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Old 09-10-2010, 06:27 AM   #1
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According to probably the best objective collection of data to date:
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:32 AM   #2
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Shadow fiend best?
Bristleback worst?
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:34 AM   #3
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I didn't expect Moon Rider on the top 20 o.o
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:35 AM   #4
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Not a very good source imo. TA is the 2nd worst hero in dota and Lycan is the 6th best?

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Old 09-10-2010, 06:36 AM   #5
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I dont see Lion or cm or any of the other broken supporters like es...
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:38 AM   #6
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Default Re: 6.68c Top 20 most imba heroes

Imho a list which doesn't say too much (yet). From what we've recently seen Batrider has to be in the top 10 for sure as example. And he's not even in the top 20.
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:39 AM   #7
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LOL??? Phantom lancer is one of the worst hero???No medusa or drow???and one more thing..no DOOM?????
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:42 AM   #8
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Shadow fiend best?
Bristleback worst?
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Not a very good source imo. TA is the 2nd worst hero in dota and Lycan is the 6th best?

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LOL??? Phantom lancer is one of the worst hero???No medusa or drow???and one more thing..no DOOM?????
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Most of these heroes have stats logged for ~400 games of 6.68c. A lot of players haven't even played in that many games over their life, let alone for one particular hero and one particular version. Your opinion or personal observation does not change the fact that these are recorded stats (ranked on ratio of games won to games lost) from private, inhouse, leaver-free games. If you have data proving otherwise, show it! Who cares about random pubs' misguided opinions...
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:44 AM   #9
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There may be some truth in it, each time i see troll or mort picked in garena they fail miserably even if these heroes arent that bad. (heroes from top 20 are usually picked by better players when these from bottom 20 by bad) imo this doesnt really show what hero is imba.
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:54 AM   #10
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Imho a list which doesn't say too much (yet). From what we've recently seen Batrider has to be in the top 10 for sure as example. And he's not even in the top 20.
Lol XaTrIxX did Batrider pay you for promoting him for president?
Las 10 post you wrote all talk about the greatness of Batman
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:59 AM   #11
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Lol XaTrIxX did Batrider pay you for promoting him for president?
Las 10 post you wrote all talk about the greatness of Batman
I just got amazed by this hero when I saw the replays.

How amazed? In detail:

Watched these 2 replays and analized them.
Since then, played Batrider only. 7 games, 6 wins. DotA-League.com. People aren't used to this yet and it really looks like it also works competitively.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:02 AM   #12
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Default Re: 6.68c Top 20 most imba heroes

THIS IS THE ERA OF BATRIDER
Barathrum era passed as ouroboros and kuroky bara fades away
So bat has to to in top 10 and bara seconded
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:03 AM   #13
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Where is Medusa? Drow? Lucifer?
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:11 AM   #14
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Where is Medusa? Drow? Lucifer?
Gee I don't know, scroll to the next few screens to look? It's based on ratio of game wins to losses, you tell me?
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:23 AM   #15
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dif fails.

these stats dont mean anything. a cm can have no creep kills, no hero kills, a bunch of deaths and still do her job amazingly.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:26 AM   #16
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a couple if things really surprised me on this.

Shadow fiend has the highest creep kill amount over pitlord and techies

Clinkz isn't higher on the list. I know people are still stuck on old builds like orchid and shit instead of soul ring but he really is very imba now.

bristleback, tinker, axe, skeleton king and bane are much lower than i thought. particulary axe

Troll should be higher. Are people picking the wrong teammates for him? in combination with heroes like tiny hes devastating.

techies only played 4 times? really. He's an extremely good pick as the best supporter/pusher hero around.

undying , lycan and batrider seem to be the most effective heroes with the least amount of play.
Undylings low levels of picks seem to me the most surprising. Dont people realize that all his comp level buffs have mostly been restored. Also that soul and teams with arcane boots have allowed his his mana heavy tank style get buffed ever further
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:27 AM   #17
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Default Re: 6.68c Top 20 most imba heroes

This is completely useless, as heroes don't really count in pubs. All that matters is personal skill, since line-ups and lanes always suck and support are hardly used the way they should be.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:27 AM   #18
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dif fails.

these stats dont mean anything. a cm can have no creep kills, no hero kills, a bunch of deaths and still do her job amazingly.
gomer fails. these stats have nothing to do with creep kills, hero kills, or deaths. the rankings are based on the ratio of GAMES WON to GAMES LOST aka HOW WELL THE HERO "DOES THEIR JOB" of helping the team win.

