Remake The Ancients II

darkhunter · 11-14-2010, 09:45 AM

Why was I not aware of this? O.o and what did you mean by no judges?

Nevfigalo · 11-14-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhunter

Why was I not aware of this? O.o and what did you mean by no judges?

And btw evfeed, check my thread again in the cth group. It's THIS link.

Especially focus on the judging suggestion, and see if you approve.

1. Well, I wrote about posting new RTA in RTA II and ask you to be judge.
2. No judge? Or no more judge? There is enough judge in my opinion (5).
3. Invalid link.

darkhunter · 11-14-2010, 10:04 AM

I sent you something, just check it out, and i misinterpreted what you said. I thought there would be no more judges to decide and maybe make it more democratic, which is imo not too hierarchical (which is the approved way of contests).

In other words, i thought there were no more judges for this, and maybe other people will vote and decide. But you actually meant that no more judges can participate. Anyway I am excited for this, Do your best guys.

ChaoS_ThronE · 11-14-2010, 10:10 AM

Evfeed- is that stated on rule?
If so, i just need to revert her name back, i think...

Sgt Failure · 11-14-2010, 10:58 AM

Anyone care to drop a review on me

?

teng) · 11-14-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Evfeed

It depends on judge/remakes.

Updated.

that's means the main challenge is QoP remake but not shadow strike remake?

Nevfigalo · 11-14-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by teng)

that's means the main challenge is QoP remake but not shadow strike remake?

Yes, the main challenge is QoP remake. I pointed only the weakest skill. In this RTA you can choose which skill(s) you remake.
Akasha remake is way harder than Krobelus one, where the Witchcraft obviously was the skill which need remake.

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Originally Posted by Sgt Failure

Anyone care to drop a review on me ?

I would like to but I can't.

Quote:

Evfeed- is that stated on rule?
If so, i just need to revert her name back, i think...

It isn't stated on rules, but...
-you can lose points from every judge
-I don't think Ice Frog will change name/title of any hero
On the other hand, it isn't something important. I will think about removing Hero Theme from Rubric in the future.

@darkhunter
Ok, I see.
I'm still thinking about that suggestions.

darkhunter · 11-15-2010, 12:59 AM

If anyone can make shadow strike SOUND related like the rest of her skillset: Scream of Pain, Sonic Wave, Blink, that would be great.

darkhunter · 11-15-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kira`

Threesome

Type: Active

Targeting: Point

Hotkey: R

Akasha Blinks to target point and creates 2 illusion along her path. She can switch position with any of her illusion whenever she wants.

I loled at the name

Kira` · 11-15-2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhunter

I loled at the name

thanks

seriously, sarcastic name like that fits her new theme (I proposed here) very well. I want to change the damage/pain theme into something more, which is masochist...or pain-maniac

ChaoS_ThronE · 11-15-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhunter

If anyone can make shadow strike SOUND related like the rest of her skillset: Scream of Pain, Sonic Wave, Blink, that would be great.

Um have you checked my entry? It's sound themed

ParaDise.- · 11-15-2010, 08:18 PM

So many Sonic theme...

Why all want to change her theme as a deadly Queen OF THE PAIN?

Fate Trap · 11-16-2010, 12:48 PM

bump

darkhunter · 11-16-2010, 11:33 PM

Before i send this suggestion to the studio art, does anyone want a banner for this contest?

fan.god · 11-17-2010, 03:25 AM

GL all

I always want to make sure I understand all of your ideas perfectly before judging...
@cp14: can u explain what u mean by "teleport to shadowlings"?

personal note: it feels so nostalgic, because the Queen of Pain thread is the first thread I read in PD forum. that is to say, I have read countless of attempts to remake/rework her. Hope I won't have to after RTA 2 and 6.70

Posmotri · 11-17-2010, 04:18 AM

my sleepless entry XD.
this remake emphasizes the pain and torturing theme of Akasha. Without Losing her banshee nature at all.

Skill	Description	Remake
Shadow strike	added some effects	Partially.
Blink	added some effects	Partially
Scream of pain	Added an effect	Tweaked
Sonic Wave	add an effect	Tweaked

Giving her a

higher spaming potential.

