[Bounty Hunter] Gondar Evolution

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Table of Contents

I.Foreword

II.Hero Introduction

III.Hero Statistics

IV.Hero Skills

V.Hero Skill Build

VI.Hero Item Build

VII.Hero Strategy

VIII.Hero Synergy

IX.Replays

X.Credits

Foreword
This is my first guide. This guide about a way to play with bounty hunter as a support/semi-ganker. I decided to make this guide since i noticed his uselessness as a ganker because he has no real disable. This build is a new hybrid, I hope to see more of like this to make DotA have more choices than just heroes. He doesn't have to be the killer to gain from enemy's death. This guide might bring him in the competitive scene.

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Hero Introduction

Bounty Hunters like Gondar do not play by the rules. His ideal attack pattern is to initiate from the shadows and stab you in the back. He'll keep this up if unchecked, and carries deadly Shurikens to deal high ranged damage as well. He also learns Jinada, which allows him to deal critical damage while slowing his prey down, allowing his strength to match his cunning later on. What sets him aside from any other killer, however, is that he doesn't work for free. Gondar can Track his targets, lowering their armor, monitoring their location, making them easier to chase, and providing a hefty gold reward if the poor sap winds up dead--which he makes often the case.

Gondar is a Draenei that is often called upon for his superior skills. Not much is known about his past, but his capabilities are extraordinary. Some believe he learned from a ninja clan while others say he was born with his amazing abilities. He is able to throw shurikens with extreme accuracy and has the strength to strike down any foe with his two swift blades. His agility is matched by none, and his stealth is inferior only to few. He is interested in the conflict for money alone, and is promised a large reward.

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Hero Statistics

• Hero's stats
• Pros and Cons

Affiliation: Neutral
Damage: 45 - 59
Armor: 4
Movespeed: 315
Attack Range: 128 (melee)
Attack Animation: 0.59 / 0.58
Casting Animation: 0.3 / 0.51
Base Attack Time: 1.7
Missile Speed: Instant
Sight Range: 1800 / 1000


Strength Agility Intelligence

17+1.8~21+3~16+1.4

Pros:
[+]Good agi gain
[+]Nice starting armor
[+]Nice sight range
[+]Cool ult (adds up farm)

Cons:
[-]Low hp and mana
[-]Countered by dust, gem and wards
[-]No AoE presence
[-]Ugly

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Hero Skills

• Shuriken Toss
• Jinada
• Wind Walk
• Track

The Bounty Hunter throws a shuriken at a target unit, dealing damage.

Level 1 - Deals 100 damage.
Level 2 - Deals 200 damage.
Level 3 - Deals 250 damage.
Level 4 - Deals 325 damage.

Mana Cost: 90/115/135/155
Cooldown: 10 seconds

Notes
• Damage type: magical
• Posseses a mini-stun, allowing it to effectively interrupt the target.

Author's Comment

I usually use this to cancel tp's and other channeling spells. Sometimes I also spam this to increase damage output usually after BS.

Passively adds a critical strike and maim to Bounty Hunter's next attack, has a cooldown.

Level 1 - 1.5x critical multiplier, 25% movement and attack speed slow.
Level 2 - 1.75x critical multiplier, 25% movement and attack speed slow.
Level 3 - 2x critical multiplier, 25% movement and attack speed slow.
Level 4 - 2.5x critical multiplier, 25% movement and attack speed slow.
Cooldown: 15/12/9/6 seconds
Duration: 3 seconds

Author's Comment:

You usually reach a lot of damage at level 5(time-wise) where most spell is lesser after reductions since almost all heroes armor are still low. Pair this with WW it will surprise the enemy and they'll try to run as an initial reaction use that as an advantage.

Turns invisible for a period of time. Deals bonus backstab damage. Transition time decreases per level.