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Old 09-10-2010, 07:28 AM   #19
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Chubby and Dirge in top 20? Wow.
What games are being parsed for this statistics?
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:29 AM   #20
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This is completely useless, as heroes don't really count in pubs. All that matters is personal skill, since line-ups and lanes always suck and support are hardly used the way they should be.
These aren't pub games. They are private, inhouse, leaver-free games and the strategy elements you speak of are actually prevalent.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:40 AM   #21
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These aren't pub games. They are private, inhouse, leaver-free games and the strategy elements you speak of are actually prevalent.
And what league is it then? You know, statistics of pub/inhouses doesn't really prove anything, because, there can be stats found of every other inhouse league, and i'm pretty damn sure that the stats will prove otherwise.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:56 AM   #22
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Default Re: 6.68c Top 20 most imba heroes

Not putting drow/dusa/luci is kind of messy. Not joking.

"6.68c Top 20 most imba heroes"
imba means imbalanced, since the best heroes in that version are not included in that list, i don't know what you mean by saying "imba".

Maybe you did that list with "pubstomping" games lol
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:58 AM   #23
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I don't really trust this.
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These aren't pub games. They are private, inhouse, leaver-free games and the strategy elements you speak of are actually prevalent.
Yeah, obviously high level games pick a lot of Lycan, Far Seer etc. Come on, these sare just ap(em) games. 431 Barathrum picks? Whatever. This is not worth discussing, the skill level will be as low as all other leagues.
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First and foremost, how can a list of heroes proves the top 20 heroes are imbalanced, while the bottom 20 are the least? This is just a compilation of statistics of heroes with the most win/lose ratio from ( insert your source of information here ). Your title is very misleading and you should change it to " 6.68c Heroes with the highest win/lose ratio ".
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Old 09-10-2010, 08:23 AM   #26
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I think the reason why you don't have the likes of Drow, Cm, Dusa, Doom... on top of this list is because the list is based solely on the Win/Lose ratio. Those heroes are picked very frequently but are balanced by the number of time they appear on Winning/Losing team, thus stay in the middle of the table
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Old 09-10-2010, 08:40 AM   #27
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Lol pubs stats? Useless if you ask me. We all know how results in pubs are skewed towards *certain* heroes.
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Old 09-10-2010, 08:46 AM   #28
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Very strange statistics:
- Undying on second place in top
- Tinker, Bane, Viper, PL, Krob in bottom 20?
and Doom on 40th position with 1.03 ratio..

It feels a bit wrong.
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:30 AM   #29
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undying for example has barely more than 100 games. its impossible to make a reliable statistic based on such low amounts of game.

this is more helpful. also remember those statistics arent competitive games. those are just public low to mid+ skilled games
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Lol Dirge second? I think that pretty much sums up why this list is fail. Dirge ≠ OP.

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Very strange statistics:
- Undying on second place in top
- Tinker, Bane, Viper, PL, Krob in bottom 20?
and Doom on 40th position with 1.03 ratio..

It feels a bit wrong.
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nessaj one of the worst heroes
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:48 AM   #35
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LOL slark is only 25
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undying for example has barely more than 100 games. its impossible to make a reliable statistic based on such low amounts of game.

this is more helpful. also remember those statistics arent competitive games. those are just public low to mid+ skilled games
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this, sucks, bigtime
sf is played over 200 more games than dirge, just because they have better win % doesnt mean their better
would you rly pick dirge over sf?(not depending on your team)
and this is a bot, 100 games just decided dirge is the most imba hero! everyone get the corpse! hes super imba shit! do it right now shittin idiot! lol, why didnt you pick dirge!?!?!?!?! NOOOB!!!!!111

serously, just because dirge have highest win ratio doesnt mean he is imba, also, did you know that 500 persons doesnt make the statistics, 500 of more than 10.000.000 people is the ones that makes proof which hero is imba, no, just because 500 people play tilt bots doesnt mean anything
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Tinker and PL bottom 20?
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What kind of "inhouses" are these? lol.
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Probably some Bnet private channel or something.. ._.
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