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Old 12-24-2010, 11:33 PM   #1
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Old 12-25-2010, 12:21 AM   #2
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PT armlet (BF) Basher

kinda works on both but i'd suggest it on the tuskar for starters

vlad for lifesteal get an oov as orb though
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Old 12-25-2010, 12:23 AM   #3
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PT(str), Vanguard, HoT, Bloodstone, whatever other strength items you want for Phoenix.

As for Tuskarr, i'd say PT(int/str), Vlads, and any other DPS items, as his Walrus Punch goes off of his damage.
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Old 12-25-2010, 08:05 AM   #4
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Icarus:
i think dagger/loths is better for him 2nd skill is way to OP .. and dive can be used as escaping mechanism .. rad too ..

Tuskarr:
Just like sven but in a lot way different gameplay ..
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:35 AM   #5
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Ive been playing Icarus alot and for starters I go Wand/STR treads/Urn

From here on it depends on what the opposing team consists of, but generally I end up getting Hood/Linkings after
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Old 12-25-2010, 12:59 PM   #6
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i bought wards with icarus and 6 bf with tuskar dude
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Old 12-25-2010, 01:40 PM   #7
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Icarus:
PT, Urn, Vanguard -> HoT, HoD (optional)
Luxury: Radiance, Skadi

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PT, Dagger, BF, Vlads, Skadi
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Old 12-25-2010, 02:39 PM   #8
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Seems like Phoenix is a nautral tank/support, so hp items, regen, maybe mekka etc.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:03 PM   #9
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Phoenix - Treads/Phase (situational), Mekan/Urn (I like going headdress as a starting item), Refresher (team fights, really gay), and Assault. Awesome hero.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:08 PM   #10
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For Tuskarr I go:
Wand, Urn, PTs, Orchid, Deso, Manta
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:11 PM   #11
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Icarus:
i think dagger/loths is better for him 2nd skill is way to OP .. and dive can be used as escaping mechanism .. rad too ..

Tuskarr:
Just like sven but in a lot way different gameplay ..
The disarm from Icarus Dive is simply too good to give up when you initiate, just using dive for escape purposes is a waste of the skill. Granted it's an amazing escape mechanism but it should be used to initiate as much as possible. Don't waste 2150 (or more in the case of Lothar's) on an item that is not needed for him. Instead put that money towards something more useful like strength items and survivability.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:14 PM   #12
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Seems like Phoenix is a nautral tank/support, so hp items, regen, maybe mekka etc.
this. make sure you get some armor as he starts with 0 and has a neglectable agi gain.
Basilinus early maybe. If you play agressive blademail is very useful as you can use your ultimate or heal yourself with birds after you tanked opponents with your huge HP.

For Tuskarr I suggest
Starts:
Power Treads, random starters (magicstick/wand ; bottle ; urn ; the new Janggo or Medallion is also useful).
Phase Boots aren't bad but make sure to not use phase after you activated your ultimate as it disables the critical strike.
Core:
Vanguard (as his spells easily take care of his earlygame damage ouput).
Random damage Item here. Stygian, Battlefury, Armlet.
Utility stuffs:
Dagger, BKB, Vladmirs etc.
Later:
Add more damage like MKB or tanky stuffs like HoT.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:29 PM   #13
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Icarus:
PT, Urn, Vanguard -> HoT, HoD (optional)
Luxury: Radiance, Skadi

Tuskarr:
PT, Dagger, BF, Vlads, Skadi
Not HoD or any lifesteal imo, his attack speed is terrible as he has crap agi gain, similar to Doombringer. Mek/Regen/Str items are better. Even with treads his AS is pretty bad. Skadi is viable luxury.

New Medallion works decently on him as he has a great initiation ability and is a ranged support/ganking hero.

Shivas is another luxury option. Armor will improve his EHP considerably, plus it gives him all the mana he'll ever need. The extra slow is great when used with dive/ult and ray.
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:36 PM   #14
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this. make sure you get some armor as he starts with 0 and has a neglectable agi gain.
Basilinus early maybe. If you play agressive blademail is very useful as you can use your ultimate or heal yourself with birds after you tanked opponents with your huge HP.

