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Old 01-03-2011, 01:43 PM   #1
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Default Could this be THE Icarus item build?


Probably we all have spotted the greatest weakness of Icarus --> base armor of 0. Other things is that Icarus's spells cost certain % of his own hp SO it is more important to have hp reg insted of just raw hp. So armor and hp reg it is:

Treads/arcane boots
Shiva's/AC (or both if you can get)
Hood--> Pipe
Linken
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Blink dagger (yeah i know it has no hp reg or armor but it just works)

Getting all of these in one game might be hard but anyway... What you guys think?
Think this idea is total or (me being the horse) ??
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:45 PM   #2
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Arcane,bracers,blademail.

Perfect synergy =/
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:46 PM   #3
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It could work considering those items boost his survivability. I'm not a big fan of Phoenix but I know that he needs to survive and tank a bit. Maybe?
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:51 PM   #4
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

not "THE" but definitely viable, mine is basillius, vanguard, treads and hood/linken

I don't really think he need that much mana regen from your build
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:51 PM   #5
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It could be an Icarus build, not saying it is the best one. Most of my items depend on the enemy heroes though.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:52 PM   #6
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It could be an Icarus build, not saying it is the best one. Most of my items depend on the enemy heroes though.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:52 PM   #7
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This topic needs more Bloodstone.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:53 PM   #8
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:53 PM   #9
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arcane, mekans, dagger, and if the game still drags on, buy refresher orb
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:57 PM   #10
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Guinsoo>>Bloodstone.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:34 PM   #11
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

Just finished a game where i played Icarus. My stats were 5-2-20(?) game had some leavers included so not a long game and i died very noobish death in the beginning (*cough* greedy *cough*) I didnt have that much cs but these are items i ended up with: Str treads, RoB, Shivas, Dagger. So anyway i add here replay of my game just so if some1 wants to give me any critic or something... NOT the best of me with phoenix but certainly not the worts either. Oh and this is still pubs so.... You know what to expect from players here
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:35 PM   #12
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Scourge has very high apm .
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:37 PM   #13
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I fail to see how a fucking phoenix who has spells that have over 9000 range needs more than a basilius and arcane boots to survive, throw a blademail if you are team raping.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:44 PM   #14
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Guinsoo>>Bloodstone.
However,he is hp dependent and requires much more mana regen to make the sun ray much longer to last.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:00 PM   #15
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However,he is hp dependent and requires much more mana regen to make the sun ray much longer to last.
it has f@cking hex in it!
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:15 PM   #16
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Which is worthless during Sun Ray anyways.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:58 PM   #17
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

pretty good but not THE phoenix build imo; if only bc its to darn expensive, he just doesnt need THAT much

been doing it myself with some variations, had sweet success with SR trreads shiva blink
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:01 PM   #18
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

what about
Treads
Basi
Medallion
Hood->Pipe

Basi+medallion gives nearly 10 armour, along with decent mana regen. Hood provides you survival against nukers and theregen is nice. Treads is for the bonus hp, although phase/BoT could work as well.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:13 PM   #19
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question is againts what line-up are you building this and what are your team mates? it's ridiculous to discuss certain item build without knowing in what situation you gonna play.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:32 PM   #20
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treads, linkens, radiance, heart, assault
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:53 PM   #21
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

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what about
Treads
Basi
Medallion
Hood->Pipe

Basi+medallion gives nearly 10 armour, along with decent mana regen. Hood provides you survival against nukers and theregen is nice. Treads is for the bonus hp, although phase/BoT could work as well.
Medallion is something that i havent even thought about but i will give it a try right NOW. I might add another replay here since i got new item build in mind (cheaper one).
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:36 PM   #22
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lol your item build costs over 20000 gold.
all you need is an urn pt and a couple of bracers and ur ready to rape.
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:48 AM   #23
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Default Re: Could this be THE Icarus item build?

I'm buying couple of Bracers, Meka + Linken's. Boring but works. Both AC + Shiva's... uh, no.

then again I don't really abuse laser, but if you do Shiva's gives you the manapool.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:17 AM   #24
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I never run out of mana with phoenix except in the very early game
shivas is not necessary, it'd take a LONG time to use up all of phoenix's mana lasering

especially when u can completely restore mana/hp every 2 minutes
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:54 AM   #25
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Arcane boots + a ring of basilius + meka = increases your team clash presence. Hood -> Pipe is also great. Shiva's to beef up. Force staff for the lulz. Nuff' Said.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:47 AM   #26
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All i know is that a simple helm of iron will goes a long way, even if you don't end up making a hood.
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:52 AM   #27
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All i know is that a simple helm of iron will goes a long way, even if you don't end up making a hood.
True but making a mek gives roughly the same and is worth completing almost every game with him. Buckler + headdress is a lot like helm, and actually smaller components =p
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:45 AM   #28
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needs bkb.
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:55 AM   #29
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HP dependent? Not quite.. His skills reduce his HP by set percentages... So some armor and regen are better.. And his ultimate takes care of HP problems anyway.

Personally, I get blink for imba mobility and try to rush guinsoo..
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Fix'd. The old Bloodstone would've been a brilliant item for Phoenix
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:19 AM   #31
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I have no idea why most of you get arcane boots on a hero with spells with more than 30 seconds cooldown.
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why blink? he already have the DIVE..
but i agree on AC or Shivas, they give him armor, which he does not have
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:06 AM   #33
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Fix'd. The old Bloodstone would've been a brilliant item for Phoenix
It would've, but new bloodstone is still pretty good.

And as for everyone saying armour, he still needs a sizable hp pool before that armour becomes worthwhile, spell hp costs or not.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:20 AM   #34
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Sometimes I play Icarus with Orchid (The best mana regen besides Bloodstone and Hex) Of course, it won't be Icarus' core (I would choose Shiva for this), but sometimes Orchid can be useful for its decent AS and mana regen...
Urn is quite good for Icarus, IMO. Especially if you need mana regen and you are wicked sick, lol...
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:48 AM   #35
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treads, linkens, radiance, heart, assault
too expensive... heart is a good item anyway. he/she can shoot sun ray from distance without loosing regen.
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How about Necronomicon?

It gives some HP/MP pool and gives you something to do (and rape opponents with) while you wait for your burning ball to fall.

Plus, it goes well with Sunray's slow.
Necronomicon was buffed with the latest versions anyway, why not use it?
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why blink? he already have the DIVE..
because teh DIVE has too long cooldown

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but i agree on AC or Shivas, they give him armor, which he does not have
yeah but both AC + Shiva's is overkill imho, also redundant if somebody else already has either of them
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:33 PM   #38
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Well how about little something called Eye of Skadi? Have any1 tried that??
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Boots, probably treads, always handy with his sick attack damage, urn and basillus, mek i'd say is close to core, mek heal + phoenix heal + lasering down enemies + reviving fresh again makes for a very very annoying skirmish, it'll force the enemy to make a major move. throw in a chainmail or something. buy wards.

phoenix doesnt need that much if he has competent allies. his spells take %, you have more you lose more. never really liked hex, i'm pretty sure you can't use items in laser, he doesnt need that massive pool of mana, you cant use it in egg. yeah you can sheep and then what...laser them? laser them to start with and give the farm to someone else.

i just don't like phoenixes who farm all game for top items, he has a strong presence through out, so use it.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:39 AM   #40
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for me its always

rob
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headress (turned to meka after necro 3 or sell)
necro
shiva

never fails, necro does deterrent for ult and additional dps, rob and shiva for the armor, i rarely initiate with ult mostly just laser at back dive to support clash and re laser.
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