Level 1 - 30 Backstab damage.
Level 2 - 60 Backstab damage.
Level 3 - 90 Backstab damage.
Level 4 - 120 Backstab damage.
Manacost: 50 MP
Cooldown: 15 seconds
Duration: 15 seconds

Notes
• Damage type: physical
• Will not break most channeling of spells upon activation.
• Invisibility is broken when the damage is dealt, not at the beginning of the attack.
• Has a fadetime of 1.00/0.75/0.50/0.25

Author's Comment:

This spell is so easily countered. Icefrog must have hated invis thats why he created a lot of ways to counter it. I use this to initiate kills before lvl 6. I also WW while chasing so the opponent can't think of backfire in case if he doesn't have invi counters. I also use this to dodge spell or last hit attack especially if the opponent' attack have a very slow missile speed.

Tracks an enemy hero for 30 seconds or until it dies. Allied units near the tracked target gain 20% movement speed increase. If the target dies, Bounty Hunter gets bonus gold.

Level 1 - 75 extra gold, reduces target's armor by 1.
Level 2 - 150 extra gold, reduces target's armor by 3.
Level 3 - 225 extra gold, reduces target's armor by 5.

Mana Cost: 70/60/50
Cooldown: 10/7/5 seconds.
Casting Range: 900/1050/1200
Area of Effect: 800 (aura)/925 (bonus gold aoe)
Duration: 30 seconds.

Notes
• Bounty Hunter will get the bonus gold if the target dies while the spell is still active, regardless of how it dies.
• Gives True Sight of the target.
• Tracked targets have a visual effect above their heads that is only visible to Bounty Hunter's allies.
• Grants 50 bonus gold to all allies (except bounty hunter himself) being affected by the track aura when the target dies
• Bonus gold will be added as reliable gold.

Author's Comment:

This is your toasted bread and farming skill. I use this at the start of the battle, chasing and when someone is dying. With its cooldown at level 3, it is spammable. Take note that it also give gold not only to your self but also to your team mates. Don't ever last hit heroes cause this spell will take care of the gold you want from that kill.

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Hero Skill Build

• Skill Build 1
• Skill Build 2

1. Wind Walk
2. Shuriken Toss
3. Jinada
4. Jinada
5. Jinada
6. Track
7. Jinada
8. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
9. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
10. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
11. Track
12. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
13. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
14. Shuriken Toss/Wind Walk
15. Stat
16. Track
17. Stat
18. Stat
19. Stat
20. Stat
21. Stat
22. Stat
23. Stat
24. Stat
25. Stat

Justification:

get 1 lvl of wind walk for escape then 1 level of shuriken toss to cacel tp or channeling spells. you max jinada first for the damage without using mana. then you max toss for more damage or wind walk if you need to scout that much but 2-3 levels of wind walk will suffice.

1. Wind Walk
2. Jinada
3. Shuriken Toss
4. Shuriken Toss
5. Shuriken Toss
6. Track
7. Shuriken Toss
8. Jinada/Wind Walk
9. Jinada/Wind Walk
10. Jinada/Wind Walk
11. Track
12. Jinada/Wind Walk
13. Jinada/Wind Walk
14. Jinada/Wind Walk
15. Stat
16. Track
17. Stat
18. Stat
19. Stat
20. Stat
21. Stat
22. Stat
23. Stat
24. Stat
25. Stat

Justification:

Get 1 level of wind walk for escape then 1 level of jinada for the slow. you max shuriken toss first for more burst damage but most of the time you'll be mana dependent. next thing you'll level is either jinada for more damage or wind walk for scouting but most of the time you'll find jinada more helpful.

Choosing between the two builds:

• Skill Build 1
• Skill Build 2

Skill Build 1
(30*.8929)damage lvl1 WW + (200*.8929) damage jinada + (100*.75) damage toss = 26.787 + 178.58 + 75 = 280.367damage 140 mana 6 sec cooldown

In speaking of lane harassment this should stand-out since this requires not that high mana and low cooldown although you'll have lower damage

Skill Build 2
(30*.8929)damage lvl1 WW + (300*.75) damage toss + (126*.8929) jinada = 26.787 + 225 + 112.5054 = 364.2924 damage 205 mana 10 sec cooldown

This build is more of burst damge which is trend now but requires a lot of mana and has longer cooldown

Its really up to you which build you want to go and your playstyle. I usually go for Skill Build 1 since i can harass the enemy more thus making our team's carry farm. When you go for Skill build 2 its more of burst damage thus requires you to kill the enemy asap else you'll get killed.

the damage that I used in my computations are the damage when bounty hunter has when he has all his core and at level 7.

