[overhaul] Skills rescales

ItIsNight · 09-27-2010, 01:07 PM

Hero skills

Items

Most of changes are cosmetic, but some affects gameplay. Most of gameplay-changes allows heroes to have better earlygame or buff/nerf their skills at higer levels.

SuperFizzBoy · 09-27-2010, 02:21 PM

First, well done on opening this thread and locating bad-scaled skills

Earthshaker: T-Up on 25/55/85/115 damage (or +5 to all levels) and 0.6/0.9/1.2/1.5 stun duration

Panda: T-Up. How about 110/175/240/305 (+65)? T-Up on the mana rescale anyway.

Magnataur: T-Up. I really like it!

Skeleton King: T-Down. Corrent one scaled pefectly with 0.5 factor per level.

Jugger: T-Up. Why not ?

Troll: T-Up on numbers but this skill needs an overhaul.

Lanaya: http://www.playdota.com/forums/82013/tweak-meld/. T-Null.

Riki: T-Up on Blink Strike. T-Down on Backstab since he got a huge starting agility buff last version.

Lich: T-Up. Thanks for the credit

! Now, i know i've wrote on that thread

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aoe damage - 70/100/130/160 (70+30x)
target damage - 55/90/125/160 (55+35x)

I think slight AoE buff will make it better so i suggest: 80/110/140/170 AoE and 45/80/115/150 target damage (i'll update my thread also

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Bloodseeker: T-Up. Why not ?

FizzBoy.

ItIsNight · 09-27-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFizzBoy

Earthshaker: T-Up on 25/55/85/115 damage (or +5 to all levels) and 0.6/0.9/1.2/1.5 stun duration

you put 1st level of aftershock for +25 damage to close-fissure and 0.6 stun for enchant totem. I think it's nothing for skill-point, but it need to take 4 level. And i prefer to buff 1-3 levels to make it realy good.

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Originally Posted by SuperFizzBoy

Panda: T-Up. How about 110/175/240/305 (+65)?

slow scales too and skill become stronger of slow 1st, so i prefer to up damage of close-range skill.

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Originally Posted by SuperFizzBoy

Skeleton King: T-Down. Corrent one scaled pefectly with 0.5 factor per level.

current one have 1.25 multiplier at 1st level = 15% to deal 25% bonus damage, it's 0.15*0.25 = +3.75% to dps. So it scales +3.75% / +11.25% / + 18.75% / +26.25% (3.75+7.5+7.5+7.5%) to dps. I prefer better scaling and much useful 1st levels.

Gheizen64 · 09-27-2010, 06:38 PM

I did a similar topic some time ago, but for a different reason: i wanted to locate issues in the gameplay, removing some "must level" or some "must take only 1 level" skills to open up more possible skillbuilds (see recent change on desolate, dispersion, repel, etc...).
Yours is mostly a cosmetic change, with little to no implications on the gameplay on the heroes, bar some exception, like the criticals rescale (ah and btw, critical change can scale only by 5%, so your scaling on bladedance isn't linear at all)or the skewer rescale.

ItIsNight · 09-27-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

I did a similar topic some time ago, but for a different reason: i wanted to locate issues in the gameplay, removing some "must level" or some "must take only 1 level" skills to open up more possible skillbuilds (see recent change on desolate, dispersion, repel, etc...).

It's right. More skillbuild = more interest play. But some skillz must maxed or will be useless and some of skillz scales bad - this topic is for them. xD

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Gheizen64 · 09-27-2010, 07:18 PM

Lol, well played. Good luck with the suggestion. Most of those double scaling skills (crit, backstab, etc) really need a rescale.

EDIT: your proposed blade dance change nothing except level 3 of the skill (25->30%). Try 20-25-30-35 instead. A 10% increase on critical chance on level 1 isn't gamebreaking early game anyway.

Saguine · 12-26-2010, 08:57 PM

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Just kill urself fucking skillrescaling-idea-men, coz ur ideas so hardfucked up!!!

