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Old 08-31-2010, 11:52 PM   #1
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Default Troll item build?


Hi guys, i just wanted to know your troll item builds? tell me what i should change

this is what i build in order

domi
pms
treads
yasha
bkb
bfly

and i do rosh at mid game & late

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Old 08-31-2010, 11:53 PM   #2
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Vanguard, Battlefury, Vlads, S&Y, Lothar's
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:54 PM   #3
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make a dagger and mantastyle and u kill the spell caster in 3-5s ggg
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:55 PM   #4
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phase dominator bkb buriza
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:59 PM   #5
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I'd rather have crystalys/blink over yasha but the rest of your build is pretty cookie cutter. HotD could be swapped with diffusal if you are against warlock/omni or just want a slow, also could swap with mjoll/deso for farming, pushing, or to really rape low hp heroes.

IIRC phase screws with bash in a bad way.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:04 AM   #6
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Start with QB, Tango and Salve, and Branches.

Usually I rush Treads because the stats are needed, then grab Mask and finish Dom. PMS can be skipped in most games unless you are being heavily harassed, then I rush BKB. After is just situational.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:14 AM   #7
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Sigh so much fail.

Start with quelling for 32% damage in range form
-If you're being harassed a lot, first item should be helm of iron will to stay in lane.
-Phase tends to be best, since you need to be able to chase
-Helm of the dominator
-Orb of venom - one of the few heroes this is really good on. 12% slow in range mode and melee; essential for chasing down heroes. Stacks with life steal
-BKB

Later you can get anything you need. Butterfly, Satanic and Buriza are good choices. Manta is alright, you'll be in melee mode a lot and it's not as useful there.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:19 AM   #8
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^ Pms should be abused on him, also phase doesnt work with bash.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:23 AM   #9
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Very common Troll items.

OT: Your build seems fine. Throw in a Quelling Blade (Melee) and switch to ranged if you're laning. I would say Phase over Treads, since the attack speed goes to waste. Try Lothar's if your team has no invisible heroes or the other team is stupid. (Highly common in pubs.)

You can Roshan at Level 9 ~ 11, I forget, with a dominated Ogre Magi. Have the Ogre Magi use Frost Armor on you and proceed to rape Roshan. Level 11 is the safe side, Level 9 if you're buff / feeling daring.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:44 AM   #10
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It might be good to rush the PMS, Treads and then HotD starting by Helm of Iron will. Once you get any form of lifesteal your Quelling Blade becomes useless... Plus Lifesteal sorta suck early game. Helm+Pms is pretty much enough to jungle forever ^_^
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:54 AM   #11
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about bashing phase, just use blind or ult to cancel it.. seriously, it's good on him.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:59 AM   #12
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You want troll build?

go for tangoes,tangoes, vlads, scepter, arcane boots and don't level berserker rage

if bought, then keep posting "troll smash" on the chat server.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:08 AM   #13
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QB PMS Tango
Get HotD, Yasha, and Aegis after.
Manta Satanic Aegis Bfly Treads BKB
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:25 AM   #14
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2xslippers, tangoes.

Then PMS, Power Threads, Maelstrom, Vlads, Lothar (in that order)

Bash is already done for you with berserker rage
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:10 AM   #15
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Personally, the abuse is nice so i go 2 slippers, QB, and a branch first.
After that it's all pretty situational: PMS,HOIW for survivability, Phase for chasing are the first two options you should go.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:21 PM   #16
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:13 PM   #17
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about bashing phase, just use blind or ult to cancel it.. seriously, it's good on him.
nah too much time spent casting, use ult instead since u need to do that anyway (or just run slightly in front till phase wears off). also, blind is IMO a situational (read: bad) spell that should be at least delayed in most cases

phase is OK, ive gone back to treads -> lothars though since the hp helps so much early on. you need to increase MS, you should rlly get domi fast, after i tend to get yasha, eventually BKB. blink can work surprisingly well (blinking onto a stunned target means almost certain permabash)
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:13 PM   #18
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Vlad->Treads->Diffusal->Blink
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:42 PM   #19
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Once got:

Treads
2x Wraith
Dagger
Dagon
Proceed to buy 'normal' items.

It owned.

My regular build though:

Treads
Vlads
Deso
Lothar's Edge
Aegis
Butterfly
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Old 09-02-2010, 08:07 AM   #20
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My troll item builds?

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Old 09-02-2010, 10:57 AM   #21
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Hi guys, i just wanted to know your troll item builds? tell me what i should change

this is what i build in order

pms
treads
domi
lothars

Orb of venom
yasha


bkb
bfly


and i do rosh at mid game & late

thanks
Fixed.

Pms should be rushed to avoid harassment!

Treads gives you better lane advantage than hotd(from my experience)!

Tangoes and maybe a salve are more than enough for your regen untill you make hotd!

