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Old 09-28-2010, 06:12 AM   #1
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Default [REMAKE] Alchemist


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Alchemist
Razzil Darkbrew



__Strength___Agility__Intelligence_

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_22 + 2.5__11 + 1.2__21 + 1.8_


Create PotionAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Instant
Ability Hotkey : C

____________________Razzil creates a special potion for him.


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
1257 secondsN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 2 potions

Notes:
  • Automatically learned from the start
  • Number of potions stored are able to be seen in the bottom right of the icon like some items

Acid SprayAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Area
Ability Hotkey : D

____________________Sprays high-pressure acid across a target area. Hostile units who step across the contaminated terrain take mixed damage per second and have their armor reduced.


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
113522 seconds900625/600*16 seconds8 damage/second, reduces armor by 3
213522 seconds900625/600*16 seconds16 damage/second, reduces armor by 4
313522 seconds900625/600*16 seconds24 damage/second, reduces armor by 5
413522 seconds900625/600*16 seconds32 damage/second, reduces armor by 6

Notes:
  • Damage type: mixed
  • Need 1 potion on cast
  • This ability can hit magic immune units.
  • The actual AoE of this ability is significantly larger than the visual effect.
  • * - Armor aura AoE/Damage AoE

Unstable ConcoctionAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Enemy Hero
Ability Hotkey : E

____________________Razzil brews up an unstable concoction that he can throw at an enemy hero, to stun and deal damage. Razzil can brew for up to 5 seconds, each second increases the potency of the concoction. After the 5 seconds, there is a small buffer window. If Razzil does not throw the concoction soon after it will blow up and Razzil himself will suffer as if he was hit by the concoction. Concoction can blow up mid air if fired too late.


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
110016 seconds775N/A5 secondsUp to 120 damage and 2.5 second stun
210016 seconds775N/A5 secondsUp to 190 damage and 3 second stun
310016 seconds775N/A5 secondsUp to 260 damage and 3.5 second stun
410016 seconds775N/A5 secondsUp to 330 damage and 4 second stun

Notes:
  • Damage type: physical
  • Need 1 potion on cast
  • While brewing the concoction, Alchemist can still move around and take action. He will flash red while the concoction is brewing
  • A timer above Alchemist's head will indicate the remaining brew time on the concoction
  • Before launching the concoction, it will blow up if channeled for more than 7 seconds, checking at 0.5 second intervals (allows up to 7.5 seconds brew time)
  • After launching the concoction, it will blow up 7 seconds after brewing started, checking every 0.02 seconds
  • The concoction moves at 900 speed, and provides 400/400 sight range
  • If the concoction explodes mid air, it will affect an enemy unit within 175 AoE around its positio
  • Unstable Concoction is blocked by Linken's Sphere

Goblin's GreedAbility Type: Passive
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey : G

____________________The greedy Goblin able to store more potion than he could before. Also, learns ability to sell potion to earn gold


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
1N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 3 potions. Can sell a potion for 10 gold
2N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 4 potions. Can sell a potion for 15 gold
3N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 5 potions. Can sell a potion for 20 gold
4N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 6 potions. Can sell a potion for 25 gold

Notes:
  • Get Sell Potion as subskill
Sell PotionAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Instant
Ability Hotkey : T

____________________Sell one of the potion to earn money


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
1010 secondsN/AN/AN/ASell the potion for gold

Notes:
  • Learn automatically when Goblin's Greed is learned
Chemical RageAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Instant
Ability Hotkey : R

____________________The Alchemist causes his Ogre to enter a chemically induced rage reducing base attack cooldown and increasing hitpoints and regeneration. Slightly improves movement speed.


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
16045 secondsN/AN/A25 seconds1.45 BAT, 350 Bonus HP, and 20 HP/4 Mana Bonus Regeneration, +30 MS
28045 secondsN/AN/A25 seconds1.35 BAT, 700 Bonus HP, and 40 HP/8 Mana Bonus Regeneration, +40 MS
310045 secondsN/AN/A25 seconds1.25 BAT, 1050 Bonus HP, and 60 HP/12 Mana Bonus Regeneration, +50 MS

Notes:
  • Need 1 potion on cast
  • Get maximum amount of potions at the start of the duration
  • Has a 0.35 second transformation time.
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Old 09-28-2010, 06:15 AM   #2
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

Question: Why?
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:07 AM   #3
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

He already was seen on competitive becuase of his stun,farming skills and -armor.

This would require some more potions to spam his skill and so this is a no.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:10 AM   #4
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

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I always thought Goblin's Greed is rather out of place for Alchemist. This will make Goblin's Greed more useful but retaining it's money making side

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He already was seen on competitive becuase of his stun,farming skills and -armor.

