Remake The Ancients I

Shadow Fury · 10-23-2010, 09:37 AM

Changing soon.

Death Prophet
Krobelus

Background Story: Krobelus spent her living days as a fervent member of a cult of Death Sayers. Her belief in the ways of death and the perfect harmony it brings has given her dead spirit a chance to wreak havoc among the chaotic living. She uses her prophetic abilities to call upon dark prophecies to silence the living, while draining them of energy with a mere glance. She augments her powers through the use of an unholy charm which binds the essences of the enemy, forcing them to lose both their mana and their might. She is devoted to death in all it's aspects, and would see all turned to ash and blight.

Strength - 19 + [1.8]

Agility - 14 + [1.4]

Intelligence - 20 + [3]

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Affiliation:	Scourge
Damage:	39-51
Armor:	1
Movespeed:	285
Attack Range:	600

BLIGHTED SIGHT

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: R
Blasts everything in her unholy sight with huge waves of death energy, dealing damage to all life, and blighting the earth.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 105 8 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 80 damage per unit, Krobelus heals for 30% of the damage done
2 120 7 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 120 damage per unit, Krobelus heals for 30% of the damage done
3 140 6 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 160 damage per unit, Krobelus heals for 30% of the damage done
4 165 5 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 200 damage per unit, Krobelus heals for 30% of the damage done
Damage type: Magical

The basic shape of the blast is a cone similar to the ladder Carrion Swarm.

The earth affected remains blighted for upto 20 seconds after the spell is cast.

Targetting is like Shadowraze now; she blasts in the direction she is facing. This is to balance the low cooldown, and greater effects of the skill, and make her less boring to play.

PROPHECY

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: E
Krobelus ascends into the higher ethereal realms, seeking a prophecy of silent death. Once she finds it, she can bring it back with her, unleashing it on all nearby enemies.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 80 9 seconds 900 200 3 Becomes ethereal for 1 second, before silencing every unit around her; all those who harm her while she is ethereal take back the damage if they are within the AoE
2 80 11 seconds 900 275 4 Becomes ethereal for 1.5 seconds, before silencing every unit around her; all those who harm her while she is ethereal take back the damage if they are within the AoE
3 80 11 seconds 900 350 5 Becomes ethereal for 2 seconds, before silencing every unit around her; all those who harm her while she is ethereal take back the damage if they are within the AoE
4 80 11 seconds 900 350 6 Becomes ethereal for 2.5 second, before silencing every unit around her; all those who harm her while she is ethereal take back the damage if they are within the AoE
Targets can still use items while silenced.

Krobelus is NOT healed for the damage taken while ethereal.

The skill can be cancelled after casting by pressing the hotkey or the skill's button again. This shortens her ethereal state, but will also shorten the duration of silence.

SOUL BIND [Completely Remade]

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: C
Releases a radial blast of energy that binds the life energies of all nearby units to their magical essences. Based on the affected units' life loss or gain, they lose or gain mana, and also, the target loses or gains mana based on life loss or gain.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 100 18 - 500 3 10% of the change in HP or mana is reflected in mana or HP
2 110 18 - 550 4 15% of the change in HP or mana is reflected in mana or HP
3 120 18 - 600 5 20% of the change in HP or mana is reflected in mana or HP
4 130 18 - 650 6 25% of the change in HP or mana is reflected in mana or HP
Damage type: Magical.

Krobelus herself is affected by this skill.

Allies cannot be damaged by this skill; however, some of their HP loss is converted to mana loss.

EXORCISM

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: X
Unleashes evil spirits to attack your enemies and burn out their mana. The power and intensity of these spirits are magnified by Krobelus' other skills.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 200 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 3 evil spirits that each burn 10 mana per attack
2 300 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 7 evil spirits that each burn 15 mana per attack
3 400 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 11 evil spirits that each burn 20 mana per attack
Spirits do 43-48 hero type damage or a secondary 60-70 magical damage.

All corpses on Blighted land will get converted to additional spirits.

All units killed by Krobelus within the duration get converted to additional spirits.

While Krobelus is ethereal, her spirits too become ethereal and their secondary, magical attack is considered.

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dreamcatcher0 · 10-23-2010, 10:00 AM

Reserved for my entry.... I hope this will still be accepted..