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Hero Item Build

• Starting items
• Core items
• After Core
• Items not to get

• Build 1
• Build 2
• Build 3

Justification:

You start with 2 guantlets to make urn later. tangos for regen you could also try salve but i prefer tango. yes, he is a viable chick buyer since he play as a support in my guide.

Justification:

You start with 2 guantlets to make urn later. tangos for regen you could also try salve but i prefer tango. ring of protection to convert into basilius later.

Justification:

Ring of protection to be build into basilius later. then some tangos for stats which could also be made into wand if the need arises. then chick for the team.

• Build 1
• Items you might consider

Justification:

Building power treads boosts your usefulness. You can start with int pt and use all your spell then str pt when your being chased and then agi pt when your healing or attacking. Urn is for boosting your and your team mates' survivability since it could heal. Urn also grants you str which you need since you have a very low hp and mana regeneration is also important. You also make Basilius to increase your and your team mates armor. Just make sure you turn it to heroes when laning else you'll get your creeps to push further from your tower which means danger. Basilius also increase your mana regeneration and could be turned into vlads later or be sold.

Justification:

You can get arcane boots when your team have a lot of caster but its not much likely since gondar is designed to support dps carries. You can get bottle when you build power treads, use bottle when your power treads is on agi for full utilization. You can also contribute in warding. If the game goes with ward war go on with necronomicon since it has good synergy(look at the explanation below)

- Get this if your team needs the aura this doesn't only help melee heroes but also range ones since it has a damage, armor and mana aura. This also helps in pushing.

- This is an anti dps carry so this is coolnot really. it slows attack speed and movement speed. this also increases you survivability and your dps.

- Get this because of the aura to buff you and your team mates especially the carry.

- Hex is a priceless disable but the mana and mana regen is overkill.

- Your a support, why not plus it increases your and your team's survivability. This also helps in pushing since you make your creeps harder to kill.

- This item is also an anti-carry since it makes the enemy's carry softer. This also tears those supports ass hard.

- This is a triple synergy with your skills. you have a slow which means more hit for your summons. the true sight that the summons give will help you track invi heroes, in case they go further than the range of your summon at least you have tracked them already. the bonus ms that your ult give helps your summon catch fleeing heroes.

- You might say,"WTF he got track!". this is good for scouting. He might encounter other scouting heroes who is invisible.

- This is a cheap and better investment as an escape mechanism when wind walk fails so hard.

- Since you get OoV you can get this item if you're really rich and the game flows real smooth.

- If you're really screwed by those nukers go ahead.

- Get this if enemy got a lot of AoE nukers else get BKB instead.

- If you want to be a - for teh lulz. srsly, you can get this if wind walk is countered so hard that you'll end up dying every clash but force staff is a better choice IMO.

- Although you need to level up fast to get your ult at level 3. This item is only effective when you get it below min 15. This will only contradict to the rule of the support to last hit only to deny which means you can't farm that fast.

- You should not be farming.

- Although you already have the hp you still cant handle the degen so no.

- Its like getting this on riki

- Even if your supah cool, lothars could make you cooler that this.

OTHER ITEMS ARE SITUATIONAL!

Notes

-Use common sense, this is important
-Before you buy an item, you should think what your team needs.
-Every game has different situation sometimes [insert item here] works in this game and in other game it doesn't
-Everything is situational just go with the flow
-Every item is viable but there are always something that is better than the other

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Hero Strategy

• Early Game
• Mid Game
• Late Game

You could lane with your carry and babysit him. Don't ever get the creeps from your carry unless it is needed (i.e. he is trapped by creeps). You can also do creep pulling to gain exp and gold when the creeps are being too pushed.

When doing an attack:

1. Use Wind walk.
2. Let the lane mate hit the target.
3. You hit the target until it drops.
4. Use toss when the enemy channels a spell or tp'ing.
5. Don't last hit the hero, let your carry do it.
6. Rinse and repeat.