Queen of Pain
Akasha

Description: The Queen of Pain excels at mobility, area of effect damage, and ambushing enemy heroes. Although she is fairly fragile, her Sorrow Vanish skill allows her to dodge in and out of combat freely damaging nearly enemies, making her deadly on offense and nearly impossible to catch. When ambushing lone heroes, the Queen of Pain often uses Shadow Strike, which slows the target's movement speed and makes it difficult for them to escape and also summoning a small imp which damage a portion of damage taken that is increased with any skill casted by Akasha. Agony Sigh is an area of effect offensive spell centered on the Queen of Pain. Sorrow Vanish, Shadow Strike, and Agony Sigh make a deadly combination, allowing the Queen of Pain to do a lot of damage quickly to any nearby target. Since she can slow and Blink to catch up to retreating enemies to deals more and more damage each time, escaping the Queen of Pain is nearly impossible . Her final spell, Scream of Pain, is a one of the most powerful area of effect spells in the game, and can be used to finish off injured heroes or soften up the enemy team in large battles. The Queen of Pain is a powerful and versatile spellcaster, and due to her high mobility and strong offensive spells she is a favorite of many more experienced players.

Background Story: Akasha is one of the many souls claimed by the blade, Frostmourne. Raised to serve the Lich King as a Banshee, she desired to become pure substance once more. Driving deep into the forests, she was able to subdue and possess a Succubus minion. Rightly bearing the title, Queen of Pain, she enjoys nothing more than inflicting massive damage on her foes, using both the poisonous strikes of her succubus host and the vicious howls retained from her Banshee nature. Akasha breaks her enemies' eardrums with torturing screams, some so loud they manifest into powerful waves that ripple across the lands, shattering all in their wake.

Strength - 17 + [1.8]

Agility - 18 + [2]

Intelligence - 24 + [2.6]

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Affiliation:	Scourge
Damage:	45-53
Armor:	1.6
Movespeed:	300
Attack Range:	550

Shadow Strike

Type: Active
Targeting: Unit
Hotkey: D
Hurls a poisoned dagger which deals initial damage, and then deal damage over time and small imp will be summoned it deals damage based on the damage that takes the target and how many skills you cast. The poisoned unit has its movement speed slowed for a short duration. Slow, intial and imp damage quantity increases per level.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 80 13 seconds 400 N/A 15.1 seconds 40 strike damage,2% Max Life duration damage , 2% imp damage. 20% initial slow
2 100 11 seconds 400 N/A 15.1 seconds 50 strike damage,2% Max Life duration damage, 3% imp damage. 30% initial slow
3 120 9 seconds 400 N/A 15.1 seconds 60 strike damage,2% Max Life duration damage, 4% imp damage. 30% initial slow
4 140 7 seconds 400 N/A 15.1 seconds 70 strike damage,2% Max Life duration damage, 5% imp damage. 40% initial slow
Damage type: magical

Duration damage is dealt to the affected units every 3 seconds during 15 second. Stacks with it self on each recast.

Affected units slowly regain their original movement speed every second during 15 seconds.

Units afflicted by Shadow Strike can be denied by their allies when their HP drops below 25% of their maximum health.

Imp damage type: pure. which is dealed in the instant of taken damage..

Imp damage increases with each spell you cast; items dont count.

Stacks count any skill of Akasha including Shadow Strike itself. And they are counted only if they are casted in 500 radius or less.

If Scream of Pain is casted in less than 500 radius and have "Agony" buff, Strike gains Special Agony buff thats last as long Shadow Strike remain duration, but duration cant be refreshed or reduced .

Cons:
Lose a lot of early potential.

Lose 10% intial slow.

Because it is based in % deals less damage than a constant in early, but much more in late .

Pros
Gains a lot of potential on mid-late game.

Lose cooldown and increase spam potential.

Makes shadow strike more torturing oriented.

Sorrow Vanish

Type: Active
Targeting: Point
Hotkey: B
Short distance teleportation that allows one to move in and out of combat. Because of this akasha is not pure substance for small duration becoming inmune to damage for certain time, but takes some physical damage after cast. Enemies near of target area get damage in a small area, if they are directly inside of emerge point, damage is doubled.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 60 11 seconds Global 150(90*) 2 sec. 200 - 700 Range Teleportation, 50 Damage.
2 60 9 seconds Global 175(90*) 2 sec. 200 - 850 Range Teleportation, 60 Damage.
3 60 7 seconds Global 200(90*) 2 sec. 200 - 1000 Range Teleportation, 70 Damage.
4 60 5 seconds Global 225(90*) 2 sec. 200 - 1150 Range Teleportation, 80 Damage.
Most projectiles can be evaded if Blink is used before they collide.

