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Old 12-10-2010, 04:47 AM   #1
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Default Counter of Batrider Solo Mid


If tell about game w/o team, usual pub, where only sometimes, very rarely, someone bother about teammates on other lines and coming to gangs.
Who could stay against him, but keep farming also?
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:49 AM   #2
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Windrunner, Medusa to some extent with wand, Sniper with take aim, Doom with the right neutral creep after level 3 (kobold or ogre magi)
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My favorite part in these replays are CM's deaths and her death scream. Must be the hero in Dota with most deaths. I just keep my screen on CM and follow her everywhere, just waiting for that Lion's Finger of Death to come off CD or watching enemy dots on minimap close in on her. And seems opposing team likes to see her die too.

I think someone should make a Youtube video - 30 mins of gruesome and horrible CM deaths in Dota.
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:53 AM   #3
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Batrider is the best anti-carry hero right now. If you're talking about a pub, the Batrider might not be good enough anyways, and just take advantage of that fact. If the Batrider proves himself, however, just try not to die, buy magic stick, and scrape last hits. If Batrider doesn't do enough damage in the laning phase, he's pretty much expended his use and you can proceed to dominate him in the later stages of the game. If you can get a friend, put Ezalor + Phantom Lancer mid and shut him down.

Perhaps Invoker's EMP+Tornado build/Nerubian Assassin's Mana Burn/Harbinger's Astral Imprisonment could help so he doesn't have mana to stack napalms, but the lane will still be difficult and it is totally dependent on player skill. Windrunner could work defensively so he can't hit you with physical attacks, but she will still most likely get outlaned.
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:55 AM   #4
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1. storm spirit with vortex and remmant can do well.
2. shadow demon with maxed disruption.

Generally, you need good general dota skills to do well, in fact, in counts for 60-80%, more so compared to what hero you use.

Try not to get more then 3-4 stacks on you, once you have about 3 stacks, hide in fog for about 7 seconds.
Do not go down cliff with more then 3/4 stacks, its suicidal.

Remember, surviving is more important then anything against batrider. If you really make a mistake early on and die couple of times, change lanes if you cant get a stunner ally with you.

Once you die twice, your level difference will probably be around 3, meaning you will be about lvl3, while he is lvl6. You rather leave that lane empty and farm forest then going back, cause bat will just kill you.

All in all, bat is one of the best solos, if he outskills you, you are dead. Be patient and call for ganks. Or die.

Edit: Magic sticks are overated against him, if you think you can solo him with 10 charges, think again. if he gets more then 5 stacks on you, your 10 charges are worth exactly 1 more sec of firefly, or 1 more hit from him.
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Windrunner, Medusa to some extent with wand, Sniper with take aim, Doom with the right neutral creep after level 3 (kobold or ogre magi)
Windrunner might work, but she will still be scraping last hits and Batrider will still be able to keep her off the creep line. Medusa and Sniper will get utterly destroyed. Doom has to get that Wildkin + RoB, and he will still have trouble winning the lane. Batrider is just a pain in the ass when it comes to the laning phase. Mana Burners have worked out well for me.
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:02 AM   #6
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Windrunner might work, but she will still be scraping last hits and Batrider will still be able to keep her off the creep line. Medusa and Sniper will get utterly destroyed. Doom has to get that Wildkin + RoB, and he will still have trouble winning the lane. Batrider is just a pain in the ass when it comes to the laning phase. Mana Burners have worked out well for me.
Actually, windrunner is one of the best counters, just get 2 levels in windrunner, the slow sort of counters bat's slow by slowing down bat and preventing firefly from actually touching you, physical immunity prevents bat from hitting you, and your high MS allows you to move back.

just make sure you have a chicken to ferry and early boot and constant regen.

Though if you get 10 stacks on you, you are dead.
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Windrunner
only if she turn back to tower once got 4 stack, cause after it even Windrunner will not save her ass.
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err... no
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died on level 3 like np
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havent farm at all, also killable
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invoker will die on lvl 2, 3, 5. Then Bat going to gangs.
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both of them will die once get 5 stacks, and -2 int for 1 min doesnt make spamming impossible.
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storm spirit with vortex and remmant can do well.
no way. if he will do vortex, he will die. Batrider is going to enemy's ass when has got lvl 2, even if Panda lvl 2 too, she will be slowed by Vortex and die much faster.
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How would pugna work out against bat?
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Actually, windrunner is one of the best counters, just get 2 levels in windrunner, the slow sort of counters bat's slow by slowing down bat and preventing firefly from actually touching you, physical immunity prevents bat from hitting you, and your high MS allows you to move back.

just make sure you have a chicken to ferry and early boot and constant regen.

Though if you get 10 stacks on you, you are dead.
But you won't be last hitting very well, and you will most likely be playing defensively. That's the pure beauty of Batrider, because he is one of the few heroes that can effortlessly keep the enemy off the creeps and at the same time get farm. Probably the best thing to do is burn his mana or just have a dual-lane mid.
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only if she turn back to tower once got 4 stack, cause after it even Windrunner will not save her ass.

err... no

died on level 3 like np

havent farm at all, also killable

invoker will die on lvl 2, 3, 5. Then Bat going to gangs.

both of them will die once get 5 stacks, and -2 int for 1 min doesnt make spamming impossible.

no way. if he will do vortex, he will die. Batrider is going to enemy's ass when has got lvl 2, even if Panda lvl 2 too, she will be slowed by Vortex and die much faster.

maxed? oO reasons?
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How would pugna work out against bat?
I said that they can alleviate some problems, but the lane will still be difficult. Plain and simple, he is a monster. The only way to negate Batrider's presence is in numbers.

