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Old 06-13-2009, 08:03 AM   #1
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Default [Neutral - STR] Lone Wyrm - Soledad


Update log
13 June: created this suggestion, look like no one give a look. Gotta change!
14 June: various things:
+ added Pros and Cons
+ lowered STR growth to 2 from 2.2
+ lowered ultimate form attack range to 400 from 700
+ changed Sky Kaiser to an instant skill
+ changed Sky Kaiser to Sky Ruler due to hotkey issue
+ changed the layout a little
+ lowered ultimate form's base attack time to 1 from 1.2
+ changed the ultimate a little
+ changed hero's icon and model due to MSI if use villager model with added attack animation, and the current one fit more with skills colors
+ changed story, starting skill, attack and casting animation due to that
+ fixed some typos
+ lowered Crows' base hp to 30
+ changed Crows' bounty gold to 10
+ changed Possession's manacost per seconds to increase every level
+ added update log
15 June
+ changed the name Winter Call to Winter Bringer
+ lowered STR growth to 1.8 from 2
+ increased AGI growth to 2 from 1.8
16 June
+ made the story a bit clearer
17 June
+ finally got rid of the god damned scroll
+ changed skill 3 due to the change of model (advised by most replies)
+ changed Winter Bringer to Winter Bearer
+ lowered ultimate duration to 60 from 90 (advised by Zypher~)
21 June
+ lowered bonus armor from 20 (advised by Seafood89)
10 July
+ changed 2nd and 3rd skill a little (changes are in green)
26 July
+ changed 2nd skill name to "Obsession" (advised by bimjowen)
+ changed the way 2nd skill works
+ changed the crows a little (advised by bimjowen)
+ decreased 3rd skill's armor
+ removed a few spoilers (advised by king_james)
+ increased ultimate form's base attack time to 1.2 from 1
+ fixed a few (a lot of) typos
+ changed 3rd skill's duration to infinite
+ reduced Sky Ruler's manacost to 150 from 200
6 March
+ too many things ...

Well, since there're many guys who want a STR female hero ...



Lone Wyrm
Soledad


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15 + 1.8
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18 + 2
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22 + 2.8


Affiliation: Neutral
Damage (with STR added): 20-22
Armor (with AGI added): 1.5
Movespeed: 285
Attack Range: 125 (melee)
Attack Animation: 0.5/0.5
Casting Animation: 0/0.5
Base Attack Time: 1.7
Missile Speed: Instant
Sight Range: 1800/800

Role: semi-carrier, nuker, mass disabler
Theme: an adorable dragon (lolz )



Made orphan by the great war
Carried on, thousands of scars
A rampage that went too far
Halted by a soothing jar
Seal put on, living on par
Trained hard behind iron bars
Simply a weapon for war
Will she help or will she mar?


Old story
Made orphan by the war between Sentinel and Scourge, the young wyrm Soledad had wandered soulessly until she collapsed due to all the sufferings. She woke up in a village of nowhere, where all the races tried to live in peace with each other. Then an old necromancer put a seal on her to limit her destructive power after all the people there realized her limitless potentiality. She grew up in her forced elven form learning spells from all races in order to protect her people. Despite that, her ancestors' power still wait for its day to come out.


PROS
+ Good harassing skill
+ Synergy well
+ Teamwork value
+ Mass disabling
+ Non item-dependent
+ Late game heavy carrier
+ Flying
+ Is a female STR hero

CONS
+ Can't farm
+ Skills don't work in ultimate form
+ Has suicidal playstyle
+ Easy to die early game
+ Low armor
+ Ugly ultimate form

SKILL


Raven Dance

Information: A taming skill taught to Soledad by an Orc tamer. Whenever there're corpses nearby, she can summon a horde of crows to fight for her. When a crow pecks an enemy, it regains health.
Description:
This skill is similar to Krobelus's ultimate. When hero cast this skill, a horde of crow will come out from the nearest tree.
Ability Type: Instant
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey: R

