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Old 11-11-2010, 05:22 AM   #1
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Default The 'BEST OF HEROES' DOTA Awards!!!!!!!!!


These are just my opinion, but I think they're quite accurate:

1. BEST SUPPORT
Omniknight
Why? With the introduction of Soul Ring, his team presence is just relentless. He seems to have limitless healing which also deals pure damage (same as Finger of Doom lvl 1). His repel can be just what you needed and slow aura is just sick. Name a hero that is terribly annoying right from level 1 with Soul Ring.

2. BEST PUSHER
Furion
I understand there are many great pushers (pit, brood, etc). But Furion truly takes it to another level thanks to free global Boots of Travel. Stack two spells of Ancients at hero's level 3(!) and your first tower can be gone under 8 minutes. It only gets more disgusting all the way to level 16. Get Scepter, global push every 60 seconds. Use Teleport WITH your TP. Your towers will NEVER go down. Oh yea, they also have 33% spell resistance now.

3. HERO THAT TAKES MOST SKILL/MASTERY
Invoker
I almost wanted to say PotM or Shadow Field for their skillful freestyle spells (arrow & raze). Invoker just has incredible depth. I remember last year, I started to get sick of dota then I got addicted to this truly unique hero. At my peak, I knew all combos in my head and emptied my mana in SECONDS with furious keystrokes thanks to 2cd scepter.

A skillful Invoker user would:
-Always have Forge Spirit up at all times, no matter what. Have them push even if you happen to leave lane.

-Use the damn imba Icewall. It makes me sick how pubbers never use this amazing spell. Have Invoker face sideways so the wall is casted down the lane. Absolutely amazing.

-Meteor FIRST then Deafening blast. By the time Meteor lands, they'll take full damage from the blast stun. I want to punch pubbers who cast Meteor alone. Same goes for EMP then Tornado.

-Don't think. Your fingers should always react with QQWRV for Ghostwalk.

-And if your brain is too fried, there's always that shitty but hilarious ROFLstomp build with self-Alacrity DPS with Desolator.

4. SEXIEST HEROINE
Drow
There are lots of hotties in Dota. Lina is up there, but you can beat that hooded goth looks. WR is just a boring version of Drow.

5. BEST TANK
Centaur
Axe got nothing on this beast. Dagger + Stun + Blademail = Absolute disaster. No creeps needed. His Return skill scales now. On an average game it will deal 100-125 magic damager PER volley. And that's before getting HoT.

6. BEST HARASSER / LANE PRESENCE
Viper
Oooohhh I can FEEL the opponent about to snap his keyboard. We all know SF is the best 1v1 lane... until Viper comes. He can orbwalk you to death and make you go back to fountain countlessly. Only Tinker can slightly scratch him. But just buy 1 bracer + 1 band instead of 2 bands, grab tangos and Tinker is shut down. With the massive Scepter boost, 4 branches + Point Booster opening is very sick as well (bottle if needed).


Feel free to discuss & add your own category
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:29 AM   #2
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Whatever happened to your Slardar homage?
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:33 AM   #3
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Default Re: The 'BEST OF HEROES' DOTA Awards!!!!!!!!!

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Whatever happened to your Slardar homage?
It would break this forum if I mentioned the almighty Slardar.

On a serious note, he's a good all-around tank with BKB. He's doesn't quite shine as a BEST OF one thing.

As for STR DPS route, I prefer awesome Sven or Mag.
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Default Re: The 'BEST OF HEROES' DOTA Awards!!!!!!!!!

1) NS on CM
2) Brood
3) Invoker
4) Akasha
5) Sven
6) Anyone with orb-arrow

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2) Brood


No way.

Spiderlings and Spiderites are super susceptible to AOE thanks to their swarming number. You have to pick Brood carefully depending on match up. They also give massive gold now in current patch.

Treants have much higher tolerance and they also have 33% resistance.

As mentioned, the most important of all is the global teleport skill. His ultimate is also for pushing for christ's sake.
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dazzle is best supporter than omni..

brood is better pusher than furion (have you ever seen furion banned or even picked in a single pro game?)

lion with some items is better than invoker

tiker will scratch viper?
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lion with some items is better than invoker
Lion has 'incredible depth/skill'?
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Lion has 'incredible depth/skill'?
did not get you... may you clarify?
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did not get you... may you clarify?
I picked Invoker as hero that takes most skill.

Then you said Lion with some item is better than invoker.

What.
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:59 AM   #10
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ofc no one has as much skills as invoker, this is as a count of number of skills, but i meant about the effeciency of skills during the games. thats all bro.
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did not get you... may you clarify?
I think you don't get it.Invoker wins the award for the most difficult hero to play/master , not who is the better hero ...
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:04 AM   #12
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@ Ramadan07 I think he meant the most difficult hero to mastery.
BM is better pusher than Furion, Best supporter for me goes to CM/Dazzle. And agree the rest with OP
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:38 AM   #13
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:43 AM   #14
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I don't get it. Why am I being specified as the one who should answer that question when, in general, he/she/it can ask anyone?
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Just look at the post count. He knows jack shit about our forum.
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i see you hate axe

but axe forces you attack him but with centaur we could just ignore him..

i am not sure who's really the best tank..
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No way.

Spiderlings and Spiderites are super susceptible to AOE thanks to their swarming number. You have to pick Brood carefully depending on match up. They also give massive gold now in current patch.

Treants have much higher tolerance and they also have 33% resistance.

