[REBALANCE] Enchantress

NoThlnG · 10-03-2010, 05:44 AM

Enchantress has several problems right now.

1. Ridiculous stats and stat gains. 16 + 1.0 is simply absurd STR and STR gain. Enchantress lvl 25 have lower STR then Treant lvl 4. Also, her starting INT is too low as well.

2. Too powerful 3rd and ultimate skill. 3rd skill gives 900 potential heals which is more than twice of Purification. Also, ultimate deals too much damage (and it's pure)

For current skill, please refer here

Changes are in green

Enchantress
Aiushtha

__Strength__

_Agility_

_Intelligence_

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_16 + 1.7_

_19 + 1.8_

_21 + 2.2_

UntouchableAbility Type: Passive
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey : N (Complete Remake)

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Enchantress is imbued with power of nature, making users hard to target magics to her. Get chance to evade any targeted spells. Additionally, grants Enchantress additional armor

__	____.	________.	_______.	___.	_______.	__________________________.
	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	10% chance to evade targeted spells. +2 armor
2	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	15% chance to evade targeted spells. +3 armor
3	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	20% chance to evade targeted spells. +4 armor
4	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	25% chance to evade targeted spells. +5 armor

Notes:

Only hero target spells can be evaded. Point target and area target spells doesn't trigger the skill.
Damage activates when the spell cast on Aiushtha begins its effect.
Only activates if the caster is a hero unit.
Does not work against arrow effects.

The biggest counter to Enchantress is disable because disable makes NA can't activated on the right time. This skill will reduce the change of being disabled thus make Enchantress survives for longer time
+ armor is given to make Enchantress not so weak against physical attacks

EnchantAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Enemy Unit
Ability Hotkey : C (No Change)

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Brings target unit under control of Aiushtha. If the unit cannot be converted, it will be slowed instead.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	65	30 seconds	700	N/A	5.5 seconds	Possession (Creep), 20% slow (Hero)
2	65	25 seconds	700	N/A	5.5 seconds	Possession (Creep), 30% slow (Hero)
3	65	20 seconds	700	N/A	5.5 seconds	Possession (Creep), 40% slow (Hero)
4	65	15 seconds	700	N/A	5.5 seconds	Possession (Creep), 50% slow (Hero)

Notes:

Converted creeps last for 80 seconds.
Illusions can be converted.

Nature's AttendantsAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Instant
Ability Hotkey : R

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Releases a swarm of wisps to heal nearby allies in a 400 radius. Each wisp lasts 10 seconds. Can heal a target only once per 0.5 second.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	120	25 seconds	N/A	400	10 seconds	Releases 3 wisps. Heals 10 hp/second
2	130	25 seconds	N/A	400	10 seconds	Releases 4 wisps. Heals 15 hp/second
3	140	25 seconds	N/A	400	10 seconds	Releases 5 wisps. Heals 20 hp/second
4	150	25 seconds	N/A	400	10 seconds	Releases 6 wisps. Heals 25 hp/second

Notes:

Units with full HP will not be selected for the heal.
Can heal units with magic immunity.

Reduce the power of heal to single target from 300/500/700/900 to 200/300/400/500
Increases the power of area heal since it can heals upto 3 units by 500 hp (total 1500, which is 600 more from old 900)
Increases the AoE to maximize it's area healing power
Reduced the mana cost at later lvl

ImpetusAbility Type: Active
Targeting Type: Enemy Unit
Ability Hotkey : T

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Gives strength to the Enchantress' attacks, causing them to deal greater damage the further away the target is.

__	____.	________.	_______.	___.	_______.	__________________________.
	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	55	0 seconds	550	N/A	N/A	Deals 20 + 10% of the distance in damage, with a 270 damage cap
2	55	0 seconds	550	N/A	N/A	Deals 30 + 15% of the distance in damage, with a 405 damage cap
3	55	0 seconds	550	N/A	N/A	Deals 40 + 20% of the distance in damage, with a 540 damage cap

Notes:

Damage type: pure
The maximum damage is dealt at 2500 range. If this distance is exceeded, no bonus damage will be dealt.
You can target magic immune units with this skill, but the bonus damage will not be applied.
Distance to target is measured when projectile hits, meaning that running away from the target after using Impetus will increase the damage dealt.

Incresed the power of Impetus at close range while nerf the long range damage (almost same at 550 range) to make it less imbalanced
Changed the damage cap according to notes

Dynes · 10-03-2010, 05:55 AM

Its "Aiushta", not "Razor".

