God did not create Universe

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by Nizaris

God create the universe. Period.

I know that I know nothing. Therefore, I seem to know more than you who doesn't know that you know nothing.
Period.

[Nizaris]

ooo i see...

nothing create nothing....

[Schafusmatus]

Originally Posted by Nizaris

ooo i see...

nothing create nothing....

Actually, nothing creates nothing is a logical statement.

Just like 0 = 0.

[Nizaris]

not logic, of course 0 = 0

0 don't generate become 1

0 x 1 = 0

so nothing create nothing

Edit : sorry, actually i don't understand what you mean, do you refuting it or being sarcstic or agree with me?

[Agent Smith]

Originally Posted by Nizaris

God create the universe. Period.

nah he didnt, he's actually our neighbor, we hang out last night, he told us everything, like how jesus resurected as hitler, most atheist are wrong, he's actually a pretty cool guy, he's just shy, thats all. we now know why he doesnt have many friends, its because he talk too much, he told us that snape is going to die in the last part of harry potter, he told us that one of the twins will die.

[Schafusmatus]

Originally Posted by Nizaris

not logic, of course 0 = 0

0 don't generate become 1

0 x 1 = 0

so nothing create nothing

Edit : sorry, actually i don't understand what you mean, do you refuting it or being sarcstic or agree with me?

I thought you were sarcastic. (Because of the dots behind "nothing creates nothing")

Nothing creates nothing. Only something creates something. (Though, if you read about big bang, the theory doesnt claim that the universe was created out of nothingness, as it assumes the physical laws were present)

Also, if only something can create something, God would need a creator too. Or do you want to imply that God is nothing/non-existent?

(It also seems like you are the one saying that nothing[god] created something[everything] ...... but you counter other claims that nothing creates something with the claim that nothing cant create something .... but that would refute your own argument ....)

Either the argument that nothing cant create something applies to God just like to everything else, or it may not apply to anything else ...... making it entirely possible that the universe was created out of nothigness or existed forever just like God does/did in your claim.

[Esper]

Nobody can say whether god exists or not, therefore it makes no sense to talk about this topic. Regarding myself I do not believe in a god or a supreme being, who creates this world. However I cannot be sure about it.

But does it actually matter? Would it really change the way how we live independent of question, whether you believe in him or not?

[DotAplayer552]

Originally Posted by Esper

But does it actually matter? Would it really change the way how we live independent of question, whether you believe in him or not?

Yes, without religion everyone would be logical and reasonable and the world would then be safer and science would be 1000 years more advance.

[DmLucifer]

Religious people

The origin of the universe
-SOMETHING COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF NOTHING
-SOMETHING COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF NOTHING
-SOMETHING COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF NOTHING
-SOMETHING COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF NOTHING
-SOMETHING COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT OF NOTHING
-LALALA, CAN'T HEAR YOU

The origin of God
-He was always there, no problems there lol, he didn't need anything to create him because he was always there lol

Before someone misinterprets, yes, this is a sarcasm

[Amergin's Cola]

Originally Posted by Esper

Nobody can say whether god exists or not, therefore it makes no sense to talk about this topic. Regarding myself I do not believe in a god or a supreme being, who creates this world. However I cannot be sure about it.

But does it actually matter? Would it really change the way how we live independent of question, whether you believe in him or not?

So when you can't answer the question, your answer becomes "this topic is stupid why are we discussing this?"

Sounds like a pretty good cop-out, bro.

[Nizaris]

Creator create creation, no creator for the Creator.

[DmLucifer]

Why is the creator exempt from the neccessity of having something that would create him ?

[Naroblas]

because then he wouldn't be a creator but a mere creature. it's just in the definitions of words.

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by Naroblas

because then he wouldn't be a creator but a mere creature. it's just in the definitions of words.

No, it's not. The definition of creator is that you created something. Even if you were created, you can still be a creator.

[Naroblas]

1) It is the definitions that religions have of these words. It's not debatable.

2) Give me one example of a creature that is also a creator. Being a creator implies that you consciously create and therefore that you know everything about your creation.

Even if you were created, you can still be a creator.

In your imagination you can, but it doesn't exist.

[Idioticus]

Originally Posted by Naroblas

1) It is the definitions that religions have of these words. It's not debatable.

2) Give me one example of a creature that is also a creator. Being a creator implies that you consciously create and therefore that you know everything about your creation.


In your imagination you can, but it doesn't exist.

You can create a thought.

Or are you saying god made those too and we're nothing but sock puppets?

[Schafusmatus]

Originally Posted by Naroblas

1) It is the definitions that religions have of these words. It's not debatable.

2) Give me one example of a creature that is also a creator. Being a creator implies that you consciously create and therefore that you know everything about your creation.


In your imagination you can, but it doesn't exist.

1. The problem with this is, its a belief in itself. Believing that a creator needs no creator because you define it like that.

2. Is there any real example of a creator? What means creating? If you really mean creating energy/matter ..... then we have no example of any creator whatsoever, so your demand is pointless.
Being a creator implies everything you want it to, based on your definition. (The only thing creator definitely implies is "creating something", nothing else, though also dependant on your definition of creating) The question is, how plausible is your definition, and as we have no real examples of creators, it isnt more plausible than any other definition.
Theoretically, a creator could be created by / have another creator, I dont know what you are thinking/believing that contradicts this.

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by Naroblas

1) It is the definitions that religions have of these words. It's not debatable.

/facepalm
Implying you are so incredibly intelligent that you can define words better than a common dictionnary...

Like this, I could define the word "religious" as a synonym for stupid. Therefore, I have "proven" now that someone who is religious cannot be an intelligent person.

U c wat I did thar? Obviously this "proof" is entirely bullshit and isn't correct, and the same goes for yours. Redefining words doesn't proof anything, except for a lack of arguments.

[Naroblas]

You can create a thought.

you can create poop too

as it wasn't obvious enough, your creation needs to be a living creature.

Is there any real example of a creator?

not in this world. earth is just a bunch of creatures eating eachother and mating with eachother.

What means creating?

open a dictionary

The only thing creator definitely implies is "creating something", nothing else

then there is no point in debating if you do not wish to accept my definition as true even for the purpose of debating to prove me wrong. even if your definition was right, then we could be considered creators since we can create machines, etc but then I would say that creating machines is laughable compared to creating living organisms and we would realize that there are different degrees of a creator. a 7 yr old child creating a drawing is not equal to a 50 yr old engineer creating a car and I would end up asking you, who or what is the creator of life, he or it must be a really superior being.

If you really mean creating energy/matter ..... then we have no example of any creator whatsoever, so your demand is pointless.

for you it might be pointless, for me you're just proving my point.

Theoretically, a creator could be created by / have another creator, I dont know what you are thinking/believing that contradicts this.

first you need to find an example of a creator, then you can speculate on his origin.

to create something means you have perfect knowledge of your creation, and I put the emphasis on perfect.

Implying you are so incredibly intelligent that you can define words better than a common dictionnary...

no one is talking about intelligence, I am simply saying that words mean different things in every culture and belief system. if you want to debate with someone belonging to a certain belief system, you have to take in consideration his belief before trying to debunk him just like you have to speak french if you want to debate with a french speaking professor.

now if you want my advice I suggest you stop talking since you're obviously too stupid to understand that.

[damN_Grave]

Originally Posted by Naroblas

In your imagination you can, but it doesn't exist.

And your justification for this is what??