- Manacost: 80+(20*skill level)
- Cooldown: (50 - 5xskill level) seconds
- Number of crows: 5 per corpse
Crows:
+ Use the tinted black vulture model.
+ Uncontrolable, vulnerable (20+ 10xskill level hp), have spell immunity, give 10 gold when killed
+ No collision size and max movespeed
+ Model should be small
+ Normally crows don't fly above Soledad's head. They fly around her.
+ 2/4/6/8 chaos dmg (will be reduced by armor), 100% lifesteal, 0 armor (unarmored type)
+ attack the nearest enemy from the hero, max range is 600.
+ Crows exist until they die
+ Cap: 30 crows


Obsession

Information: A obsessing spell taught to Soledad by a Banshee. Upon using it, she changes to ghost form and attaches herself to an enemy hero, damaging and weakening him over time.
Description:
After using it on an enemy hero, she changes to ghost form and attaches herself to him (enemy hero still has full control of himself). Deals damage, slows and reduces armor over time. Controlling her to move will stop the spell. Soledad goes back to normal after the spell stops.
Ability Type: Active
Targeting Type: Unit (enemy heroes)
Ability Hotkey: E

- Manacost: 40+(10xskill level) + ((45 + 5xskill level) per second)
- Cooldown: 70-(10xskill level) seconds
- Deal (10+10xskill level) pure damage per second
- Reduce (0.5xskill level) armor per second
- Reduce (4 + skill level)% movespeed per second


Tainting Strike
(Please tell me which one is the best)
Information: A killing technique taught to Soledad by a Human assassin. By moving at a slower speed, she can erase all her essence in order to approach her foes. Then by piercing both the armor and the flesh of her target, she deals a bit of damage and makes them vulnerable to the following strikes.
Description:
When hero cast this skill, she become invisible and blurred (Riki + Mortred) also get her movespeed slowed by 50%. Attacking cause "inviblurble" to lost effect. If she successfully strikes in this state, deals an amount of bonus damage to the attacked unit and lowers the enemies' armor in an AoE.
Ability Type: Instant
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey: T

- Manacost: 100 + (0.5% max mana for every second in "inviblurble" state)
- Cooldown: 15 seconds
- Duration of lowered armor effect = 10 seconds
- Armor points lowered: 4/6/8/10
- AoE: 200
- Damage: 100% bonus pure damage


Origin Unseal
(hm, need better icon)
Information: Drowned in blood, Soledad unseals herself from mortal bones. She become a powerful Frost Wyrm which doesn't fear anything, neither heaven nor earth. But when receive too much damage, she need to descend to rest for a while before soaring the sky. The thick skin protects her from harm when descended.
Description:
This skill is a combination of Davion's ultimate and Batrider's Firefly (just for you guys to understand ). When hero uses this, she will become a flying Frost Wyrm (since she's a full dragon, not half). For every level, there're more bonuses for her but all her skills in elven form are removed. For every (300+ 100xskill level (+100 with scepter)) damage she takes, she must descend to rest for 2 seconds (destroys trees upon descending, hero can still move while descended). When descended, she get ((ultimate skill levelx3)+(3 with Scepter equipped)) armor bonus.
Ability Type: Instant
Targeting Type: N/A
Ability Hotkey: G

- Manacost: 300
- Duration: 60 seconds
- Cooldown: 175 seconds (135 with Scepter)


+ Has 320 movespeed
+ Base Attack Time: 1.2
+ 400 attack range
+ 0.7 attack animation (0.6 backswing)


Level 1:
+ has Sky Ruler (Instant, 150 manacost, 15 seconds cooldown, hotkey R)

Information: In payback of the weak human form, Soledad's original form gets so strong that it becomes the king of the sky.
Description: Passively gives her bonus STR = her INT, when used it pushes any unit in the 300 range on her sides for 300 range.
Example:


Level 2:
+ has Transporter (Instant, no manacost, no cooldown, hotkey E)

Information: Thanks to her massive strength, she's able to carry and then release an ally. Doesn't work with Elder Dragon Form (to avoid misunderstanding ).
Description: Simple, catch and release


Level 3:
+ has Winter Bearer

Information: The cold of her breath chills even the bravest hearts and the strongest bodies, making them meanless in front of her.
Description: Every time hero attacks, 15% will freeze the attacked unit for 2 seconds.

With Scepter
Give 200 radius splash attack. The freeze effect also affects other units in that area.