As mentioned, the most important of all is the global teleport skill. His ultimate is also for pushing for christ's sake.
brood freely stand under web, have big ms, hard to gang, have regen, have imbaness ultimate, have nuke/push ability and passive slow for 40%. maybe pusher's abilities slightly off, but furion couldnt have such abilities.
hero should be estimated by all his abilities. cause else: alchemist - best damager, thanks to lowest bat ingame.
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Even though Invoker is actually my favorite hero, I believe, the hardest hero to master is Chen. The only hard part about invoker is to invoke spells fast, rest is easy. Chen, though, scares me...
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Even though Invoker is actually my favorite hero, I believe, the hardest hero to master is Chen. The only hard part about invoker is to invoke spells fast, rest is easy. Chen, though, scares me...
You could say the same with meepo.
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I don't get it. Why am I being specified as the one who should answer that question when, in general, he/she/it can ask anyone?
man, nothing personal, he thought that you are pro from your replay and you eould get him the best answer
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man, nothing personal, he thought that you are pro from your replay and you eould get him the best answer
Why would there be "best answer" if it only has one? KS can't be Kissing Scene in DotA, right?
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Why would there be "best answer" if it only has one? KS can't be Kissing Scene in DotA, right?
look bro, i will go to fuck my self now cz of arguing with u. you are very sensitive irritated faggot. gtfo
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Why are you accusing someone of being a faggot when you're the one fucking yourself? Ain't that ironic? And I wonder who's actually irritated right now.
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Why are you accusing someone of being a faggot when you're the one fucking yourself? Ain't that ironic? And I wonder who's actually irritated right now.
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Invoker isn't hard. You can go EQ and rape with your +100 dmg at lvl 8, with cold snap, spirits and sun strike you can just auto atack them to death. Meepo is waay harded since he is squishy as hell and you really need to be good with him to be semi effective.
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i see you hate axe

but axe forces you attack him but with centaur we could just ignore him..

i am not sure who's really the best tank..
Thought the same. Centa is best tank when enemy attacks him but they rarely do.
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10/10 epic trollXD

on serious note.....if you are talking about best pusher...it's sylabear
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Huskar harasses better than Viper.
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1. BEST SUPPORT
Omniknight

Completely agree with you here. Omniknight is a bitch and repel on any hard carry forces you to get a Diffusal or you 'will' lose.

2. BEST PUSHER
Furion
I'd have to say there is no 'universal' best pusher throughout the game. Late-game Slithice is a better pusher just because she can sleep the other team and whack the rax to death. Early game Broodmother is the best pusher in my opinion, before heroes have the skills to completely stop her push. I might agree with Furion as best pusher mid-game however.

3. HERO THAT TAKES MOST SKILL/MASTERY
Invoker
Tinker, Meepo, Chen, and Morphling are all up there. The only reason I mention Morphling is if you use Morph dynamically, which is the optimal way to use it, it is incredibly hard to use your skills AND control the flow of your stats correctly AND attack the right targets. I think this area depends on whether you're better at micro-ing multiple units or remembering keystrokes.

4. SEXIEST HEROINE
Drow
Agree I suppose. But this is mostly personal preference.

5. BEST TANK
Centaur
The problem with Centaur is that he doesn't generate much threat. There is not much reason to attack him given he has so much Hp and attacking him actually hurts you. I'd have to give this to Axe simply because he forces you to attack him and he has a stronger ultimate in my opinion.

6. BEST HARASSER / LANE PRESENCE
Viper
It might've been Viper before. But a good Shadow Demon is impossible to lane against. Nigh-constant poison and that retarded illusion ability make him ridiculous to lane against. Don't even try to lane against him if you're melee either, let alone a ranged without 600 range.
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1. Witch doctor >heals, stuns, amplifies damage
2. Best pusher? many heroes can push with efficiency...i think its better to focus on killing towers/raxing...which necrolycan and naga wins
3. Invoker mainly with meepo, chen coming close to 2nd
4. Drow, Lina, CM...
5. Medusa...the bitch that is a huge threat and has the highest EHP in game
6. There are tons of them so cant say best..
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However, Viper vs Gnoll in solo lane. Viper wins...
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Nicely done.

However, Viper vs Gnoll in solo lane. Viper wins...
I really don't see how.

Whenever Viper comes up to harass Gnoll, Gnoll can just illusion him and then Viper has to back or take damage. Whether or not Viper can deal more damage to Gnoll than Gnoll can deal to Viper with the two Viper clones may be questionable but my money would be on Gnoll and the clones.

Though in a 1v1 situation I imagine it would heavily depend on the items either has.
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Agreed. Gnoll is better laner. I wonder why icefrog didn't nerf him at .69.
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1. I would say Rhasta with his long disables and serpent wards being useful in many situations.

2. One very underrated pusher would be Techies. A single mine can wipe out an entire wave and deal around 100 damage to the tower at the same time.

3. Besides Meepo and Invoker, I personally find Tinker difficult to use at very high levels. It takes map awareness to TP to the correct lane a hundred times in one game as well as fast fingers and reactions to use so many actives in the span of a few seconds. I've seen less than 10 pros worldwide who were able to play Tinker at the highest level.

4. Nobody mentioned VS? The Chinese DotA video with voiceovers starring VS won it for me, but my personal top 5 would be Rylai, Traxex, Shendelzare, Mirana, and Luna, in that order.

5. Depends largely on items, but I think Syllabear could give Centaur a run for his money. Syllabear has slightly lower HP but higher armour and generally poses more of a threat in team battles.

6. I find Veno harder to go against in a lane than Viper. Wards harass decently and the DoT threat comes earlier as opposed to Viper Strike at lvl 6.
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Old 11-11-2010, 02:39 PM   #40
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I'm gonna throw my vote in for Rooftrellen as Best Tank. Monstrous HP and armor makes a very, very sturdy hero that takes little investment to keep up with damage. His active spells greatly support himself, his allies, and disable his enemies without warning. His ultimate is a fantastic long-lasting AOE disable that deals damage, making him worth targetting just in case he uses it to end any given battle.
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