57 AM

may i ask is there any particular reason as to why DSlave and SWave have less damage cap than others? It is really lame since sonic wave is an ultimate

Unnamed_ · 09-04-2010, 02:28 PM

Balance reasons.In most cases Sonic Wave kills enemy creeps, and if it's cap was 999999, Akasha would be able to stop every push, no matter how many creeps are present.

Lateboomer · 09-04-2010, 09:23 PM

Hmmm since the nearest unit take the full damage, how does the other unit take the damage?

So based on lordshinjo's explaination, for the formation below, assuming the damage cap will be reached by the second row. The first unit would take full damage, the second takes 1/3 damage each, and the final round takes 0 damage despite being covered in aoe?

__x
_xxx
xxxxx

galuf · 09-04-2010, 09:43 PM

Akasha should be able to counterpush late with ultimate imo.

LEM0NS · 09-04-2010, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lateboomer

Hmmm since the nearest unit take the full damage, how does the other unit take the damage?

So based on lordshinjo's explaination, for the formation below, assuming the damage cap will be reached by the second row. The first unit would take full damage, the second takes 1/3 damage each, and the final round takes 0 damage despite being covered in aoe?

__x
_xxx
xxxxx

Correct.

God_ii · 09-04-2010, 10:57 PM

any other spells that have dmg caps?

MassBalance · 09-04-2010, 10:57 PM

illuminate doesn't have a damage cap as far as i am aware, though i could be wrong, before kotl was remade to the current one the cap was like 10,000 or something crazy

iKrivetko · 09-05-2010, 09:36 AM

Quote:

The only spells with a damage cap lower than 99999 are Dragon Slave and Sonic Wave.
Dragon Slave's cap is 900/1560/2400/2400.
Sonic Wave's cap is 9000 (at all levels, for both improved and normal version)

Guys, everything has already been said.

08-31-2010, 12:49 PM	#1
cp14 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: suramar Posts: 1,664 Blog Entries: 1	Damage Cap What are the damage cap of these spells? [1]Shockwave (magnus) [2]Dragon slave [3]Carrion swarm [4]Sonic Wave [5]Breath of Fire [6]Scream of Pain [7]Illuminate (I am assuming it is shockwave based) [8]Other skills i might have missed? Okay so I know (or at least I think I know) that Shockwave, Carrion Swarm and Fan of Knives based spells have damage caps but aside from these spells what other spells have damage caps? and 9. What will happen if for example ~~Scream of Pain~~Dragon Slave reaches its damage cap---- will it deal 300 damage to a limited # of targets or less than 300 damage to all targets? thnx in advance __________________ Awesome and Eyecatching avatar removed due to popuular demand BARA CLUB

Last edited by cp14; 08-31-2010 at 01:02 PM.

08-31-2010, 12:50 PM	#2
doomsheep Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,234	Re: Damage Cap scream was recoded and doesn't have a damage cap. __________________ you are grossly lacking the technical skill required to play this hero and instead of recognizing this and improving you are bitching for the game to change.

08-31-2010, 01:16 PM	#3
Lordshinjo Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 2,146	Re: Damage Cap The only spells with a damage cap lower than 99999 are Dragon Slave and Sonic Wave. Dragon Slave's cap is 900/1560/2400/2400. Sonic Wave's cap is 9000 (at all levels, for both improved and normal version) When a carrion swarm/shockwave/breath of fire/breath of frost-based spell reaches its damage cap, it will deal full damage to the first units, less damage at some point, and no damage after this point. The mechanics of this repartition aren't entirely known, but it basically checks by circle sections as the projectile travels forward, and when the damage cap is reached in a section, the damage is shared equally between every unit in this section. __________________ Before asking any question, try these:

08-31-2010, 01:35 PM	#5
Lordshinjo Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 2,146	Re: Damage Cap Neither breath of fire's dot (unused in dota) nor breath of frost's dot (used in dual breath) are affected by the damage cap. __________________ Before asking any question, try these:

08-31-2010, 01:43 PM	#6
Unnamed_ Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,250	Re: Damage Cap A thought that came in my head: What if I get both Pandaren Brewmaster and Dragon Knight in a game.Does BoF even have a value set for it's DoT?If yes, how much for how long? Edit: Silly me..I tested in single player, Dragon's Breath has no DoT.

Last edited by Unnamed_; 08-31-2010 at 01:47 PM. Reason: edit

08-31-2010, 03:21 PM	#7
tech-ladan Tech Support Volunteer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Iran/Sweden Posts: 2,559 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Damage Cap one question how these damage cap are useful? For example Dragon's slave lvl is 2400 ok what does it mean? because you can not reach that am I right? __________________ It is funny, people willing to pay lots of money for a beta key,which is free, but on the other thread they cry for F2P DotA2....

08-31-2010, 03:51 PM	#9
tech-ladan Tech Support Volunteer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Iran/Sweden Posts: 2,559 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Damage Cap aha I get it. it means if Dragon slave hit a group can not do more than 2400 to all? right? before reduction you mean? __________________ It is funny, people willing to pay lots of money for a beta key,which is free, but on the other thread they cry for F2P DotA2....

08-31-2010, 03:56 PM	#10
Lordshinjo Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Posts: 2,146	Re: Damage Cap Oh right, I forgot to say that it's after most reductions. Meaning that a unit with 10HP left will only account for 10 damage against the cap, and a Hero with some spell resistance and stuff will only account for the damage he really took. (though any triggered heals should occur only afterwards) __________________ Before asking any question, try these:

09-04-2010, 10:57 AM	#11
cp14 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: suramar Posts: 1,664 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Damage Cap may i ask is there any particular reason as to why DSlave and SWave have less damage cap than others? It is really lame since sonic wave is an ultimate __________________ Awesome and Eyecatching avatar removed due to popuular demand BARA CLUB

09-04-2010, 02:28 PM	#12
Unnamed_ Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,250	Re: Damage Cap Balance reasons.In most cases Sonic Wave kills enemy creeps, and if it's cap was 999999, Akasha would be able to stop every push, no matter how many creeps are present.

09-04-2010, 09:23 PM	#13
Lateboomer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,027	Re: Damage Cap Hmmm since the nearest unit take the full damage, how does the other unit take the damage? So based on lordshinjo's explaination, for the formation below, assuming the damage cap will be reached by the second row. The first unit would take full damage, the second takes 1/3 damage each, and the final round takes 0 damage despite being covered in aoe? __x _xxx xxxxx

09-04-2010, 09:43 PM	#14
galuf Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: has been killed by neutral creeps in France Posts: 1,841	Re: Damage Cap Akasha should be able to counterpush late with ultimate imo. __________________

09-04-2010, 10:57 PM	#16
God_ii Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 2,474	Re: Damage Cap any other spells that have dmg caps? __________________ My Signature My Suggestions My Guide to Soloing Roshan Omniknight's Repel [Tweak]Thunder Clap [Visual] Remote Mines [Tweak] Borrowed Time Terrorblade Metamorphisis Leveling Illusions Hold alt and press f4

09-04-2010, 10:57 PM	#17
MassBalance Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,259	Re: Damage Cap illuminate doesn't have a damage cap as far as i am aware, though i could be wrong, before kotl was remade to the current one the cap was like 10,000 or something crazy