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Old 11-10-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Very stronk strategy by DTS.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:21 PM   #5
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This was a total outpick. The surprise picks by DTS were great.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:24 PM   #6
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Status: Mind blown.

That replay was sure worth waiting for, so much win. You can't beat EHOME at their game so I am glad DTS didn't bother trying. This game was so thrilling, action all the time. Was watching that game at the edge of my seat.

Tremendous team performance by DTS, obviously. ArtStyle has grown to be such a good player. Unusual hero in a strat? Artstyle pulls him off np. Great captain, great player. Light made the best of his horrible laning and surely profited from his team entertaining everybody all game. Dendi, NS, Dread acting like one unit.

And EHOME? They didn't even play bad at all. Failure is nothing known to them, but their scheme didn't work here. Burning and J farmed quickly as usual. Despite being held down SF hat BKB and travels at 22 min. Same applies to KingJ. The constant buybacks made further inventory improvement almost impossible : D

Great moment at 36 min: SF ults Venge in Scourge woods! : >
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2nd tower down in 4 minutes. Nothing more needs to be said after watching replay. WP DTS, go win this shit.

EHome severely underestimated the survivability of sentinel heros, especially Enchantress with heal on. ES ulti + SF ulti failed to kill anything. DTS had a boatload of items and spells to keep their heros alive, and when Ehome wasted all their spells they were screwed.
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And EHOME? They didn't even play bad at all. Failure is nothing known to them, but their scheme didn't work here. Burning and J farmed quickly as usual. Despite being held down SF hat BKB and travels at 22 min. Same applies to KingJ. The constant buybacks made further inventory improvement almost impossible : D
Imo getting that BoTs was stupid. He didnt even fully utilise them. Going for a manta would have been better cause the images are good for counter pushing and dts had a lot of single targetting spells against which manta shines.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:05 PM   #10
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There's a new sheriff in town.

DTS was always known for unorthodox picks. I'm glad if 6.69c finally rewards such line of play.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:06 PM   #11
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I know EHOME beat DTS at ESWC, but were there any other matches where they battled as well?

Anyway, this was just a great strategy by DTS.You just can't beat EHOME at their own game, so they made their own rules and beat EHOME at it.
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Fucking awesome strat! Glad it payed off. European DotA ftw.
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I know EHOME beat DTS at ESWC, but were there any other matches where they battled as well?
I believe there was one more match played as well before the final but DTS lost that as well and they were sent to the loser bracket.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:34 PM   #14
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Just poor choices to take WR SF Razor for EHOME, forces them to commit to their lanes, ES and especially CM just a weird choice. Trilaning bottom was also an obselete decision after how picks went.

As I said, Dazzle and NS are really strong but unpopular for the strangest reasons. In a HP/survivability-first game, Dazzle provides team with early desos, neutralizes enemy HP/armor, heals, slows and grave, as well as high laning power. Enchantress also did a great job here as well, taking on towers for WR (and adding pressure to SF mid). The amount of damage and attention that she and Dazzle soaked up this fight was just massive. Panda showed off how strong he still is as well.

Massive trolling by the Sylla to handle the trilane.

Solid play by DTS

Also hilarious Aegis abuse by Razor

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Imo getting that BoTs was stupid. He didnt even fully utilise them. Going for a manta would have been better cause the images are good for counter pushing and dts had a lot of single targetting spells against which manta shines.
Disagree, BoTs were needed, because DTS was on the move all the time. So in order to be there when something happens he needed those. He couldn't make much use of them because the game developed into a siege situation at scourge base.

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Just poor choices to take WR SF Razor for EHOME, forces them to commit to their lanes, ES and especially CM just a weird choice. Trilaning bottom was also an obselete decision after how picks went.
I had a feeling that at the end of DTS first pick phase they anticipated what was coming at them - they chose ES as antipusher. WR and SF are standard first picks, burning doesnt seem to know to play much else, but his SF is great. I guess Razor was partly taken for his AoE nuke ... but yeah, the CM pick was weird. Veno might have been the better choice. Oh well, in the end I guess they were not able to think of a counter strategy in these some seconds they had while picking. And who would blame them?
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discuss more!!

just saw the rep and i couldnt stop grinning.
Justin is right, i was amazed at the massive amounts of damage ench+sp were able to tank so early in the game. The mid-kill on SF and ES by the two was mind boggling!