If targeted further away than the maximum distance, Akasha will teleport 80% of maximum distance.

Damage type for Akasha is phisical and cant kill Akasha.

Damage type to enemies: magical.

*: the area of "area of target".

if Agony Sigh was casted before a max of 5 seconds, it put Agony status or refresh it for units in the AoE of Sorrow vanish uppon lading.

Cons:
Lose a some life on each cast.

Pros
Gives a new style to blink making it deal damage and double it if you are skill enough to land it, making it more fun to play .

Lose 1 second cooldown.

Agony Sigh

Type: Active
Targeting: Instant
Hotkey: F
The Queen of Pain lets loose a piercing howl, damaging nearby enemies soul making them fall into Agony*.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 110 7 seconds N/A 400(200**) 3 sec. 60 damage per target
2 120 7 seconds N/A 425(200**) 3 sec. 110 damage per target
3 130 6 seconds N/A 450(200**) 3 sec. 150 damage per target
4 140 6 seconds N/A 475(200**) 3 sec. 190 damage per target
Damage type: pure

Units not visible by Akasha will not be affected, even if they are within the range of the skill

Agony*: creep Units that have less than 10%MaxHp will instant die increasing by 3% the effect to any creep unit around. Heros are not affected by creep dying, only by other heroes and starts in 5% increased by 5%, duration is refreshed only on heroes.

** the max area between creeps to stack Agony status, Heroes are affected by the same AoE of the main skill.

Cons:
Lose a some damage.

Pros
Damage type is pure, meaning cant be reducted.

Lose cooldown and increase spam potential.

Very Usefull in farming.

Scream of Pain

Type: Active
Targeting: Unit/Point
Hotkey: W
Creates a gigantic wave of sound which deals heavy damage to all units in a line. Cutting a part of their soul itself.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 230 135 (100*) seconds 700 100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) 4 sec. 230+5%Max Life (320*+3%*) damage
2 320 135 (100*) seconds 700 100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) 4 sec. 320+8%Max Life (450*+3%*) damage
3 430 135 (40*) seconds 700 100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE) 4 sec. 450+10%Max Life (600*+3%*) damage
Damage type: magical

Can be improved by Aghanim's Scepter (* shows the improved values).

Can hit units up to 1200 range away.

If Agony Sigh was casted at least 3 seconds before The Scream gains Agony effect in the line only for heroes. If a hero dies under the effect of Agony count has a stack for every hero in the wave.

Cons:
Loses damage.

Pros
Gains a lot of potential on mid-late game.

Makes more sence with description.

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Nevfigalo · 11-17-2010, 04:42 PM

Updated.

5 days left.

Fate Trap · 11-17-2010, 05:00 PM

Rly want to change mine to what I'm thinking but I'm too lazy to type that much...

Sgt Failure · 11-18-2010, 03:33 PM

Silent Bump

JJE92 · 11-20-2010, 10:45 AM

Intention of my remake:

Maintaining her chasing and ambushing skills.
Making her more useful in ganks by reducing some of the main risks, but therefore making her even more positioning-dependent.
I don't want to change too much, because Akasha is already pretty good and I think many people like playing her. I'll focus on changing some parts of the workout and adding interesting and useful feats.

Remade parts:

Shadow Strike --> AoE damage added to all units the missile passes.
Blink --> subskill added: Return to location where Blink was casted
Sonic Wave --> extra effect added (disorientation)
Shadow Strike's icon
Blink's name and description and hotkey

Queen of Pain
Akasha

Shadow Strike

Type: Active

Targeting: Unit

Hotkey: D

Hurls a poisoned dagger which passes through everything until it hits its target. Deals large initial damage and then deals poison damage over time to every unit hit. The targeted unit also has its movement speed slowed for a short duration. Slow quantity increases per level.