Well, that's all of it, took real a while...
Other stuffs will be added later when I have free time again.

Credits go to:
+ Blizzard for the great game
+ Ice Frog, Eul, Guinsoo and many other people who have made and improved DotA
+ The site's makers for the template
+ Chachamaru, X.e.r.e.x, The Silent, CRAZYRUSSIAN and someone-I-don't-know for the icons
+ Cigaro for the models gif files
+ NegativeDeaths for the model screenshots
+ My beloved computer
+ My girlfriend for not messing with me when I was making this
+ You for reading this

Afterwords: PLEASE, CONCEPT NOT NUMBERS!!!
I need as many feedbacks as possible, so please help
And at least READ it before replying
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:03 AM   #2
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Holy rackamoole! Your cooldowns and manacosts are way too high! And I'd have to say that her skills are pretty imbalanced too.

And, the Female Villager model you're inching to use doesn't have an Attack animation, afaik. So, in-game, when she attacks she'll just be standing there and dealing damage -- without even moving. >.>;;

Those are my 2 cents.
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:31 AM   #3
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:54 AM   #4
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Holy rackamoole! Your cooldowns and manacosts are way too high! And I'd have to say that her skills are pretty imbalanced too.

And, the Female Villager model you're inching to use doesn't have an Attack animation, afaik. So, in-game, when she attacks she'll just be standing there and dealing damage -- without even moving. >.>;;

Those are my 2 cents.
Wait until I post the test map (I believe I saw one with attack and spell animation, maybe from DDay) ...
And moreover, all I want to do is adding skill factor, so ...
... gotta change the ultimate, can anyone think of a condition for the ultimate?

Can you aim a spell well if it come after around 8 seconds?
Can you manage to touch your enemy with just 285 movespeed?
Can you get close enough for the crows to attack the target without getting killed before that?
Can you just push your enemies or will you also push your channeling allies?
Above all, can you manage to have enough mana?

All the hard stuffs ... and I like them.

Thanks for your reply, at least you replied
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Old 06-14-2009, 05:12 AM   #5
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Talking about names... I kinda don't get this hero's name. Like what Frankz said, shes using a model with no attack animation which will make her look bad. Considering her skills, shes very random, like just putting the first three stuffs you thought of in one. Shes not very cool or unique (for me) and I will just find her rather useless or overpowered in the battle field. I see no strategy with her combining it to other ally heroes. I kinda like her ulti being changed to stronger ones but I think its better if its similar to the "girl" model's skills, just a little bit stronger with spiced up effects. If there was a poll, I'll t-down

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Old 06-14-2009, 05:22 AM   #6
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If there was a poll, I'll t-down

I know you can make this better @_@
Huh? I thought I posted a poll. Gotta check. Ah no, damn! The poll options got disabled.
Read the story, the STORY!

As for the name, my girlfriend forced me to do so, I had no choice (poor me ). And that's her name if you want to know maybe I should rename and re-post? (use google if you want to know what Soledad means)

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Old 06-14-2009, 11:37 AM   #7
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imho those 2 creature (soledad and wyrm) should b separated as 2 heroes... my other suggestion is soledad should b an agi because her body seems fragile.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:47 AM   #8
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better character animation now, but same other problems still apply
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:43 PM   #9
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First off, I'm not so sure about your 'Innate' spell you should either remove Healing Scroll or add it to once of his skills because no other hero in DotA has an 'Innate' spell. But then again you are the creator so I'll leave it to you and don't take it too seriously.

Although 'Raven Dance' is rather original it would be more balanced if you gave the crows timed life for 1-5 Minutes? Since with spell immunity and 30 crows is no laughing matter.

What is the duration of 'Possession'?

3rd Skill seems interesting but rather imba(?) early-game. Well I'm not sure since you do have a 5 Sec. appear time so it might be balanced. Looks good on paper though.

Before I comment on your ultimate. I'm just really confused about why the duration is a minute and a half.