These are slight changes to her, except that you weakened the solo heal and made her evade spells (+armor). Not sure if its the way to go since she's made to go on numbers.

cp14 · 10-03-2010, 06:54 AM

I like the impetus remake. Thats it

there is womething wrong with the tables now

BooBoox3 · 10-03-2010, 06:57 AM

I like the suggested untouchable but I don't like the suggested NA and impetus.

Monsterlord · 10-03-2010, 06:59 AM

Idk, the strength reduction was an overnerf, but for good reason. She was basically unstoppable between Attendants, Untouchable and Impetus. While you've taken that away somewhat with the Untouchable remake and a nerf to Attendants, she could still destroy people very quickly, and use Enchant to kite any solo target until it dies.

Untouchable goes in the third slot btw. Passives first is just plain annoying.

Yuki · 10-03-2010, 07:04 AM

Make NA heals ONLY heroes, healing creeps is a waste.

Shadow Fury · 10-03-2010, 07:09 AM

T-Up Nature's Attendants and Impetus, and I'd like to see the targetted spell evasion added to Untouchable instead. She works fine as an anti-DPS hero IMO.

Monsterlord · 10-03-2010, 07:12 AM

Quote:

I'd like to see the targetted spell evasion added to Untouchable instead.

Jesus christ are you mad?

Shadow Fury · 10-03-2010, 07:14 AM

Of course, you can rescale the other part to "40% chance to slow the attacker's attackspeed by 100% for 3 seconds"

Drickosh · 10-03-2010, 07:20 AM

Untouchable remake is too situational and she didn't need it if you want to increase her str gain that much.. I like Impetus and Healing Attendant remakes though..

dreamcatcher0 · 10-03-2010, 07:21 AM

i like the Impetus remake and the stats, by then she will be balanced.

on NA, also a good tweak....

on Untouchable, hmm...idk, it sounds fine but there is something wrong with it i cnt pin point it.

overall,still a t up!

NoThlnG · 10-03-2010, 10:55 AM

So much reply in few hours

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynes

Its "Aiushta", not "Razor".

These are slight changes to her, except that you weakened the solo heal and made her evade spells (+armor). Not sure if its the way to go since she's made to go on numbers.

Fixed, oh, and btw, most drastic change is her stats

Quote:

Originally Posted by carloparis14

I like the impetus remake. Thats it

there is womething wrong with the tables now

Fixed. Thx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

Idk, the strength reduction was an overnerf, but for good reason. She was basically unstoppable between Attendants, Untouchable and Impetus. While you've taken that away somewhat with the Untouchable remake and a nerf to Attendants, she could still destroy people very quickly, and use Enchant to kite any solo target until it dies.

Untouchable goes in the third slot btw. Passives first is just plain annoying.

Well, that's more like Visual and rather unrelated to this remake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuki

Make NA heals ONLY heroes, healing creeps is a waste.

Not really. Remember you can dominate creep using Enchant. Healing creeps is useful for dominated creep.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drickz

Untouchable remake is too situational and she didn't need it if you want to increase her str gain that much.. I like Impetus and Healing Attendant remakes though..

What do you mean by too situational? Current one is more situational because to maximize the effect, less units must be around Enchantress while this one you can have upto 3 units nearby you without making heal power reduced

Monsterlord · 10-03-2010, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Current one is more situational because to maximize the effect, less units must be around Enchantress while this one you can have upto 3 units nearby you without making heal power reduced

You know he's talking about Untouchable, right?

Doomleprechaun · 10-03-2010, 03:05 PM

Untouchable: No. No, no, no and NO. Way too luck based.

Drickosh · 10-03-2010, 04:32 PM

@ Nothing I mean Untouchable

edit: chance based, only evade target spell (what i meant is even if she facing a full set of heroes with single target spells- the chance still make it very situational)

NoThlnG · 10-04-2010, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drickz

@ Nothing I mean Untouchable

edit: chance based, only evade target spell (what i meant is even if she facing a full set of heroes with single target spells- the chance still make it very situational)

I c... Well, Untouchable isn't the primary remake in this suggestion anyway...

riekk · 10-04-2010, 04:34 AM

Wtf dont mess with the skills! But your right the starting INT should be change.

NoThlnG · 10-04-2010, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riekk

Wtf dont mess with the skills! But your right the starting INT should be change.

