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Old 09-22-2010, 05:06 AM   #1
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Who would be the best hero to play ganker/roamer early-mid game and switch to carry come mid-late game??

am thinking Slardar is best, with Storm a close second.. Any thoughts??
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maybe chaos knight as well, but probably slardar
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:25 AM   #3
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Who would be the best hero to play ganker/roamer early-mid game and switch to carry come mid-late game??

am thinking Slardar is best, with Storm a close second.. Any thoughts??
thats how i play PL most of the times in unorganized matches. Gank early/farm mid/carry late, that how i play him

Storm definitely fits your description perfectly.
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:39 AM   #6
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maybe chaos knight as well, but probably slardar
Can't believe I didn't think of Nessaj.. probably because

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IMO, SF isn't really that great of a ganker.. his strenghts lie in his lane control and superb mid-game DPS.

I'm looking for heroes that can actually go support the first half of a game, and still be an uber-dps hero during endgame.
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Throw Balanar, skeleton king, tidehunter, rexxar, barathrum, viper, riki, venom in also

edit: support? or ganker/roamer? at early. You confused me
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Support. Into Semi-Carry. Right.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:04 AM   #9
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:41 AM   #10
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Uhh.. Lots. No single best semi-carry but I'll put Sven on the list.
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IMO, SF isn't really that great of a ganker.. his strenghts lie in his lane control and superb mid-game DPS.

I'm looking for heroes that can actually go support the first half of a game, and still be an uber-dps hero during endgame.
SF is a unfortunately a great ganker, a great carry, and a great soloer. And he can out dps most hard carrys by farming up about 10x faster.

Try Luna. Treads, Urn, Vanguard/Vitbooster. Support early, use eclipse whenever possible. Start farming after the 20 min mark. Actually works. Farming after lvl12-13 with her is fast because of glaives.
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Don't forget necro. Min 20-25 treads soul ring vang meka is destructive
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best semi carry captain and gank and carry is Legy. <3 <3 <3
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:10 AM   #15
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:13 AM   #16
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Only hero I see fit to fall into this category is PotM and Sven.

In this case, I'd probably say Sven IMO.
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Alchemist, PoTM, Sven, Venge, Visage and CoCo
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:15 AM   #18
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Venge maybe?
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:24 AM   #19
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Old 09-22-2010, 12:46 PM   #20
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Old 09-22-2010, 12:50 PM   #21
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Imma gonna put a word in for OD. He's not the best, but when fed, he's a fucking scary-as-shit semi carry.

But I think Sladar is a good candidate for the best.
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Old 09-22-2010, 12:54 PM   #22
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He's talking bout semi-carry that came from a ganker/roeamer into a dps'er later

so the heroes that would fit that category are(imo)
-Venge [can semi-carry with deso]
-Slardar [gank mid game then build him into a usual perma-basher build)
-Sven [Blink+Armlet/BKB/MoM then build into Satanic(replace MoM), AC and BoT]
-Veno *WARNING: PUBS ONLY* [roam/lane early then gank mid-game then build into Agha, Shivas, Blink/Lothar then Butterfly]

Also: Storm(derp)
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Storm,tinker,potm,sven,alche,morph,slardar,kka..
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Storm is the master imo.
Windrunner's fun as well, ganking non stop with nice shackle shots/powershots and then later coming up with some maelstorm/deso+hex and dealing nice dps.
I dont really like slardar or Sven because they really need some solid items (dagger) and since they're melle, its probably less likely they will get it.
Kunka is nice as well, but isn't that powerful very late game.
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am thinking Slardar is best, with Storm a close second.. Any thoughts??
First thought ; Storm is not a semi-carry.
Slardar is better played as an allround ganker imo, anti-invis, good chasing capabilities, nice stun with slow. His bash is imo his only carry-ish thing.
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^just wondering, what is storm then?
I almost always play him as a ganker early game, and then an initiator/semi carry later. I also farm like a fair bit, for bkb/linkens +treads at around 20 min.
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OP you should make a poll. My vote would go for Slardar/Storm.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:54 PM   #31
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Storm is the best semi-carry. I don't think he's in the category with roamers though...
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Anyone can be a semi-carry, it's a matter of items.