Pugna could stand his ground but he will still play defensive.
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:11 AM   #11
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Windrunner might work, but she will still be scraping last hits and Batrider will still be able to keep her off the creep line. Medusa and Sniper will get utterly destroyed. Doom has to get that Wildkin + RoB, and he will still have trouble winning the lane. Batrider is just a pain in the ass when it comes to the laning phase. Mana Burners have worked out well for me.
WR because she has the best escape mech against batrider and still farm with powershot.
Sniper and Medusa, because their huge range and ability to farm with skills, benefit from stacked wand very much too.
Doom because stacking armor for a hero with 3.2 str is nice and lvl death & scorched earth is a good skills to face batrider.

I feel mana burners is not a good counter for batrider because he didn't have any mana problem just with Rob and Urn.
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My favorite part in these replays are CM's deaths and her death scream. Must be the hero in Dota with most deaths. I just keep my screen on CM and follow her everywhere, just waiting for that Lion's Finger of Death to come off CD or watching enemy dots on minimap close in on her. And seems opposing team likes to see her die too.

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Old 12-10-2010, 05:36 AM   #13
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Lesh/Pugna/WR can actually survive and last hit/deny using their 600 range, as well as their nuke (PS/Blast/LS) to farm/push/harass Bat at the same time and grab rune.
Nonetheless, they have to stay defensive to not have +4 stacks at any given time, and have to control the flow of creeps with their AoE to avoid facing Bat under the ramp.
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Just get back after 2 or 3 stacks and pack a magic wand. Not that hard, really.
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Pick Venom, get Stick/Wand, 1 lvl of Gale and max Ward first.
Last hit with Wards while you back off, use Gale to escape if necessary.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:12 AM   #17
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:23 AM   #18
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Naix with stout shield and wand can free farm against him.
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lol i think this will work best :O
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:35 AM   #20
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SF, trolololol.

Seriously, just get a Boots first or get one ASAP.

Other than that, try heroes like Bane/Lion/Shadow Demon/Destroyer/*Insert Disabler here*/*Insert Nuker here*/*Insert Invisible hero here*.

Oh and I forgot, try a Magic Stick too.
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SF, trolololol.

Seriously, just get a Boots first or get one ASAP.

Other than that, try heroes like Bane/Lion/Shadow Demon/Destroyer/*Insert Disabler here*/*Insert Nuker here*/*Insert Invisible hero here*.

Oh and I forgot, try a Magic Stick too.
imo if you are an sf vs bat you should get a stick first then level 1 raze asap to raze 2-3 creeps then by level 2 you have boots + magic stick and you are safe. you cant expect to go conventional skill/item build vs bat
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dark seer is the best solo counter.
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Broodmother is the best, buy ward if he bought it though
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Buy a Magic Stick and back off for a few seconds when he has like 5 stacks on you. That should be enough to counter him.

Brood and Bat neutralize each other: Bat can't do jackshit to a Brood, but Brood can't push as well with Firefly burning all the spiderlings to death.
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Buy a Magic Stick and back off for a few seconds when he has like 5 stacks on you. That should be enough to counter him.

Brood and Bat neutralize each other: Bat can't do jackshit to a Brood, but Brood can't push as well with Firefly burning all the spiderlings to death.
A Batrider can dive you from 3-4 stacks....
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I'd like to help too,mostly because I don't want to see batrider dissapear from top pick through nerfs:
Poorman's shield can deactivate sticky napalm when he hits you.
Ranged heroes who can spam escape spells using batrider's own spam (magic stick).Good example is akasha.

So yeah,grab a pms and get akasha/windrunner/mirana,problem solved.

Wait,did I just betrayed Batrider by mentioning that item?
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DS, Bane, PotM are fine counters to him mid.
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Bane seems good anti hero,but sleep lasts 4-6 seconds,napalm has a duration of 7 seconds and you are not from the fastest people to run...I'm just theoyrcrafting here but it doesn't seem the best choice.
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Old 12-10-2010, 09:33 AM   #31
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Bane seems good anti hero,but sleep lasts 4-6 seconds,napalm has a duration of 7 seconds and you are not from the fastest people to run...I'm just theoyrcrafting here but it doesn't seem the best choice.
Provided you are not retarded enough to let him stack >5 napalms, 4-5 seconds are more than enough to get safe. If he dives you further, you have that imba lifedrain that turns the tables.
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Old 12-10-2010, 09:45 AM   #33
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he's int, what about OD?
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he's int, what about OD?
Early levels of AI are not lasting long enough, and you can't drain his mana enough to prevent him from using napalm fly.
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Weaver really tears his lane control apart.
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QoP + Boots first is at least defensive enough :P
Not sure about how the farming will go though, should be able to get some last hits with her range and escape with high ms + blink. She needs a courier to counter possible harass.
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I somehow find Gyro with boots very very effective. Ususally results in kills for me instead of him. Can use flak to last hit if he is uberpro too.
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I'd like to help too,mostly because I don't want to see batrider dissapear from top pick through nerfs:
Poorman's shield can deactivate sticky napalm when he hits you.
Ranged heroes who can spam escape spells using batrider's own spam (magic stick).Good example is akasha.

So yeah,grab a pms and get akasha/windrunner/mirana,problem solved.

Wait,did I just betrayed Batrider by mentioning that item?
wait so if u have pms and bat hits you the stacks are removed?
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No. The only interaction I could see would be PMS blocking enough damage so Bat deals less than 40 damage, not triggering napalm. But you would still get raped by firefly.
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