Remake List
- Armor
- Hero Damage
- Movement Speed
- Skill Carrion Swarm - Tweaked on Mana Cost
- Skill Silence - Partial Remake/Icon and Name change
- Skill Witch Craft - Remake/Icon Change
- Skill Exorcism - Tweaked

Death Prophet
Krobelus

Description: Although her Carrion Swarm spell allows the Death Prophet to be a strong damage spellcaster, she can also make a great tank. By buying items to pump up her hit points and armor and casting her Exorcism spell, the Death Prophet can quickly decimate the enemy team while shrugging off their attempts to stop her. Carrion Swarm is a strong area of effect spell, and with her Witchcraft passive and some mana items the Death Prophet can cast Carrion Swarm very often. Soul Screech ability allow her to chase down and kill enemies while keeping them from fighting back. The Death Prophet is especially powerful when attacking enemy towers and bases. Exorcism is one of the few spells which damages buildings, and can quickly level any structure. Carrion Swarm can eliminate enemy creep waves, and Soul Screech allows the Death Prophet to deal with defenders. When the Death Prophet uses Exorcism it's best to try to eliminate her as quickly as possible or flee, since the damage will quickly add up.

Background Story: Krobelus spent her living days as a fervent member of a cult of Death Sayers. Her belief in the ways of death and the perfect harmony it brings has given her dead spirit a chance to wreak havoc among the chaotic living. She uses her abilities to call upon carnivorous bats and long dead spirits to lay to rest all who still pump blood through their veins. She augments her powers through the use of witchcraft, and she is able to make opponents gape in fear, losing the focus needed to cast spells. She is devoted to death in all it's aspects, and would see all turned to ash.

Strength - 19 + [1.8]

Agility - 14 + [1.4]

Intelligence - 20 + [3]

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Affiliation:	Scourge
Damage:	41-47
Armor:	2
Movespeed:	295
Attack Range:	600

Carrion Swarm

Type: Active
Targeting: Point
Hotkey: R
Sends a horde of bats to damage enemies.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 105 8 seconds 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 100 damage per unit
2 120 7 seconds 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 175 damage per unit
3 135 6 seconds 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 250 damage per unit
4 150 5 seconds 600 110 (Starting AoE) / 700 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) N/A 325 damage per unit
Damage type: magical

Can hit units up to 1110 units away.

Soul Screech

Type: Active
Targeting: N/A
Hotkey: E
Krobelus uses her inner voice to make her enemies tremble with fear. Affected units will stop for awhile. It also stops all enemies under this skill from casting spells.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 110 14 seconds N/A 350 3 seconds 1.5 second disable Silences units
2 130 14 seconds N/A 350 4 seconds 2 second disable. Silences units
3 155 14 seconds N/A 350 5 seconds 2.5 second disable Silences units
4 180 14 seconds N/A 350 6 seconds 3 second disable. Silences units
Targets can still use items while silenced.

Silence and disable starts at the same time.

Duration stated in the table only applies in the silence

Witchcraft

Type: Active
Targeting: Ground
Hotkey: W
Summons 5 ghosts that will close the entire area.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 100 20 600 300 2 Each ghosts deal 25 damage
2 110 20 600 350 2.75 Each ghosts deal 30 damage
3 120 20 600 375 3.5 Each ghosts deal 35 damage
4 130 20 600 400 4.25 Each ghosts deal 45 damage
Each ghost has frost attack which slows the unit by 2.5/3/3.5/4% (AS and MS) that lasts for 2 seconds after the last attack.

They target unit randomly

They are in circular position, uncontrollable and hence will not move in their position until they vanish

Buff placer

Each ghost has 300hp/0mp and 5 armor.

Slark's Pounce, Mirana's Leap, Kelen's Dagger, Invi skills and alike will not work to escape in the area

Exorcism

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: X
Unleashes evil spirits to attack your enemies.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 200 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 5 evil spirits
2 300 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 10 evil spirits
3 400 100 seconds N/A 700 30 seconds Summons 15 evil spirits
Spirits do 43-48 hero type damage.

Area of Effect specifies the area around Krobelus where spirits will choose new targets.

If a spirit gets 2000 range or more from Krobelus, it will be destroyed.

After the spell ends, the spirits will heal Krobelus for 25% of the damage dealt by them, up to a maximum of 1000.

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Nevfigalo · 10-23-2010, 01:28 PM

Time is over but who cares. I don't see any problems with yours entries.
I have added you both to contenstants' list. I will also give u some extra time.

To all contestants:
You have still about 11 hours to edit your works. New deadline is 24 October GMT, please no editing after that.

dreamcatcher0 · 10-23-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Time is over but who cares. I don't see any problems with yours entries.
I have added you both to contenstants' list. I will also give u some extra time.

