[IMPLEMENTED][Tweak] Nightmare

Corest · 10-02-2010, 07:42 PM

So I've noticed a couple "problems" with Nightmare

First, since it is HP removal, it is not considered as direct damage to the target unit, therefore, Bane can cast Nightmare on any unit and that unit will still be able to use or won't stop Clarity Potion or Salve from working (which I think is wrong, don't know about you guys)

Another one is: -disablehelp does not work with Nightmare (which in pubs - full of assholes - it is prettyyyyyyyyyy annoying)

So what I suggest:

1st - Make Clarity/Salve stop working on a unit with Nightmare
2nd - Enable -disablehelp to ACTUALLY disablehelp from Nightmare

Thank you

(Recently Implemented - Thank you all for the support, and thanks to Icefrog for fixing this minor - thou important - problem(s))

Dynes · 10-02-2010, 08:27 PM

T-D on the first, except on enemies.
T-up on the second, saves missclicks as well...

Corest · 10-02-2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynes

T-D on the first, except on enemies.
T-up on the second, saves missclicks as well...

It's extremely annoying when an enemy has 40 hitpoints left and uses healing salve, you run and apply Nightmare on him... and there you go, you saved your own enemy since now he is invulnerable for 1-2 seconds and is still healing his own life points (even thou you "damage" him)

Linism · 10-02-2010, 08:46 PM

T-Up to both.

The second is a no-brainer actually, IceFrog must've missed it or something.

Corest · 10-02-2010, 08:55 PM

Thanks for the support!

Dynes · 10-02-2010, 10:05 PM

If you read it, it means I t-d for disabling Clarity/Salve on Allies.

Cackata@ · 10-02-2010, 10:13 PM

T-UP on both i didn't know that nightmare dont stop salve/clarity.

Cheaterhater · 10-02-2010, 10:15 PM

T-Up to both.

dominator02 · 10-03-2010, 01:14 AM

both except for counting allies also to disable non-combat consumable items.

dsbn · 10-03-2010, 01:29 AM

I enjoy the fact that you can deny allies with Nightmare. Aside from that, T-up.

Quiesce · 10-03-2010, 02:09 AM

I am tupping so much man, it feels so good

Monsterlord · 10-03-2010, 07:07 AM

Wouldn't -disablehelp screw with the passing on mechanic?

Cheaterhater · 10-03-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

Wouldn't -disablehelp screw with the passing on mechanic?

Not necessarily. Of course it has to be defined what will happen when an allied unit with -disablehelp attacks an already Nightmared unit. But since it's the attacking player's fault, Nightmare should be passed to him even if he has -disablehelp on.
If the check for -disablehelp is only done when Atropos casts Nightmare (and not when the dummy unit which "passes" Nightmare casts it), it will cause the behaviour I mentioned above.

Corest · 10-03-2010, 03:29 PM

Thanks for the comments.
Nightmare is one of the most f-up spells in game so let's give it some fixes

FreeBorN · 10-03-2010, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corest

Thanks for the comments.
Nightmare is one of the most f-up spells in game so let's give it some fixes

please tell me what disable-help would do!

T-UP for consumable canceling!

Corest · 10-03-2010, 08:24 PM

-disablehelp would disable it on the player that typed the command, so you wouldn't be able to target it/be targeted by nightmare

SpiderPig · 10-03-2010, 08:53 PM

t-up

Corest · 10-04-2010, 11:02 AM

Thanks!

Corest · 10-08-2010, 02:59 PM

bump

Bad Apple · 10-09-2010, 03:54 AM

T-up!

10-02-2010, 07:42 PM	#1
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	[IMPLEMENTED][Tweak] Nightmare So I've noticed a couple "problems" with Nightmare First, since it is HP removal, it is not considered as direct damage to the target unit, therefore, Bane can cast Nightmare on any unit and that unit will still be able to use or won't stop Clarity Potion or Salve from working (which I think is wrong, don't know about you guys) Another one is: -disablehelp does not work with Nightmare (which in pubs - full of assholes - it is prettyyyyyyyyyy annoying) So what I suggest: 1st - Make Clarity/Salve stop working on a unit with Nightmare 2nd - Enable -disablehelp to ACTUALLY disablehelp from Nightmare Thank you (Recently Implemented - Thank you all for the support, and thanks to Icefrog for fixing this minor - thou important - problem(s)) __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

Last edited by Corest; 10-12-2010 at 03:48 PM.

10-02-2010, 08:27 PM	#2
Dynes Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 3,865 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare T-D on the first, except on enemies. T-up on the second, saves missclicks as well... __________________ Dynes: I don't believe you. /care ~~My suggestions on my blog.~~ I'll hand it over to DotA 2... for now.

10-02-2010, 08:46 PM	#4
Linism Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: location, location! Posts: 2,832	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare T-Up to both. The second is a no-brainer actually, IceFrog must've missed it or something. __________________

10-02-2010, 08:55 PM	#5
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare Thanks for the support! __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-02-2010, 10:05 PM	#6
Dynes Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 3,865 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare If you read it, it means I t-d for disabling Clarity/Salve on Allies. __________________ Dynes: I don't believe you. /care ~~My suggestions on my blog.~~ I'll hand it over to DotA 2... for now.

10-02-2010, 10:13 PM	#7
Cackata@ Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 71	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare T-UP on both i didn't know that nightmare dont stop salve/clarity.

10-02-2010, 10:15 PM	#8
Cheaterhater Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: GetUnitLoc(udg_Cheaterhater) Posts: 1,717 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare T-Up to both. __________________ Review my suggestions: Buff Maelstrom & Mjollnir by making them stackable Fix Black Hole to silence items properly (there is a way!) You can check my Portfolio out for some DotA MS Paint art.

10-03-2010, 01:14 AM	#9
dominator02 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 8,087	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare both except for counting allies also to disable non-combat consumable items. __________________

10-03-2010, 01:29 AM	#10
dsbn Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: PH Posts: 861	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare I enjoy the fact that you can deny allies with Nightmare. Aside from that, T-up. __________________ Suggestions Guides Fanfics The Legend of The Magnum Opus - Reviews Are Welcomed

10-03-2010, 02:09 AM	#11
Quiesce Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,116 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare I am tupping so much man, it feels so good __________________

10-03-2010, 07:07 AM	#12
Monsterlord Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,835	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare Wouldn't -disablehelp screw with the passing on mechanic?

10-03-2010, 03:29 PM	#14
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare Thanks for the comments. Nightmare is one of the most f-up spells in game so let's give it some fixes __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-03-2010, 08:24 PM	#16
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare -disablehelp would disable it on the player that typed the command, so you wouldn't be able to target it/be targeted by nightmare __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-03-2010, 08:53 PM	#17
SpiderPig Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In my home. Posts: 3,806	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare t-up

10-04-2010, 11:02 AM	#18
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare Thanks! __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-08-2010, 02:59 PM	#19
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 810	Re: [Tweak] Nightmare bump __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-09-2010, 03:54 AM	#20
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