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Dynes · 12-26-2010, 10:03 PM

Another of these, reT-.-D.

KoR.zERo.DVL · 12-27-2010, 04:39 AM

All t-up except SK and and lanaya

Extremator · 07-09-2012, 12:17 PM

Flame13 · 07-09-2012, 01:51 PM

T-down on everything but Lich...and maybe T-up clarity if gold cost remains 50....clarity needs a buff...

BorisPeace- · 07-09-2012, 05:50 PM

GJ. Are you studying Necromancy at the university?

Flame13 · 07-09-2012, 07:10 PM

I've seen a thread like this once but logical and mathematicaly scaling skills are not really good...it is more versatile with current. You can trade mana for damage or use point on other skill if you have low mana and all...

09-27-2010, 06:38 PM	#4
Gheizen64 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,465	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales I did a similar topic some time ago, but for a different reason: i wanted to locate issues in the gameplay, removing some "must level" or some "must take only 1 level" skills to open up more possible skillbuilds (see recent change on desolate, dispersion, repel, etc...). Yours is mostly a cosmetic change, with little to no implications on the gameplay on the heroes, bar some exception, like the criticals rescale (ah and btw, critical change can scale only by 5%, so your scaling on bladedance isn't linear at all)or the skewer rescale. __________________ G.ZZZ on dota2. Look my reorganization of the weapon shop for: • Organized shop layout (ala Sena the Accesorizer) • More unique +dmg items (BoA ,Broadswoard & Claymore) • Items and recipes are more logical and intuitive • Hammer is the old Javelin (the %chance fits naturaly in Basher + Mael) • Desolator is now made from swords and more!

09-27-2010, 07:18 PM	#6
Gheizen64 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,465	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales Lol, well played. Good luck with the suggestion. Most of those double scaling skills (crit, backstab, etc) really need a rescale. EDIT: your proposed blade dance change nothing except level 3 of the skill (25->30%). Try 20-25-30-35 instead. A 10% increase on critical chance on level 1 isn't gamebreaking early game anyway. __________________ G.ZZZ on dota2. Look my reorganization of the weapon shop for: • Organized shop layout (ala Sena the Accesorizer) • More unique +dmg items (BoA ,Broadswoard & Claymore) • Items and recipes are more logical and intuitive • Hammer is the old Javelin (the %chance fits naturaly in Basher + Mael) • Desolator is now made from swords and more!

12-26-2010, 10:03 PM	#8
Dynes Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 3,865 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales Another of these, reT-.-D. __________________ Dynes: I don't believe you. /care ~~My suggestions on my blog.~~ I'll hand it over to DotA 2... for now.

12-27-2010, 04:39 AM	#9
KoR.zERo.DVL Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: The KoR House Posts: 977	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales All t-up except SK and and lanaya __________________ Snrs.zR.sntS(garena account) <-- I AM PROUD TO BE PINOY. AND IF YOU HATE PINOY, t(-.-t) Don't Judge us when your country ain't no better

07-09-2012, 01:51 PM	#11
Flame13 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eternal flames of damnation Posts: 3,037	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales T-down on everything but Lich...and maybe T-up clarity if gold cost remains 50....clarity needs a buff... __________________ Gallery of heroes

07-09-2012, 05:50 PM	#12
BorisPeace- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: GetUnitLoc(udg_Boris) Posts: 2,743 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales GJ. Are you studying Necromancy at the university? __________________ ----------------------------------------------- Turkish DotA Map Translation Leader Dota 2 Turkish Translation Mod Suggestions Mod Wannabe o.o

07-09-2012, 07:10 PM	#13
Flame13 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eternal flames of damnation Posts: 3,037	Re: [overhaul] Skills rescales I've seen a thread like this once but logical and mathematicaly scaling skills are not really good...it is more versatile with current. You can trade mana for damage or use point on other skill if you have low mana and all... __________________ Gallery of heroes