Needs some clarifications before I fully review it.
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Agreed, innates are ussually symptoms of badly made maps or heroes, why not make it a secondary to ulti or something
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Wow I like it man, even if this won't be added so soon
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imho those 2 creature (soledad and wyrm) should b separated as 2 heroes... my other suggestion is soledad should b an agi because her body seems fragile.
Oh come on I'm trying to make a STR female hero here!
Anyway, she's DRAGON! Of course she's strong enough to be a STR hero. It's because of the seal that she got so weak. And don't you think she's VERY fragile right now?

Moreover, all AGI female heroes got cool weapons: Luna with the glaive, Traxex, Mirana, Medusa with bows, Mortred with the ring , Layana with darts, ...
And what does Soledad have? A SCROLL ! How can you kill some one with a scroll???

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First off, I'm not so sure about your 'Innate' spell you should either remove Healing Scroll or add it to once of his skills because no other hero in DotA has an 'Innate' spell. But then again you are the creator so I'll leave it to you and don't take it too seriously.
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Agreed, innates are ussually symptoms of badly made maps or heroes, why not make it a secondary to ulti or something
Well, she's holding a SCROLL! Anyway I myself think this skill need changes to be better. But I will leave that to tomorrow, can't think well with a sleepy brain.
Thanks for these ideas!

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Although 'Raven Dance' is rather original it would be more balanced if you gave the crows timed life for 1-5 Minutes? Since with spell immunity and 30 crows is no laughing matter.
Well, the crows can't be controlled. Your post still make a point so I lowered their base hp to 30 and changed bounty gold to 10. This way using it without thinking will just give your ranged enemies FREE GOLD!

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What is the duration of 'Possession'?
It has no duration, the high manacost will fix that. And I also changed the manacost per second to make this skill double-edged.

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3rd Skill seems interesting but rather imba(?) early-game. Well I'm not sure since you do have a 5 Sec. appear time so it might be balanced. Looks good on paper though.
I didn't think it should be leveled early game. Why? Because it need godlike timing and luck to deal max damage. And by saying max damage, I mean damagex75% and then armor defense. Doesn't worth leveling early I think. And it's even worse late game when most heroes' armor defense are higher than 50%.
I created this skill to be rather a pushing and strategic skill. It will destroy trees in a big radius so tree-based heroes become useless and hopes to survive by going into the woods get erased.

Quote:
Before I comment on your ultimate. I'm just really confused about why the duration is a minute and a half.
Well, I just think she's a full dragon so the duration must be longer than that of Davion's ultimate.
Maybe it need balancing, will think about it tomorrow.

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Wow I like it man, even if this won't be added so soon
Thanks. The whole idea come from that "STR female hero" scandal, and I saw that most PD members want one so just don't care whether it'll get implemented or not. The fun factor is much more important
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This hero is pretty hawt, although i do agree with Frankz from above that there is no attack animation for the villager, and how the f*** does a villager turn into a frost wyrm? Weird, just plain weird. Good hero, btw.
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This hero is pretty hawt, although i do agree with Frankz from above that there is no attack animation for the villager, and how the f*** does a villager turn into a frost wyrm? Weird, just plain weird. Good hero, btw.
Read the story and look at the model guy . She doesn't turn into a wyrm, she's a wyrm that got sealed in elven form. As for the model, I believe I changed it several hours ago. And now I'm stuck with the damn scroll
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just separate soledad and the wyrm would fine.
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lol, i don't like the wyrm idea, but the rest is good
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lol, i don't like the wyrm idea, but the rest is good
Why, don't you think wyrms are lovely?

And this is the meaning of "Soledad":
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The girl's name Soledad \s(o)-le-dad\ is of Spanish origin, and its meaning is "solitude". The name is from a Spanish title for the Virgin Mary, Maria de Soledad.
Soledad is a popular female first name and a popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census)
And there's also a song named Soledad (Westlife I think)
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A str hero that hits with a SCROLL? omg thats so scary! ROFLMAO

anyways, her abilities are not abilities for a strenght hero...first, they are all active, lol...and high manacosts in a str hero? wtf!

if you want to make a str female hero (totally ridiculous to thing its NEEDED) get a proper model, that might be imported, since there is NO female model in warcraft with "strenght" appearence...

but the worst thing is that you just made it strenght-primary, to say its a female with strenght, lol, and then you put the base strenght and strenght gain VERY LOW, so she will never have a decent damage...
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