You should be joining ganks and clashes. 80% gank, 18% check pocket, ward, scout and 1% idle . Don't last hit heroes now you can last hit a little bit of creeps when the carry is not around maybe.

When doing ganks:

1. Check pockets.
2. Wind Walk behind the enemy hero, make sure its safe.
3. Let the initiator initiate.
4. Track by priority. (estated here)
5. Use toss to cancel stuff.
6. Don't last hit unless you're gonna finish an item. Don't worry, your track's gonna give you the gold you need.
7. Die for your carry. You should sacrifice yourself as long as you are sure that he could escape because of that sacrifice else let him die.

When pushing:

1. While you team mates are busy taking down towers, you should be scouting the place and place some wards.
2. If you spot an enemy immediately track and go wind walk, pop out when the whole team is around or you have sufficient team member.

This is where most clashes happens.

When clashing:

1. Spam track.
2. Kill supports. You should aim them. They are squishy, if not go assist in killing the enemy's carry or whoever your team's target is.
3. Spam every spell you have to increase dps.
4. Just do what you have to do.

Mini guide for track:

• Benefits
• Statistics
• Priority List
• Escape

for the allies:
[+] +20% bonus ms
[+] +225 gold if the target dies
[+] +50 gold for the allies near the target when it dies (925 AoE)

for the enemy:
[-] -5 armor
[-] sight to the target
[-] true sight to the target

1200 casting range - Means you can cast this at a safe place.
50 mana cost - Means this is spammable.
5 seconds cool down - Makes it moar spammable
30 sec duration - Means you don't have to cast this to the same target in one clash.
800 aura - A large aura for your team to have 20% bonus ms.
925 AoE - A large AoE makes sure that your team mates could gain from the bonus gold.
true sight / sight bonus - Makes your target visible means you know where he's going and chase him to death.

1. Invi heroes
2. Blinkers or escape artists
3. Carry
4. Support
5. Escape Mech heroes

Justification:

1. I recommend invi heroes to be the first in the list because they are so frustrating and they might just kill your key heroes before you kill one from them(i.e. riki-he might just blink and smoke its better if you know his location, slark-he could escape and return with full health later you should take him down asap , etc.. )

2. The second priority are heroes who have blink or pseudo-blink. It's better to know they're location before they could blink and juke away.

3. Carries should get track for lesser armor and its easier for you to chase if he starts to run. A team who have a carry down means they have half of they're power down.

4. Support should receive the track since you are the one in charge to ring them down before they do their shit.

5. Heroes that have escape mechanism should had been track before they escape. They should be track for if they call backup you would know. Also they can be easily killed.

Since track give a bonus 20% ms, this means you have a movespeed advantage for most heroes. You could also take advantage of the sight that it gives since you can tell where he's going and then you can always juke to escape.

Here's a link which shows where I learn about juking:
Dr.Galiza's Escape Maneuvers - DotA Guides

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Hero Synergy

• Synergy
• Counters

~Any dps carry.
~Minus armor team.
~Any hero who benefits from -armor, extra ms, slow for the enemy, and a gank initiator.

~especial mention:


I really like to lane with her because of the silent and the slow. The enemy that we are chasing is like crawling yet he can't shout for help. Its a merciless kill.


Good synergy. He benefits from the movespeed granted by track and the slow from jinada.


Good synergy. He benefits from the ms that the track grants, he's like an african runner except he's white. Also the slow from jinada makes his job easier but it doesn't have synergy with his ulti but at least you get force staff.


The stun and terrorwave has a good synergy its awesome to go roam with her

~Tanky opponents.
~Spell casters.
~Anti invis
~Silence since he should be using his skills to be effective.

especial mention:

- Do i have to state it here? he's a global counter. He's not gonna prioritize you anyway but just be aware.

- His ulti owns you but you can use that to bait yourself for his death.

- He is "the counter". You should be the one who's gonna bring him down before he fucks up your team.

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Replays

Still underdevelopment.

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Credits

playdota For some knowledge and the pics.
imnotsonoob- For a lot of help
DrGaliza's guide- For the juking guide which contributes to my guide.
Ultra_Rasengan- For fixing my guide.
and other who commented which helped me in this guide.