For Tuskarr I suggest
Starts:
Power Treads, random starters (magicstick/wand ; bottle ; urn ; the new Janggo or Medallion is also useful).
Phase Boots aren't bad but make sure to not use phase after you activated your ultimate as it disables the critical strike.
Core:
Vanguard (as his spells easily take care of his earlygame damage ouput).
Random damage Item here. Stygian, Battlefury, Armlet.
Utility stuffs:
Dagger, BKB, Vladmirs etc.
Later:
Add more damage like MKB or tanky stuffs like HoT.
Dagger? He has zero need to have a dagger in order to initiate due to Snowball, which is basically a team oriented dagger. Sure, you could use it to escape like every other hero, but he already has a massive slow, and a spell that creates blocking terrain, so he already has some pseudo escape mechs. Honestly push stick would be more useful to him than a Blink Dagger.
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Old 12-25-2010, 05:49 PM   #15
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Dagger? He has zero need to have a dagger in order to initiate due to Snowball, which is basically a team oriented dagger. Sure, you could use it to escape like every other hero, but he already has a massive slow, and a spell that creates blocking terrain, so he already has some pseudo escape mechs. Honestly push stick would be more useful to him than a Blink Dagger.
His snowball has a 40s cooldown while Walrus Punch only has only a 14s cooldown. Beside enabling to initate more freely and quickly with dagger it also allows you to jump into a group of allys and snowball them to the targeted destination alot faster and spontaneously.
There are a couple of heroes that are alot more versatile when they get a dagger and Tuskarr is one of them. It's not a core item on him but defenetly helpful after you got some basic equipment.
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Old 12-25-2010, 05:57 PM   #16
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imo tuskarr should get an early bottle course he can have the same rune awareness as rexxar with his sigil...
the rest has been said before
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Old 12-25-2010, 06:04 PM   #17
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My item build for Icarus is:

- Start with Sobi Mask, Tango, Clarity and 2 Branchs
- Get Jaggo and Boots
- Get Euls
- Change boots to Travels
- Get Mekkans

Explanation:

-While in Supernova, most auras tills work (Except Radiance) Janggo still gives to your allies the speed bonus
- Travels to get faster to the places were you need to gank
- Euls for more ms since icarus ms is crappy, and also the Tornado have synergy with his ulti, when you escape from someone and you want to cast ulti, but not sure about if the sun will be destroyed... Cast Tornado and the Supernova.
- Since most Auras still work the Hp still help your allies, the Heal from Mekkans have synergy with Icarus skills, since he spend a lot of his hp while casting.

Edit: about Tuskarr there 2 ways of Build him IMO:

In both ways I start with Phase, Jaggo and Magick Stick

1) You can buy BKB and BF to increse the damage from you ulti and make it AoE, also items like Deso are nice with his ulti but IMO Bf is the best
2) Jaggo have synergy with his Sigil, with not increse the ms bonus and the slow? Get Necrobook lvl 3 and Shivas guard for massive speed control.
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Old 12-26-2010, 02:27 PM   #18
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Not HoD or any lifesteal imo, his attack speed is terrible as he has crap agi gain, similar to Doombringer. Mek/Regen/Str items are better. Even with treads his AS is pretty bad. Skadi is viable luxury.

New Medallion works decently on him as he has a great initiation ability and is a ranged support/ganking hero.

Shivas is another luxury option. Armor will improve his EHP considerably, plus it gives him all the mana he'll ever need. The extra slow is great when used with dive/ult and ray.
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Old 12-26-2010, 10:48 PM   #20
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That Tuskar is a serious badass.

He brings incredible new stuffs to the game imo.
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:18 AM   #21
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Armlet+Medalion for Tuskkar.
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:22 AM   #22
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i think you guys have tuskar all wrong, you need dagger on him. how else are you going to spam that low cd on your ult?
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:54 AM   #23
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I honestly just rush radi --> heart --> plate/shivas. Boots and branches/gauntlets + tangoes to start.

Your ult and fire spirits heal you, soz...

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Old 12-27-2010, 04:11 AM   #24
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Agreed with dagger on tuskar (sounds like huskar :P). Pre-buff Walrus Punch, blink to target, attack, ice shard, and sigil if necessary. 14 second cd on ult (with around a 10 sec buff duration?) is darn awesome, and easily fits with dagger and shard cooldowns. Waiting on snowball's 40 sec cooldown sucks, and you'll find more opportunities to initiate/nab kills with dagger.
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icarus - soul ring is enough to dominate..
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Dagger Deso Divine Divine Lothar Travels on Tuskar makes him the ultimate ganker .
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:37 AM   #27
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if i use blademail and then supernova blademail will return damage or it cancel?
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:40 AM   #28
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So you farm 24950 gold just to go ganking?
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:18 AM   #29
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imo, tuskar needs some starting mana items in order to abuse his low cd spells (shards and ulti), usually pt int + perseverance or bottle if u're mid solo.
after that, it's a bunch of varieties...but my build is usually bfury, hex and janggo of endurance.

for phoenix, usually rushing vanghood, then proceed with items like linken, tarrasque or shiva for armour issue.
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tuskar - bottle, pt, medallion, armlet.

luxuries hot,satanic,ac

phoenix - pt, mek, bloodstone

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Old 12-27-2010, 11:25 AM   #31
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I would suggest a medallion for Tuskarr for its ultimate. And for regen
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:33 PM   #32
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tuskarr with a bottle + urn has no problems with mana. as u should be ganking anyway, urn will have a bazillion charges.