Also very-very timely shallow grave usages by Dendi-the superman. SG'd people would just back off and heal up quickly, and contribute to the team battle.
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this game is really worth recommended >.< but I still hope the parser would work as I usually judge a game by it before watching
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this game is really worth recommended >.< but I still hope the parser would work as I uusually judge a game by it before watching
Well the endscore board showed that Ehome's carries had twice-thrice times as much farm as DTS's carries...

But DTS still pwned them like np
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Here's an interesting image they displayed before the game, if anyone can translate I'd appreciate it :P

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Counterclockwise from the top: Teamfight, push, defend, laning, gank.

Ehome won 9 in their last 10 games.
DTS won 6 out of 10.
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discuss more!!

just saw the rep and i couldnt stop grinning.
Justin is right, i was amazed at the massive amounts of damage ench+sp were able to tank so early in the game. The mid-kill on SF and ES by the two was mind boggling!

Also very-very timely shallow grave usages by Dendi-the superman. SG'd people would just back off and heal up quickly, and contribute to the team battle.
Me and Azarkon do some nice analyses at gosu gamers if you want to read something about the game.
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yes read them .. post the link plz. really nice discussion of DTS strat and what can be done about it!!
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No I actually knew the result after the first 3 picks. Push strat and a very bad choice of first picks - wr and sf resulted in a game loss. Unless DTS has another good strat to surprice a Chinese top team I doubt they will win over such a team again. Ehome even totally outpicked and surpriced lost not that easy which speaks about the difference in the skill level of the both teams. You know usually the weaker teams opt for push strats in order to get a victory against the favourite.

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Starting from page 4 or 5 I think. My gosugamers id is ins to these that dont know.
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I am surprised ehome picked Razor, but it was pretty much a fail. Shallow grave counters razor's ulti so hard in teamfight.
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I am surprised ehome picked Razor, but it was pretty much a fail. Shallow grave counters razor's ulti so hard in teamfight.
Except that... razor was their only pick which turned out to work better than all of their others. If it wasnt for razor, i wouldnt have been suprised if Artstyle had managed a few rampages.

And anyways Dendi wasnt even aiming Weave at his own team. He was aiming it at Ehome most of the time.

Their most fail pick was Nevermore. If they had gotten Lion instead the endscore might have been different.
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No I actually knew the result after the first 3 picks. Push strat and a very bad choice of first picks - wr and sf resulted in a game loss. Unless DTS has another good strat to surprice a Chinese top team I doubt they will win over such a team again. Ehome even totally outpicked and surpriced lost not that easy which speaks about the difference in the skill level of the both teams. You know usually the weaker teams opt for push strats in order to get a victory against the favourite.

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A team is weaker because they opted for a pushing strat instead of a farming one....?
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A team is weaker because they opted for a pushing strat instead of a farming one....?
Well at least the history has showed that many times. The smart teams and DTS is one of them also know that. If u remember BG vs Aeon from ESWC BG knew they are weaker and opted for a push strat and won. As a strategist myself I have used push strats to surprice better teams than mine too. It is just a common logic.

It is another story that DTS often uses push strats, but not always. Turtling or farming is pretty much non existent strat since 6.64 era. The new meta game just forces one of the teams to defend in almost every game. You cant just go like that for meduza turtling, pl turtling, sniper stack, 3 lane pushing with potm, pl, krobe, magina and etc.
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A team is weaker because they opted for a pushing strat instead of a farming one....?
I guess his point is that if both play with the same strat the team that functions better / is stronger wins. So the weaker one has to resort to a different strat. The only two strategies there are really are pushing and farming: getting down the tree/throne with either pushers quickly or with farmed carries later on. I don't exactly agree, because perfect execution of a strategy is one aspect of being good. Thinking outside the box is another. And EHOME to me seems to be horrible at the latter.

Btw since I root for DTS I sure hope the participants of WDC don't read Arzarkon's analyses. He might actually have very good points and provide quite some insight.
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Well at least the history has showed that many times. The smart teams and DTS is one of them also know that. If u remember BG vs Aeon from ESWC BG knew they are weaker and opted for a push strat and won. As a strategist myself I have used push strats to surprice better teams than mine too. It is just a common logic.

It is another story that DTS often uses push strats, but not always. Turtling or farming is pretty much non existent strat since 6.64 era. The new meta game just forces one of the teams to defend in almost every game. You cant just go like that for meduza turtling, pl turtling, sniper stack, 3 lane pushing with potm, pl, krobe, magina and etc.
Well while using a surprising strategy is indeed an option for lower-ranked teams, but DTS is a good team, and if you noticed some of the biggest mistakes made by EHOME were their strategy-limiting picks (unbalanced WR, SF pick - bizarre late picks) and lanes (terrible idea to trilane). DTS just scored a heavy advantage before the game started, did excellent in the first few minutes and built on that, while EHOME put on a huge list of restrictions in what they could do that game.