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[iamyourbro1]

if gondar can support, then slardar can too !! u should also write a guide about supporting slardar so that we can see how 'smart' you are !

[GuardiANgel]

Originally Posted by toasta

- this is an anti dps carry so this is cool.

The most useless and crappy item in DotA is cool?

Gondar as support?

[Clear]

Originally Posted by GuardiANgel

The most useless and crappy item in DotA is cool?

Gondar as support?

why not cool the maim gives slow in attack speed for 30%!! isn't that a good way to counter dps hero with bkb?

please read the foreword and by the way im not finished yet, im still gonna edit my guide to make the words pleasing and to correct some ideas after i finished the credits

[Knovanangel]

For all nubbard haters
1)go play gondar as a carry with vlads,Bfury
2)get owned like shit
3) QQ at forums as gondar is shit
.
Edit- i tried urn on gondar today & it was great free "charges" during a team fight.. sadly we lost due to lack of late game carries

[iamyourbro1]

the not so cool item of dota is bloodstone ! it is totally useless except for invoker, storm etc.. does gondar needs THAT much of mana regen ? if you love support so much go play dazzle, kotl etc .. dont dishonour gondar, even thou he is ugly ..

besides , why support when you can KS ? you should do that epic track + shuriken toss + dagon move ! you will get beyond godlike in no time ! hohoho !! there are also more excitement in KS compared to support ^^

if u wanna support, where r the wards ? dont tell me you dunno what's WARDS..

in addition , track + dagon + shuriken = @(^ . ^ )@
you will get scolded by your teammates for sure ! which you will anyway, if you use gondar to support ...

lastly, forgive me for my impertinence.. cuz i dont see the word 'support' in G-O-N-D-A-R ..

[Knovanangel]

^ lol u mad. ever played gondar which helps your team instead of trying to be carry?? i remember clearly having run out of mana @ lvl15 in a team fight because of continuous track,shuriken,WW etc etc. Gondar can't buy wards/chik OK but dust/gem against invis heroes should be bought by gondar.

[Clear]

he hasn't seen competitive plays..im sure of that..

[mxt]

Notes

-use common sense, this is important

OT: Intrestion concept you got the OP, my only concearn is bh low str gain, but maybe that's countered by ww and such. Thoeretically this also makes you less of a threat to the enemy and maybe they will not buy gem/ward/dust.

I will have to try this out

[arisinhell]

Im really gonna try it just for the lols.

Please OP..please give us some replays..

[iamyourbro1]

competitive play sucks .. dota is for fun , not for ppl to compete . that's what i think . so KS is fun !! @(^ . ^ )@

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Originally Posted by iamyourbro1

competitive play sucks .. dota is for fun , not for ppl to compete . that's what i think . so KS is fun !! @(^ . ^ )@

teamplay is moar fun than playing as a hermit

[headshotS89]

Originally Posted by iamyourbro1

if gondar can support, then slardar can too !! u should also write a guide about supporting slardar so that we can see how 'smart' you are !

+1

You fail hard with this guide, gondar is not a full supp hero, and should not be played like this. Yesterday i played pub game with chen. I had bfury in 15min. Then i bought crit, armlet, bfly and assault. And i outcaried their bloodseeker solo mid. But that doesnt mean that u should play chen that way, or write a guide about it.
Gondar is a ganker/semi-cary. He is allmost never picked in mid-high skill games, coz of his cons. But if u play pub with gondar, try to rush bfury, deso. U will be able to allmost oneshot lots of heroes(from cm, lion up to potm). Try to buy ptreads, wand(or just stick), urn, bfury and deso.
p.s. For the guy that lost a game, coz no late game carry in team: gondar with bloodstone CANT win a game...

[Varuka]

Originally Posted by headshotS89

But that doesnt mean that u should play chen that way, or write a guide about it.

It's fine to write a guide about bad strategies.. I remember seeing a no-hook Pudge guide that was pretty interesting.

That said, even on support a support Gondar I wouldn't get bloodstone. If you want to contribute more, stack auras .. vlads gives +damage even to ranged heroes.