phase boots for fast movement around the map (do take care not to activate phase after ult though).

after some ganks u should have a lots of money to spare, i usually end up getting lothar, as it helps in both escaping and making surprise buttsex attacks with many flashing red damages
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:54 PM   #33
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I saw a guy get: Phase, Linkens, MoM, Basher, HoT, and idk what was the last item, I think it was a cuirass

I got these on Phoenix: Threads, Linken, Janggo, Vanguard, HoT, Cuirass/Radiance[I could've got radiance if I didn't keep dying so often]
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that icarus is bad-ass if teamed up with void... Dive + Timewalk -> supernova -> chronosphere= 5sec chrono+ stun from nova+ 1000AOE dmg...
OT: Icarus and Tuskar : that medallion is good, solves armor problem pretty good, and also considerably cheap. plus, -6 armor when doing walrus punch hits hard... no need for Stygian
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:57 PM   #35
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His snowball has a 40s cooldown while Walrus Punch only has only a 14s cooldown. Beside enabling to initate more freely and quickly with dagger it also allows you to jump into a group of allys and snowball them to the targeted destination alot faster and spontaneously.
There are a couple of heroes that are alot more versatile when they get a dagger and Tuskarr is one of them. It's not a core item on him but defenetly helpful after you got some basic equipment.
In a sense ANYONE can benefit from Blink, it's a great ability no doubt, but this is DotA, and resources and item slots are scarce. You have to spend your resources and use your item slots in the most efficient way possible in order to maximize your hero's potential and limit your enemies' potential.

Purposes of Blink and why it's not needed on Tuskarr:

Initiating:
You already have one of the best initiating skills in the entire game. Most battles last about 15 seconds so after you initiate with Snowball you will rarely need the Blink before another encounter occurs.

Chasing:
Tuskarr has a nice slow/chasing ability and an additional blocking terrain ability, which further reduces the need for Blink. After he initiates with Snowball he can use these abilities to chase remaining enemies.

Escaping:
Blink is a decent escape mechanism but you have a massive AOE slow already, which helps you escape. You can also Ice Shard a neutral creep zone to get vision then Snowball to it in order to escape. It's not as practical, but it's possible. If you really think you need another escape mech then get Force Staff as it gives you some useful stats and cannot be deactivated like Blink.

In addition to all of this, you should be working with allies who will have slows/disables of their own, which will help you get another Walrus Punch or two after you initiate with Snowball.

In conclusion, 2150 gold can be used in better ways. Blink is not terrible on any hero, but there are much better options available for Tuskarr.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:00 PM   #36
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Tuskar need a blink? all hero need A Dagger... it depends if you pro and greedy!
Its 3 days when the patch release. i cant believe it when i played icarus and tuskar.. i think they are imba...

MY items build for tuskar and Icarus!

Tuskar: Phase Boots or Arcane boots , Battlefury , Lother , SAtanic, Shiva and Assault...

phase boots for more dmge when he ulti+ms!
Arcane boots cuz he need mana but when you have shiva the arcane boots is useless...
Battlefury is useful when you ulti the enemy.. it cleave your attacks..
Lother is for running and nuke attack.. Ulti 1st then lother (more critical)..Or ulti,snowball Then 1st skill (BeyondGodlike) and use lother for running..

Shiva is very useful cuz tuskar got a Disco ball.. He slows the enemy attack and speed... discoball+shiva= imba! -25+60 = -85 Speed attack..

Tuskar is Str.. Shiva+Assualt+Satanic is the best combo items for him..+armor+lifesteal+hp+mana...
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Icarus is my favourite hero...

Icarus: any boots, Preseverance (Refresher lvl 16 cuz his ulti has 11 hp so is hard to kill him ) , Dagger , Shiva... only....

boots? he Cant run he just use his icarus Dive for running and last hit.. Sun ray, then dive..(first blood)

Preseverance is useful for generation..and soon if the shiva is ready u can upgrade it to Refresher... It depends what enemy hero u have.. but if my enemy hero is bloodseeker.. i go for Linkin sphere for silence cuz i cant dive and ulti..

DAgger is very useful for him.. After supernova.. you can use dagger for running.. and also for 2nd skill..when it ready u just use dagger to tp near to the enemy and boomb (400dmge).. and yeah.. there is another strategy for dagger.. When it rumble.. u just go Dagger then Supernova.. after supernova go dive far away and use sun ray.. then if the enemy is near use Dagger to run away.... oh yeah

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Old 12-27-2010, 08:52 PM   #37
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today i saw a tuskar rape with satanic as his first big item. Satanic plus 4x crit basically heals him to full health again, making him a pretty insane tank.
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