To all contestants:
You have still about 11 hours to edit your works. New deadline is 24 October GMT, please no editing after that.

thank you so much! ill finish my entry soon

Shadow Fury · 10-23-2010, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

I have added you both to contenstants' list. I will also give u some extra time.

Thanks a lot!

I think I'm done (:

dreamcatcher0 · 10-25-2010, 03:36 AM

bumping this,... its phase 3 right? where is the voting for the next ancient remake?

EDIT: since i cannot edit my entry please ignore the "Cap of 100/200." in SOul Screech level 2 and make the cooldown to constant 14 secs to all levels.

im sorry i didnt noticed that one last night XD

Nevfigalo · 10-25-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamcatcher0

bumping this,... its phase 3 right? where is the voting for the next ancient remake?

Oh yea, I forgot. Phase III is now.

About next ancient remake (or remake contest). If i good remember there was an idea about remaking a hero removed from the game. Imo it should be in hero suggestions, but meh.
If it will be enough eager people I can host next RTA. How to vote on the next "ancient"? Just post it.
By myself I can suggest:
-Alchemist (mainly Goblin's Greed, but also Acid and Ulti are worth remade)
-Slayer (mainly passive or not... all her skills are unoriginal)

About Judgment.
I will try finish by Sunday (best option). I have to finish CTH13 entry and i have currently lazy mode on.
No information about other judges.

darkhunter · 10-25-2010, 05:59 PM

Will be judging this weekend, it should hopefully be also finished this sunday

Megas · 10-25-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Evfeed

Oh yea, I forgot. Phase III is now.

About next ancient remake (or remake contest). If i good remember there was an idea about remaking a hero removed from the game. Imo it should be in hero suggestions, but meh.
If it will be enough eager people I can host next RTA. How to vote on the next "ancient"? Just post it.
By myself I can suggest:
-Alchemist (mainly Goblin's Greed, but also Acid and Ulti are worth remade)
-Slayer (mainly passive or not... all her skills are unoriginal)

About Judgment.
I will try finish by Sunday (best option). I have to finish CTH13 entry and i have currently lazy mode on.
No information about other judges.

Let's remake Akasha! Her skills are tottaly unoriginal...

Leave Lina's passive alone... Since I've suggested in the old DA forums! =D

fan.god · 10-25-2010, 10:15 PM

RTA1 is different from before that now u can change the whole hero, which requires a lot of reading, which i don't like :P
Lina and Akasha are simple, unoriginal yet useful, and fun to use. why do u want to complicate them ?(RTA1 entries are overly complex) Even the newly added heroes like Thrall, Gyro have quite simple skills. Remake 1 skill that doesn't fit with the theme or the role or extremely boring only... Lina's Fiery Soul, Akasha's Shadow Strike, Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude, Weaver's Geminate Attack, Wind's Focus Fire, Eredar's Soul Catcher, AM's Spell Shield, .. are my list.

only remake more than 1 skill for heroes like Tauren, which has forced synergy around Ancestral Spirit.

dreamcatcher0 · 10-26-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Megas

Let's remake Akasha! Her skills are totally unoriginal...=D

yes! i also thought of remaking some skills of akasha coz i dont feel her title into her... "Queen of Pain" but she's not that a pain to other heroes...

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Originally Posted by fan.god

Lina and Akasha are simple, unoriginal yet useful, and fun to use. why do u want to complicate them ?(RTA1 entries are overly complex) Even the newly added heroes like Thrall, Gyro have quite simple skills.

i agree...

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Remake 1 skill that doesn't fit with the theme or the role or extremely boring only... Lina's Fiery Soul, Akasha's Shadow Strike, Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude, Weaver's Geminate Attack, Wind's Focus Fire, Eredar's Soul Catcher, AM's Spell Shield, .. are my list.

bold ones must be on RTA.

Nevfigalo · 10-26-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fan.god

Lina and Akasha are simple, unoriginal yet useful, and fun to use.

Fun is an question of taste. I'm not a competive player, but I think that Lina has no role/place in the competive gaming. One unreliable aoe disable and some nukes. In comparing to Lion she is meh. Akasha has at least her blink which gives her incredible mobility.

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why do u want to complicate them ?(RTA1 entries are overly complex)

Nobody want to complicate them... so much. It depends on the contestants. I have written that one good remake can won.

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Even the newly added heroes like Thrall, Gyro have quite simple skills.

Homing missile, Kinetic Field, Glimpse and even Static Storm or Thunder Strike is a different world in comparing to Lina's and Akasha's skills.