This would require some more potions to spam his skill and so this is a no.
Did I changed his stun, farming skill, and -armor??? No at all.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:13 AM   #5
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

Goblin becomes some imba AFK at home farming potions per 10 seconds and comes out to rape your shit after 50 sold potions. However, total gold earned by afk-ing and potential gold earned by last hitting is still very large, I T-UP this concept.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:42 AM   #6
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

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Goblin becomes some imba AFK at home farming potions per 10 seconds and comes out to rape your shit after 50 sold potions. However, total gold earned by afk-ing and potential gold earned by last hitting is still very large...
Sorry Mirana, you get my t-d for this one. (:
That's ~300 gold/min on bot level.

Also on the contained concept of the innate ability.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:56 AM   #7
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

I have got to agree with Dynes with this one Mr. NoThInG sIr, ThE aMoUnT oF gOlD tHiS aBiLiTy GiVeS iS wAy AbOvE tHe CuRrEnT's QuOtA.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:14 AM   #8
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

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Did I changed his stun, farming skill, and -armor??? No at all.
I didn't refer that but I was stating on why Alchemist is now picked/seen on competitive.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:53 AM   #9
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

i have to agree on the disagree ^___^ I think this remake is unfitting and imbalanced
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:13 AM   #10
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

Practice Makes PerfectAbility Type: Passive
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey : G

____________________By brewing so many potions, Razzil becomes an expert in creating potions quicker and storing them.


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
1N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 4 potions. Lowers Create Potion Cooldown by 2 seconds
2N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 6 potions. Lowers Cooldown by 3 seconds
3N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 8 potions. Lowers Cooldown by 4 seconds
4N/AN/AN/AN/AN/ACan store upto 10 potions. Lowers Cooldown by 5 seconds

Notes:
  • Get Sell Potion as subskill
Sell PotionAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Instant
Ability Hotkey : T

__________[img]3SkillIcon[/img]__________Sell one of the potion to earn money


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 ManaCooldownC. RangeAoEDurationEffects
1010 secondsN/AN/AN/ASell for 10 gold
2010 secondsN/AN/AN/ASell for 10 gold
3010 secondsN/AN/AN/ASell for 10 gold
4010 secondsN/AN/AN/ASell for 10 gold

Notes:
  • Learn automatically when Goblin's Greed is learned
How about this as a change? Fast CD and a lot more potions but sells for a lot less, but because you brew them so fast that it doesn't truely matter if you sell them.
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:17 AM   #11
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

w8 what do potions do? are they like clarities or somethin?

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Old 09-28-2010, 11:38 AM   #12
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

I believe theyre just for reducing mana cost of spells, you make some and early on cuz apparently you cant cast spells without them. BTW, the combo with ulti is imba! 6 Potions in one cast, that's 300 gold right thar!
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:47 AM   #13
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

Why so much hate on Alchemist? Too many nerf's to him now
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:48 AM   #14
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

^ The potions are for casting spells, they are required to cast your spells. It is just a slight twist to the way that Alche works. The mana cost is slightly lowered by if you add 25 to 135 you get 160. So they don't really change at all. It is basically to change goblin's greed cause it's a dull spell.
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Old 09-28-2010, 12:16 PM   #15
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

@xKilXlerx: If you look at it closer, you will see that this is not a nerf, its a huge buff. Not only does it drastically reduce the mana cost of all your spells, given you have prepared all the potions before hand and do not sell them all to profit, that's also the other OP part of it, the profit thing.
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

so its like an ammunition. T.up from me since IMO alchemists should has potions.

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Old 09-29-2010, 05:17 AM   #17
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

Ok, based on several opinions, balanced the remake.

Oh, and for potion, it will be like Necromastery. You won't got any item, etc. And yes carloparis14, it's like ammunition (and alchemist => potion is one of side-reason why I purpose this remake)

And for people who didn't notice it b4, you can see that I lowered starting intelligence (coz it'll cost relatively less mana), lowered starting str but buffed str growth (it was strange for STR hero to have 1.8 str growth)

@BadApple : There's cd on Sell Potion as well.... Thus, it needs 60 second ++ to make such amount of golds
  • Reduce the price of the Potion for balance
  • Reduced the CD of Create Potion a bit
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

^Oh, I didnt see that earlier sorry, I thought it was just an upgrade to create potion. Well since the issue with selling has been resolved I like it, significantly reduces the mana cost of his spells meaning you'll be able to spam those spells more early game. T-up!
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:16 AM   #19
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^Oh, I didnt see that earlier sorry, I thought it was just an upgrade to create potion. Well since the issue with selling has been resolved I like it, significantly reduces the mana cost of his spells meaning you'll be able to spam those spells more early game. T-up!
Err... It's not that significant actually coz you have 25 mana cost at potion, the total mana cost is same. But, considering you have mana regen, able to make it in fountain, etc. the relative mana cost will be lower than current
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:30 AM   #20
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Default Re: [REMAKE] Alchemist

That's what I said

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@xKilXlerx: If you look at it closer, you will see that this is not a nerf, its a huge buff. Not only does it drastically reduce the mana cost of all your spells, given you have prepared all the potions before hand and do not sell them all to profit, that's also the other OP part of it, the profit thing.
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