Lothars is there to give your hero what he lacks...initiation ability!

Orb of venom and yasha are optional if you need to chase(generally when your opponents are not that strong)!

Bkb/bfly depend on your opponents!




Keep in mind of course that your item build sometimes depends also on your team's picks(even on pubs)!

Sometimes I don't make lothars at all if my team has enough disables to compensate for the lack of initiation/chasing ability!

(sorry for my bad english)
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Old 09-02-2010, 12:39 PM   #22
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I prefer a buriza or mkb, dominator then satanic (if you have more money), a kelens dagger, butterfly, bkb, then some tp scrolls
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Old 09-02-2010, 04:45 PM   #23
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Yours is the cookie cutter traditional build. I almost never go this build anymore purely because it's so boring and you can do so many hilarious things with a Troll. If you're not bored of the build yet, which you will be eventually, the only correction I'd make is start with a QB and make PMS sooner. It's a laning item, it's almost useless in later stages of the game, although being melee helps somewhat. If you don't need it and go straight HotD, there's no need to finish it afterwards.
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Old 09-02-2010, 04:52 PM   #24
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Hi guys, i just wanted to know your troll item builds? tell me what i should change

this is what i build in order

domi
pms
treads
yasha
bkb
bfly

and i do rosh at mid game & late

thanks
nothing imo, it's nice. I 'd suggest you to try valdimir + diffusal since it works nice.
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^yeah! whats better than a pemabashed enemy? a permabashed enemy without mana!

oh wait.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:12 PM   #26
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MKB > Butterfly on Troll as a luxury item. Butterfly's +60 IAS is wasted on him, you need damage more.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:14 PM   #27
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i like to rush treads too(start with gloves of haste followed by agility boots), but then i usually do this thing where i only level up frenzy, attributes, and my ultimate. and i get a yasha. lifesteal comes after the yasha. i'll get the stunning ability situationally if any emergencies show up, or if i am fighting some heroes that like to get up close and personal often. otherwise, i find ranged troll works great with frenzy, especially when you pack on the agility through treads and a yasha and even attribute bonus. and never forget to spam your ultimate. it not only improves your frenzy and lets you kill rosh easily solo but is fantastic for your allies, and even lets them pick up bashers and have a full team of stunners, even if they're ranged, it's good. and don't get blind until level 22. unless it's some crazy dire emergency which won't happen in 99 percent of games.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:15 PM   #28
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OoV ofc after dominator and pt (pms)

QB is wanted when you don't make dominator in first intention.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:24 PM   #29
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OoV ofc after dominator and pt (pms)

QB is wanted when you don't make dominator in first intention.
what is oov? and why so many qb users? frenzy and gloves of haste works just fine for last hitting, and lets you kill heroes early, too.
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yy expect early kills with troll and with a fast GoH ^^.

OoV: Orb of Venom

QB is his big strengh early on in lane because he can be ranged with a melee QB giving him great outfarming potential.

So imo:
laning > qb or pms (max blind in certain situations, but i think that the passive>bash in any situation because you want to farm faster at any cost, you are not for early nor midgame when nukes keep their potential and you haven't your BKB -yet- because a troll without killing potential BKB or not is like a lion with an Ethereal blade + a CM with Sange late game: ROFL)
woods > stout and cheap stats tangoes to aim for HotD (a bit longer but gold efficient and after the mask/helm you can stay wood all day long without regen items. (melee form can be taken lvls 3, 4, 5 for more bash: less damage taken if you have trouble farming, if you plan to pure woods you can go stats before having helm of iron will but at least max passive)
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:47 AM   #31
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^yeah! whats better than a pemabashed enemy? a permabashed enemy without mana!

oh wait.
People dont get diffusal because it has mana burn they get it for the purge to close the distance and give troll a couple seconds to land a bash, which a blink dagger does better for less gold anyway.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:56 PM   #32
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Tread
wraith/ vlad (see game)
diffuse
bkb
lothar/blink
normally the game end le. if not
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:04 PM   #33
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hadn't thought of oov for troll yet. yeah, that would make his melee form a lot more viable early on. i think the oov and melee combo would be best against agility melee heroes. if the opponent didn't have enough of those, i'd just go my usual.

edit: hey i bet you could use oov melee form on him. you can do that kinda thing with sylla if not mistaken and i don't use those items much on troll since they were mostly defensive items but last i checked you could use them with troll too. you just pick up the item while you're in melee, go to ranged and it's still the melee version of the item.
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:22 PM   #34
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Vanguard, Battlefury, Vlads, S&Y, Lothar's
ha, for some reason that never gets old.

Treads/Phase
Helm
PMS

after that...
BKB - always a must if you are facing nasty disables
Lothars/Blink - if you cant reach your enemy very well

DPS items after that

Troll is kinda cool because with just treads/hotd/pms and his ult he can easily get a kill or two before his first core item.
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