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Remake 1 skill that doesn't fit with the theme or the role or extremely boring only...

Sometimes when u are changing one skill u have to change others to make nice synergies or a gameplay. However nobody demands you to remake more than one skill. (for example xbluejob remade only witchcraft).

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Lina's Fiery Soul, Akasha's Shadow Strike, Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude, Weaver's Geminate Attack, Wind's Focus Fire, Eredar's Soul Catcher, AM's Spell Shield, .. are my list.

Eredar's Soul Catcher is a joke, right? About rest, I don't see a problem with WR's Focus Fire and Weaver's Geminate, original and important skills.

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only remake more than 1 skill for heroes like Tauren, which has forced synergy around Ancestral Spirit.

Tauren is an another story. He is now overnerfed and weak. The problem is that he is new and fresh, I think that IceFrog will not decide to remake him soon. Spellcombos just don't fit DotA.

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Originally Posted by dreamcatcher0

yes! i also thought of remaking some skills of akasha coz i dont feel her title into her... "Queen of Pain" but she's not that a pain to other heroes...

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Needs some reviews. =]

About next hero:
-Lina
-Akasha
-Alchemist
-Antimage
-Troll
-Centaur
-Drow Ranger

About judging:
I have done 2/8.

fan.god · 10-26-2010, 04:04 PM

good argument. compared with many pointless arguments going on around ability forum, yours seems more.. logical and with better language

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Fun is an question of taste. I'm not a competive player, but I think that Lina has no role/place in the competive gaming. One unreliable aoe disable and some nukes. In comparing to Lion she is meh. Akasha has at least her blink which gives her incredible mobility.

well Lina used to be picked alot. and set mind games with her stun is kinda fun. (and hard as hell >.<)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Homing missile, Kinetic Field, Glimpse and even Static Storm or Thunder Strike is a different world in comparing to Lina's and Akasha's skills.

sure. but i dont mean simple like a single stun/nuke. they are in another world with the "collecting souls" of xbluejobx or smt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Nobody want to complicate them... so much. It depends on the contestants. I have written that one good remake can won.

Sometimes when u are changing one skill u have to change others to make nice synergies or a gameplay. However nobody demands you to remake more than one skill. (for example xbluejob remade only witchcraft).

well read it again I realized some remakes are quite simple, but they change other skills in a way that is unnecessary to me. good luck on reading through all of that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Eredar's Soul Catcher is a joke, right? About rest, I don't see a problem with WR's Focus Fire and Weaver's Geminate, original and important skills.

Soul Catcher is kinda a reminder. why the hell it must be AoE and random-based? too lame that I cannot forget. focus fire is not very fitting. WR dont rely much on it. Geminate attack is so buggy and restricting Weaver's style. anyway I saw good remakes for it out there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

Tauren is an another story. He is now overnerfed and weak. The problem is that he is new and fresh, I think that IceFrog will not decide to remake him soon. Spellcombos just don't fit DotA.

Advertisment:
http://www.playdota.com/forums/28523...ha-queen-pain/
Needs some reviews. =]

About next hero:
-Lina
-Akasha
-Alchemist
-Antimage
-Troll
-Centaur
-Drow Ranger

About judging:
I have done 2/8.

why alchemist again??? why Traxex? Lina's and Troll's are most underused to me. They simply don't need these skills. Rest are worth a try.

hix. there are so many contests going at the same times. I miss this because I was busy judging CTA2. gud luk Evfeed.

Nevfigalo · 10-27-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fan.god

focus fire is not very fitting. WR dont rely much on it.

Towers will not destroy itself. ^^ Also her other abilities are good enough to recompense her ulti.

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why alchemist again??? why Traxex?

I forgot that alchemist has been already remaked in RETS. I will leave him alone.
About drow:

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Lina's Fiery Soul, Akasha's Shadow Strike, Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude, Weaver's Geminate Attack, Wind's Focus Fire, Eredar's Soul Catcher, AM's Spell Shield, .. are my list.

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Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude

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Traxex's Marksmanship

I have added her on the list only because you have mentioned her. I am glad removing her.

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hix. there are so many contests going at the same times. I miss this because I was busy judging CTA2. gud luk Evfeed.

Thanks, I will sent u a pm when/if RTA II starts.

Judgment: 5/8.

Voting on the next hero:
-Akasha
-Lina
-Troll (Evfeed)

You can vote now. Troll is my choice (I am really curious about his remakes)

Nanaya Shiki · 10-28-2010, 12:36 AM

Vote for Akasha. I hate her Shadow Strike.