Arcane boots gives mana to allies, while treads are selfish.

I'd go mek / arcane / urn / wards / tp / (Force Staff / Necrobook). Necrobook has a double-synergy, in that the truesight lets Gondar track already invisible heroes (to keep them visible, regardless of leaving truesight range, etc.).

[Clear]

Originally Posted by Varuka

It's fine to write a guide about bad strategies.. I remember seeing a no-hook Pudge guide that was pretty interesting.

That said, even on support a support Gondar I wouldn't get bloodstone. If you want to contribute more, stack auras .. vlads gives +damage even to ranged heroes.

Arcane boots gives mana to allies, while treads are selfish.

I'd go mek / arcane / urn / wards / tp / (Force Staff / Necrobook). Necrobook has a double-synergy, in that the truesight lets Gondar track already invisible heroes (to keep them visible, regardless of leaving truesight range, etc.).

k ill add something that goes like this

thanks for the hint

[iamyourbro1]

what about the legendary DAGON ? u did not include in the 'buy' list nor the 'rejected' list .. i still think dagon is on the 1st priority , if you wanna play gondar as a SUPPORT ... KS = support yourself

[Clear]

Originally Posted by iamyourbro1

what about the legendary DAGON ? u did not include in the 'buy' list nor the 'rejected' list .. i still think dagon is on the 1st priority , if you wanna play gondar as a SUPPORT ... KS = support yourself

quit trolling else im gonna report you..

[antikiller88]

i drinking teh . when i saw a icon at meka and dagger i spill out on the table almost .
bh got track + moving speed 20% + s&y no nid dagger eh.... + track cast range so far so scare enemy come kill u ?
y cant bkb? if enemy got nukers windwalk go there and suicide?
y bh cant get butterfly?gv me a answer

[arisinhell]

Well i tried the following built(pubs ofc) and it worked really smooth.

chicken
Ring of protection
branches
tango
finish basilius
Urn
PT int
OoV

(3545 gold)

These items gave me a solid presence on the game but i admit i already had a good start and i farmed them really fast.

The item of the game was Urn as i got many kills with it and i constantly healed my teamates.

OoV had also great synergy with both jinada and track and coupled with his shuriken and Urn made him a great chaser.

Lategame got myself a deso 5 minutes before the game ends.


Imo Gondar can't really be played like a pure support (wards, low levels, etc)BUT more like a ganker/semicarry(i know its obvious) because he really needs some farm(supportive items,mana regen) to be effective.

[Clear]

Originally Posted by antikiller88

i drinking teh . when i saw a icon at meka and dagger i spill out on the table almost .
bh got track + moving speed 20% + s&y no nid dagger eh.... + track cast range so far so scare enemy come kill u ?
y cant bkb? if enemy got nukers windwalk go there and suicide?
y bh cant get butterfly?gv me a answer

meka - you'll get this if no one from your team is gonna get this..let's say your main support is railai and probably she's gonna be a ward bitch which means she'll be short on money. you could buy meka if your team needs the heal and it also adds up your defense.

dagger - as what i've said in the description its for teh lulz

bkb - i'm sorry i forgot to edit this but its because of my concept before that you're gonna die for your team with bloodstone and heal your team to victory.

butterfly - its too expensive for him. if he get sny or deso early he could get other helpful items like hex which is more helpful since he's introduced to be a support he also contributes to wards which makes it harder for him to farm butter

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Originally Posted by arisinhell

Well i tried the following built(pubs ofc) and it worked really smooth.

chicken
Ring of protection
branches
tango
finish basilius
Urn
PT int
OoV

(3545 gold)

These items gave me a solid presence on the game but i admit i already had a good start and i farmed them really fast.

The item of the game was Urn as i got many kills with it and i constantly healed my teamates.

OoV had also great synergy with both jinada and track and coupled with his shuriken and Urn made him a great chaser.

Lategame got myself a deso 5 minutes before the game ends.


Imo Gondar can't really be played like a pure support (wards, low levels, etc)BUT more like a ganker/semicarry(i know its obvious) because he really needs some farm(supportive items,mana regen) to be effective.

hmm ill try to change something thanks for this info