Y don't mess with the skills when everyone knows that NA and Impetus is
op and untouchable is hardly useful?

Corest · 10-04-2010, 05:04 AM

HUGE T-up on this!
Enchantress a ridiculous overpowered side/and a ridiculous underpowered side

Nature's Attendants NEEDS to be nerfed, its impossible to kill her while she's under effect of that spell

Smaragdos · 10-04-2010, 05:08 AM

T-up on both Impetus and Attendants change. Not too sure about Untouch.

In technical terms, how would it "Evade" spells?
Ie. If Hellfire Blast was cast on enchant and Untouch was triggered, what would happen?

10-03-2010, 05:55 AM	#2
Dynes Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 3,853 Blog Entries: 4	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Its "Aiushta", not "Razor". These are slight changes to her, except that you weakened the solo heal and made her evade spells (+armor). Not sure if its the way to go since she's made to go on numbers. __________________ Dynes: I don't believe you. /care ~~My suggestions on my blog.~~ I'll hand it over to DotA 2... for now.

10-03-2010, 06:54 AM	#3
cp14 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: suramar Posts: 1,664 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress I like the impetus remake. Thats it there is womething wrong with the tables now __________________ Awesome and Eyecatching avatar removed due to popuular demand BARA CLUB

10-03-2010, 06:57 AM	#4
BooBoox3 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,415	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress I like the suggested untouchable but I don't like the suggested NA and impetus. __________________ Naga Siren skill tweaks. I would appreciate some constructive comments! Don't use trolling as an excuse to cover up your stupidity.

10-03-2010, 06:59 AM	#5
Monsterlord Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,837	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Idk, the strength reduction was an overnerf, but for good reason. She was basically unstoppable between Attendants, Untouchable and Impetus. While you've taken that away somewhat with the Untouchable remake and a nerf to Attendants, she could still destroy people very quickly, and use Enchant to kite any solo target until it dies. Untouchable goes in the third slot btw. Passives first is just plain annoying.

10-03-2010, 07:04 AM	#6
Yuki Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,471 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Make NA heals ONLY heroes, healing creeps is a waste. __________________ Dota 2

10-03-2010, 07:09 AM	#7
Shadow Fury Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Draining Your Life Juice. Posts: 10,204 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress T-Up Nature's Attendants and Impetus, and I'd like to see the targetted spell evasion added to Untouchable instead. She works fine as an anti-DPS hero IMO.

10-03-2010, 07:14 AM	#9
Shadow Fury Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Draining Your Life Juice. Posts: 10,204 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Of course, you can rescale the other part to "40% chance to slow the attacker's attackspeed by 100% for 3 seconds"

10-03-2010, 07:21 AM	#11
dreamcatcher0 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,063	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress i like the Impetus remake and the stats, by then she will be balanced. on NA, also a good tweak.... on Untouchable, hmm...idk, it sounds fine but there is something wrong with it i cnt pin point it. overall,still a t up! __________________ CHECK THIS OUT! All Suggestions Made Thank you P_L[Maniac] for this wonderful signature ^_^ I won't take any review request for this month. Busy in real life.

10-03-2010, 03:05 PM	#14
Doomleprechaun Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 21	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Untouchable: No. No, no, no and NO. Way too luck based.

10-04-2010, 04:34 AM	#17
riekk Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cavite, Philippines Posts: 72	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress Wtf dont mess with the skills! But your right the starting INT should be change.

10-04-2010, 05:04 AM	#19
Corest Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 813	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress HUGE T-up on this! Enchantress a ridiculous overpowered side/and a ridiculous underpowered side Nature's Attendants NEEDS to be nerfed, its impossible to kill her while she's under effect of that spell __________________ Follow a DotA gameplay revolution Pudge, Invoker, Techies... Now it's time for a new hero to have the same impact, and leave a mark forever ___ The REAL Wrath of Nature and

10-04-2010, 05:08 AM	#20
Smaragdos Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In your heart. Posts: 283	Re: [REMAKE] Enchantress T-up on both Impetus and Attendants change. Not too sure about Untouch. In technical terms, how would it "Evade" spells? Ie. If Hellfire Blast was cast on enchant and Untouch was triggered, what would happen? __________________ What the hell? Somebody BUMP These Just opened a fortune cookie. It said: "You have none." ... What the hell? SMARAGDOS' SIMPLE ABILITY IDEAS - So simple, even Pudge can understand. [Adjustment] Spectral Dagger Targeting System [Subskill]Chen - Release