Kira` · 10-28-2010, 05:07 AM

Totally Akasha, her skills are pathetic and off the theme

Megas · 10-28-2010, 03:47 PM

Akasha! Her skills are boring and unoriginal!

dreamcatcher0 · 10-29-2010, 01:38 AM

i want Akasha remake let her be the next hero for RETSII

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how's the judging of other judges?

Nevfigalo · 10-29-2010, 01:15 PM

There is many nice ideas here. I'm gonna post results here and then make a compilation of the best remakes (not full entries, only single concepts) and post a new thread with them. Of course with full credits.

Judgment: 6/8.

Voting on the next hero:
Akasha (4)(Pokokichi2, Kira`, Megas, dreamcatcher0)
Lina
Troll (1)(Evfeed)

It seems like we have next hero.

dreamcatcher0 · 10-29-2010, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evfeed

There is are many nice ideas here. I'm gonna post results here and then make a compilation of the best remakes (not full entries, only single concepts) and post a new thread with them. Of course with full credits.

fixed.

Quote:

Judgment: 6/8.

Voting on the next hero:
Akasha (4)(Pokokichi2, Kira`, Megas, dreamcatcher0)
Lina
Troll (1)(Evfeed)

It seems like we have next hero.

yay! QoP is sure next hero in RETS!! =)) so excited to know the results and next RETS

10-23-2010, 01:28 PM	#43
Nevfigalo Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 1,153	Re: Remake The Ancients I Time is over but who cares. I don't see any problems with yours entries. I have added you both to contenstants' list. I will also give u some extra time. To all contestants: You have still about 11 hours to edit your works. New deadline is 24 October GMT, please no editing after that.

Last edited by Nevfigalo; 10-23-2010 at 01:42 PM.

10-25-2010, 03:36 AM	#46
dreamcatcher0 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,136	Re: Remake The Ancients I bumping this,... its phase 3 right? where is the voting for the next ancient remake? EDIT: since i cannot edit my entry please ignore the "Cap of 100/200." in SOul Screech level 2 and make the cooldown to constant 14 secs to all levels. im sorry i didnt noticed that one last night XD __________________ CHECK THIS OUT! All Suggestions Made Thank you P_L[Maniac] for this wonderful signature ^_^ I came back to life once again.

Last edited by dreamcatcher0; 10-25-2010 at 03:47 AM.

10-25-2010, 10:15 PM	#50
fan.god Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: even with Gem, u can never find me Posts: 913 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Remake The Ancients I RTA1 is different from before that now u can change the whole hero, which requires a lot of reading, which i don't like :P Lina and Akasha are simple, unoriginal yet useful, and fun to use. why do u want to complicate them ?(RTA1 entries are overly complex) Even the newly added heroes like Thrall, Gyro have quite simple skills. Remake 1 skill that doesn't fit with the theme or the role or extremely boring only... Lina's Fiery Soul, Akasha's Shadow Strike, Troll's Blind, Traxex's Marksmanship, Cent's Great Fortitude, Weaver's Geminate Attack, Wind's Focus Fire, Eredar's Soul Catcher, AM's Spell Shield, .. are my list. only remake more than 1 skill for heroes like Tauren, which has forced synergy around Ancestral Spirit. __________________ BEWARE OF YOUR DREAMS

10-28-2010, 12:36 AM	#55
Nanaya Shiki Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,428	Re: Remake The Ancients I Vote for Akasha. I hate her Shadow Strike.

10-28-2010, 05:07 AM	#56
Kira` Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: reality...I suppose... Posts: 994 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Remake The Ancients I Totally Akasha, her skills are pathetic and off the theme __________________ Heroes Abilities Items Remakes

10-29-2010, 01:38 AM	#58
dreamcatcher0 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,136	Re: Remake The Ancients I i want Akasha remake let her be the next hero for RETSII ..... how's the judging of other judges? __________________ CHECK THIS OUT! All Suggestions Made Thank you P_L[Maniac] for this wonderful signature ^_^ I came back to life once again.

10-29-2010, 01:15 PM	#59
Nevfigalo Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 1,153	Re: Remake The Ancients I There is many nice ideas here. I'm gonna post results here and then make a compilation of the best remakes (not full entries, only single concepts) and post a new thread with them. Of course with full credits. Judgment: 6/8. Voting on the next hero: Akasha (4)(Pokokichi2, Kira`, Megas, dreamcatcher0) Lina Troll (1)(Evfeed) It seems like we have next hero.