	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	80	20 seconds	400	100	15.1 seconds	50 strike damage, 15 duration damage. 20% initial slow
2	100	16 seconds	400	100	15.1 seconds	70 strike damage, 30 duration damage. 30% initial slow
3	120	12 seconds	400	100	15.1 seconds	70 strike damage, 45 duration damage. 40% initial slow
4	140	8 seconds	400	100	15.1 seconds	100 strike damage, 60 duration damage. 50% initial slow

Damage type: magical
Duration damage is dealt to the affected units every 3 seconds during 15 second
Affected units slowly regain their original movement speed every second during 15 seconds.
Units afflicted by Shadow Strike can be denied by their allies when their HP drops below 25% of their maximum health.
Only slows initial target of this skill, but damages all enemies hit.

Sonic Speed

Type: Active

Targeting: Point

Hotkey: E

Fast movement at sonic velocity that allows one to move in and out of combat.

	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	60	12 seconds	Global	N/A	N/A	200 - 700 Range Teleportation
2	60	10 seconds	Global	N/A	N/A	200 - 850 Range Teleportation
3	60	8 seconds	Global	N/A	N/A	200 - 1000 Range Teleportation
4	60	6 seconds	Global	N/A	N/A	200 - 1150 Range Teleportation

Most projectiles can be evaded if Blink is used before they collide.
If targeted further away than the maximum distance, Akasha will only teleport 80% of the maximum distance.

Subskill: Sonic Return

Type: Active
Targeting: Unit
Hotkey: R
Returns Akasha at sonic speed to the place where she casted blink.

Mana Cooldown Range AoE Duration Effects
1 60 10 seconds N/A N/A N/A Returns user
2 60 10 seconds N/A N/A N/A Returns user
3 60 10 seconds N/A N/A N/A Returns user
4 60 10 seconds N/A N/A N/A Returns user
Skill can only be casted for 2.5 seconds after Blink was casted.

Scream of Pain

Type: Active

Targeting: Instant

Hotkey: F

The Queen of Pain lets loose a piercing scream, damaging nearby enemies.

	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	110	7 seconds	N/A	400	N/A	85 damage per target
2	120	7 seconds	N/A	425	N/A	165 damage per target
3	130	7 seconds	N/A	450	N/A	225 damage per target
4	140	7 seconds	N/A	475	N/A	300 damage per target

Damage type: magical
Units not visible by Akasha will not be affected, even if they are within the range of the skill

Sonic Wave

Type: Active

Targeting: Unit/Point

Hotkey: W

Creates a gigantic wave of sound which deals heavy damage to all units in a line and disorients them for a short time, making them wander around aimlessly.

	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	250	135 (100*) seconds	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	250 (300) damage, 0.5 (1) second disorientation
2	360	135 (100*) seconds	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	400 (450) damage, 1 (2) second disorientation
3	500	135 (40*) seconds	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	550 (600) damage, 1.5 (3) second disorientation

Damage type: magical
Can be improved by Aghanim's Scepter (* shows the improved values).
Can hit units up to 1200 range away.

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Explanation:

Shadow Strike:
I tried to make it a bit more position based and at the same time add some AoE damage to improve her theme. It's actually more or less a buff, but I think it's needed. The new concept of the skill is to hit multiple enemies if possible, but still, as the slow only hits the target, she will still try to focus that hero down, which is the essence of the skill.

Blink:
A small change with huge effects. It is a buff, but it costs the same amount of MP as a Blink, so it's sort of balanced. The Return makes it safer for her to go into team clashes (although she still shouldn't go in there too early, stuns will still own her). Furthermore, for a lot of MP, though, she can combo this with Scream of Pain to harrass or kill enemies without getting too deep into danger.

Sonic Wave:
The damage grows weaker through the course of the game, so I decided to add an effect which doesn't loose power. It also helps her to kill enemies more safely and finish the remaining enemies off after having killed one. Aghanim now focuses more on the bonus effect, improving damage only by a little.

Shadow Strike's icon:
I support this

Credits: http://www.playdota.com/forums/293519/akashas-overhaul/

Blink's name and description:
Just a small improvement. Blink is overused and I tried to give it a more unique flavour.

11-14-2010, 10:58 AM	#45
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fan.god Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: even with Gem, u can never find me Posts: 915 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Remake The Ancients II GL all I always want to make sure I understand all of your ideas perfectly before judging... @cp14: can u explain what u mean by "teleport to shadowlings"? personal note: it feels so nostalgic, because the Queen of Pain thread is the first thread I read in PD forum. that is to say, I have read countless of attempts to remake/rework her. Hope I won't have to after RTA 2 and 6.70 __________________ BEWARE OF YOUR DREAMS

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