If you looked at the NV.my and LGD game, along with the NV.cn + Chengdu (The second game played yesterday night) this was the case as well. The first game had one team getting a very specific item-set or style of play that seriously impacted the other, while the next one featured a slow destruction from a combination of a Brood lane and an unfortunate and early SF death.
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Except that... razor was their only pick which turned out to work better than all of their others. If it wasnt for razor, i wouldnt have been suprised if Artstyle had managed a few rampages.

And anyways Dendi wasnt even aiming Weave at his own team. He was aiming it at Ehome most of the time.

Their most fail pick was Nevermore. If they had gotten Lion instead the endscore might have been different.
yeah. Lion could be a better pick. razor was the only one actually farmed well. though he had the items to tank, to survive long enough to drain damage from enchantress, he is not that kind of 1v5 hero.
news says that ehome actually planned to pick druid, but dts just went before them
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Wow, similar strategy to NWO in RGC.

Btwn, Lion > CM for burst damage.

Congratz to DTS.
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Wow, similar strategy to NWO in RGC.

Btwn, Lion > CM for burst damage.

Congratz to DTS.
CM was picked to freeze 10 seconds the bear, thought i've never seen it done in the game.

EDIT: actually CM was picked after sylla ? So mindfart pick probably.
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I guess his point is that if both play with the same strat the team that functions better / is stronger wins. So the weaker one has to resort to a different strat. The only two strategies there are really are pushing and farming: getting down the tree/throne with either pushers quickly or with farmed carries later on. I don't exactly agree, because perfect execution of a strategy is one aspect of being good. Thinking outside the box is another. And EHOME to me seems to be horrible at the latter.

Btw since I root for DTS I sure hope the participants of WDC don't read Arzarkon's analyses. He might actually have very good points and provide quite some insight.
Yes Azarkon's analyse is a pretty good one and I think both me and him are on the oppinion that if Ehome just played their game and picked like they always used to pick they would have pretty much be able to counter this DTS strat. Unfortunatelly as Justin already noticed Ehome did very bad with the picks from the begining and later it was just too hard to recover.
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Wow, what an awesome game. Honestly when sent tried pushing mid after they had gotten the aegis I thought scourge would hold them off, kill them, and counterpush rax. Sylla trying to peak his head into base only to get completely wrecked, I thought that was it for sent. Scourge had a whole lot of aoe nuking power and sentinel had none. Scourge had 3 heroes farming like mad, and nobody had 100 creeps on sent i believe. On paper you would never think scourge lost this game. Awesome fucking play by the sentinel. Finally there seems to be a reliable way to defeat ehome and the so-called *asian* strat. WATCH THIS GAME!
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Default Re: [WDC 2010] EHOME vs DTS

Let's just say that Artstyle has a fitting name :3
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:33 PM   #39
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DC Former Coach of Ehome was interviewed:
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Q: Please give your thoughts about the recent match (ed: between Ehome and DTS)

DC: In the match that just happened, the opponent's tactics and execution were very good, whereas Ehome's tactic of protecting Lightning Revenant (ed: Razor) did not produce good results. In addition, the opponent's formation up top with Panda, VS, and Little Deer (ed: Enchantress) was well executed.

Q: Do you think the game that was just lost is a fluke? Against well-prepared foreign teams, should domestic start taking things very seriously?

DC: Losing is never a fluke. There are always reasons.

Q: We interviewed DTS and they said that they deliberately developed new hero line-ups and strategies for Ehome and other top teams, and are well prepared for the tournament. Do you think that Chinese teams have problems in the new version?

DC: In dealing with new versions, European teams are often better than Asian teams in exploring new line-ups and coming up with new strategies. However, once you reach the mid and late stages of a version release, for various reasons they are not really able to contend with Asian teams. This is a trend we must break, because it's not right. It's why we fall behind in innovation and development - there's a problem here. As a professional team, you can't keep using "results" as an excuse. This is because innovating allows you to achieve even better results and reach greater heights. This is an issue with ourselves. This time should be a lesson for us that we need to correct our attitude.

Q: How well do you think Ehome coped with today's confrontation?

DC: This is not EHOME, the performance is terrible.
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