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Cp6uja_ has already been informed.
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Very well then. Just checking.
Once again, very well done for the victor.
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After going through the judges' remarks, I realized how the entire crossover thing ruined the story itself (at first I thought that it was slightly bad and can probably go just fine but further complications appeared later on). I thought that I broke the fourth wall when I made references about warcraft (hence some puns that went with it) but I guess those were not enough and is very insubstantial to the theme.
The fact that they don't have their weapons but Rylai has a staff is not an inconsistency though. I was trying too hard with Fridge Brilliance. All Indigo Tribesmen will have a staff as soon as they become members of their corps so technically, that wasn't her staff. Then again, such fact is only present in the Green Lantern story and I haven't justified it in my own story ( ). I also tried to hard to include a big part of the story by sacrificing too much substance.Anyway, I wish that everyone had fun reading my entry and I hope that the jokes got you into stitches (all lame puns intended). ![]() By the way, can anyone draw Rylai the way I imagined her to be?
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^I'd like to see that as well.
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Well for one reason, the examples given by -AvA- broke the walls inside the "game" that was made, and well, that metal gear solid part, otacon was still talking with snake, though it was addressed to the player. simply put, they are talking to each other and not with the player if "breaking the fourth wall" is deeply concerned. for one, otacon never did once said that "you" as a player is someone else, you are still "snake". though it's not relevant to anything, he is still addressing snake to do what you, the player, should do. Also, one more thing, the story was first person as others have said, meaning "you" are the bartender, which means "you" are in the fictional world of my piece of literature. "you" are inside the game, which is inside the piece of literature that I have written. "you" are inside a place that's inside another one if we'll follow your explanation. so that means, "you" are the bartender, who just realized he is not real. no, "you" did not realize that "you"are an "NPC" actually. "you" are confused as to what it meant, but what "you" realized about "yourself" is different. "you" still thought that "you're" alive, but was imaginary. "you" think of "yourself" as something made up by "your" own, meaning to say an illusion with "your" own thoughts. A person inside his dream, though "you" are not aware of the term for "you" do not sleep, and "your" data doesn't seem to have the meaning of the word. "you" are a nonexistant being. But if "you" were to think of "yourself" as an NPC, "you" would have said these lines, Quote:
If you were to think of yourself as an NPC, you would "realize" that you "exist". But no, you were forever imaginary, "you" as the reader, is forever imaginary. That whole world was imaginary in context. None of it is real in your eyes, though you live on. Meaning to say, the wall is deeply broken I should say. Why? For one, again, as what you have said, "you" are inside a game, which is inside a story. And in actuality, that story seems to be just an imagination of your own. But no, it "is" a game, and you are an NPC. You are an NPC inside my game, not in "your" imagination. You think everything around you is imaginary, but in truth, everything is real. You know why? Do you remember Emily? She's an artificially built 3D rendered character model wearing a T8 gear being played by a living human being, such as myself, I think, to lay off of her time talking to an NPC like you in a bar somewhere inside the game. She has sort of a hobby of talking to someone who won't talk back, but rather just nod and listen, like you. Now, as a human, and after all those years, she's probably dead. I know that hurts, but well, we can't stop human nature, but... Well, I guess "I" have the power to at least make you smile again for once now can I? Are you ready, Barkeep? Oh, sorry, I guess it won't hurt reading your cheesy lines again. Though it's really sad to hear that the only words you can really say are limited to that sad story of yours. I'd like to hear more, but that's the only thing I can put into you. Yes, it's quite sad, thinking that you're imaginary and is alive in a way or another, but in reality, everything you have thought so far, is still written by me. Yes, you are an NPC, and you cannot change that truth. You are an NPC, inside my game, and everything that you have read, or rather, have spoken so far is actually your dialog when someone talks to you, like what an NPC normally does. You are an NPC, that's actually, entertaining himself, and suddenly you realize, "wow" I'm an NPC? I never knew. But you do realize you are an NPC. You know that you are an NPC, you just don't want to believe because you think you "are" the reader of your story. The reader of your own dialogs. You thought the story was just a story for "you" to read, but actually, as an NPC, that's the only dialogue you have in my game. Weird huh? There, my kind NPC, is how I broke the fourth wall. |
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And the award is now given to WongKI. Again, congratulations!
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Hello asam, would you like another drink?
No, I'm kidding. Long explanation and here is my justification. 1. Even if the reader is inside your story as the bartender, that does not break the fourth wall and is probably more like "cross dimensional interaction" or POV, the latter being most likely. 2. The problem here is the boundary between real and not real. Even if the game was, say, WoW and that Emily's player is playing WoW, the fact remains that it is not real. Realistic Fiction, but not real. Why is it not real? Because it never happened, making it a story. Emily's player is part of your fictional world, making her fictional, and thus you can not say that she can be a real person playing like you, unless you're saying that you are also a "real person" in your fictional world. Now about Emily's character and the bartender/reader. They exist now in the third world, the game inside the fictional Emily's fictional "real person" player's world. That thus proves that this is a triple world scenario. Now the goal for BT4W is for the fictional world to acknowledge that they are a fictional world within the real world, either by direct contact or indirect contact or just by admitting it. Now here's the problem, the bartender/reader accepts his fictionality as an NPC, therefor proving that the bartender/reader is saying he is fictional in a game world. Remember, fictional in a game world, not a piece of literature that forces the reader into a POV that he fails to realize is a POV. 3. BT4W is, of course, fictional world to real world as stated before. Real world to fictional world is not BT4W. Even writing things as if it were the real world makes it a fictional world the moment it becomes written literature. Example: Reborned in DotA by WABN. The first part of Reborned in DotA takes place in the "real world". Did it really happen? No, thus it is a fictional world. |
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I'd like more explanation about the difference of "piece of literature" and "a piece of literature, which is about a game". Because, if we look at it, it "IS" a piece of literature, and is talking about someone realizing that they are inside a game. That he is "imaginary" in his terms. But that doesn't change the fact that they "are" real, but is inside a game, reading his own dialog. Actually, none of what you've said and read was real, since it's your dialog as an NPC. But that doesn't change the fact that you are reading your dialog, and by reading your dialog, you "should" realize that you are not real. It's like that max payne story if you look at it carefully. "He reads a letter that seems familiar to him." And you, as the NPC, is actually reading your dialog, which you have been saying everytime someone reads, or rather, you read your dialog. But then I realize it is real world entering the game world. That sucks. And if we'll talk about anything happening in the real world, none of what we've wrote so far have happened. If it did, it means we would have been telling a story about someone else. |
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In that MGS4 vid Otacon refered to "them think of next" which is a reference to the auditory/developers and thus the real world. In your story, asam, Bartender realizes his fictionality but he never refers to the auditory/author. Emily to whom he refers is another fictional character of the very same story.
It pains me to remeber that it was me who suggested deleting the "Being a glitched NPC inside a game sucks." But! That's not the B4W unless it's referring to the readers ie "You know, I just realized that being a glitched NPC inside a game sucks." For example in my entry the character addresses the auditory directly, moreover he has his meaning behind that. That's B4W. Your's is simply realizing his fictionality which is not quite the same as B4W. That example with Max Payne was the wrong example. Max realized his fictionality but he never addressed anyone - it was just his thoughts.
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spoiler works to.
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Oops, sorry. Edited.
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^ Now that looks better and neater.
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congrats to the winner. my sincere apologies for not able to submit my story due to unexpected condition i was into.again, my apologies. i hope i'm not banned from the next compt.
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^ Why would you be banned? You're always welcome here in FF & Lit.
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