Heck, a cm could semi-carry, if she has items that aren't as useful late-game.

Best? There isn't a best semi-carry, but there are good ones like Storm and SF.
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lemme just toss WR onto the list of semi-carries
no mentions of her yet
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Maybe not the best, but my favorite semicarry is beermaster.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:57 AM   #35
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Sven and alch. ranged stuns early game with deadly damage late.

And for the last time VS is NOT a semicarry. Her ultimate is practically a self-sacrifice skill. And all her other moves benefit her team as much as herself.
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Slardar can only semi-carry with significant farm.

IMO Semi-carries such as SF, Storm, DK, CK and QoP are the best because they don't need significant farm to semi-carry.

SF needs only Treads/BoT Dagger BKB Bottle
Storm: Linkens Treads Nulls Bottle
DK: Armlet HotD Treads/Phase BKB (He does need level 3 ult though)
CK: Bottle Treads Armlet BKB
QoP: Linkens Bottle Treads Nulls/Bracers/Urn

Best of them however would probably be SF and CK.
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Sven, end of story. Go watch how most pros play him. He support/ganks/roam early most of the time and end up semi-carrying with a dagger and BKB lategame. Sven falls perfectly in your category of "roam early, but still carry lategame". PotM can do it semi, also Slardar(I won't do it with him). Then there is Alchemist. I'd say he is next in line to Sven. Roams early game most of the time and then suddenly catch-up with farm with his amazing gold-gain-ability(goblin's greed). Ends up with a Radiance, Vanguard, BKB, dagger most of the times.

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IMO having your semi-carry (ie you main carry in most comp. games) roam is kind of a risky play, cause if he doesn't get a decent return you'll be fairly far behind...

As for the question, I'd go Sven for a roaming semi-carry. Storm is way too mana intensive to roam early and Slar, as somebody already said, needs a pretty significant farm.

Also... Sf roaming lolwut? No disable + great lane control, much much better for him to stay in a lane.
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OD, slardar, storm, sf are not semi carries. They are all full carries who gank. Just because your carry ganks does not turn them into semi carries. a drow who ganks a few times with lion at level 8-11 is still a full blown carry.
Venge is not a semi-carry. If she has to carry the game your 4 teammates have failed.

Sven and alchemist are incredible semi carries. I would add tiny and Venomancer. Not because venom does DPS but because if he makes a scepter and hits 4-5 heroes at the start of a major battle he will win you the game. ES for the same reason.
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WTF? Shadow Fiend? what are you people saying.The guy askes for support/ROAMING early game that can transform into a carry lateron. If you roam with a SF from lvl 1 then you need to quit DotA as soon as possible. That thing has insane lane-control and needs all the farm early game, after that, yes, around level 9 when you are maxed with Shadow Razes, maxed with +60 damage from souls, and have your ulti, then yes, he becomes the most dangerous hero on the map. Then he becomes the ultimate ganker/killer. NOT FROM START! Also Storm, wtf? He also needs the levels/farm before he becomes useful. He can become one of the best gankers once he hits level 6, but remember, he NEEDS that first. So NO, he can't roam early. Tinker also requires fast leveling to be lvl 8 as quick as possible to start ganking. Only he can be a bigger threat than SF at lvl 8-9 that has carry potential. Yeah a lvl 8 Lion/Rhasta is to be feared, but they are not lategame. Then ES is probably your best lvl 1 roamer, but he has no lategame.

For the guy that started this topic... Most people misunderstood your question(I hope), or I did. What I think you asked was: What hero can roam from the start(lvl 1), gank enemies in different lanes from lvl 1-8 and then transform into a lategame threat. Well the answer is Sven/Alch and then something like PotM/Veno/Venge, Although a roaming PotM isn't that bigga threat cause she can miss her arrow, also Veno and Venge is better suited to stay gankers/support throughout the game, but like most agility heroes, they can carry.

...Sven/Alch (I guess wind/slardar can also do that, but :/, rather farm with them)
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