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Old 01-08-2011, 07:44 AM   #1
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In your honest opinion who is the best

Morphling
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Drow
Medusa
Alche
Lion
Tinker
Wind Runner
Necrolyte
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PotM
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Sylla
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:48 AM   #2
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YaphetS isnt the best SF, but he is damn good.
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:50 AM   #3
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YaphetS isnt the best SF, but he is damn good.
I think he is.

He is very calm and genuine with a very good reflexes and intuition.

Yamateh was the one before. But he lost to PIS AKA YaphetS
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:51 AM   #4
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YaphetS isnt the best SF, but he is damn good.
Then who do you suggest is? But this is kinda irrelevant since every statement is just a statement

Personally
Mor: AAA
Sniper:X!!
Drow: ZSMJ
Medu:Zhou
Alch:ZSMJ
Lion:X!!
Tinker: X!!
BM: YYF
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Then who do you suggest is? But this is kinda irrelevant since every statement is just a statement

Personally
Mor: AAA
Sniper:X!!
Drow: ZSMJ
Medu:Zhou
Alch:ZSMJ
Lion:X!!
Tinker: X!!
BM: YYF
no more opinios
Yay! we had the same opinion.

Well almost. because I think AAA, ZSMJ and Zhou are tied for Alche.

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Old 01-08-2011, 07:57 AM   #6
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Yay! we had the same opinion.

Well almost. because I think AAA, ZSMJ and Zhou are tied for Alche.

Anyways tnx
It's actually amazing how X, being one of the best gankers in the world be such a skilled semi carrier as well. Actually it's kinda scary
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Who is the best

Morphling Seaking
Clockwerk YYF
Sniper ZSMJ
Drow zhou
Medusa zhou
Alche ZSMJ
Lion dai
Tinker 2009, otherwise dai
Wind Runner maybe ddc? Yamateh? Chuan?
Necrolyte zhou
Broodmother KingJ or Banana
Beastmaster YYF or Demon
Puck Banana or Mushi
PotM Misery
Storm Spirit dai
Sylla maybe zhou?
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Definitely an honorable mention to xiao8's Specter and Morphling and KingJ's Visage.

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Old 01-08-2011, 08:23 AM   #8
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Default Re: If Yaphets is the best SF player then.....

Haven't seen 2009 for a while
yes xiao8's spectre, KingJ's visage is somewhat debateable.
I have to disagree with you on Mor though, AAA (imo) is the best out there
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Old 01-08-2011, 08:27 AM   #9
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2009 retired as a player around ESWC and coached for a while. He's currently a coach/manager for WE, a new team he's forming.

Yeah, Burning is definitely an amazing Morphling player. The thing is though that you could pretty much pick Burning, zhou or ZSMJ for any of the carries and not have anyone debate with you. Seaking is an inferior player to any of those three, but his Morphling is just as good and has carried Sunny and previously CHN to victory against China's big three. Since his Morphling is of comparable quality, but so much better than the rest of his heroes, I picked him.

The only person who plays Visage as well as J imo is XtincT. J is pretty awesome at handling any sort of high-micro hero.

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Haven't seen 2009 for a while
yes xiao8's spectre, KingJ's visage is somewhat debateable.
I have to disagree with you on Mor though, AAA (imo) is the best out there
Yea.

AAA's Morph is a beast although EHOME cant support his Morph very well against Disables. But his farming ability with morphling is just very consistent combined with his brilliant team fights decision, he can go on a killing rampage easily.
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Best is the ability to put yourself in good situations, make your own luck, and get your farm, no matter what. Please don't troll (irony!).

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Morphling Burning
Clockwerk xxf
Sniper X!
Drow burning
Medusa zsmj
Alche zsmj
Lion X!
Tinker kuroky
Wind Runner Kuroky
Necrolyte loh
Broodmother zsmj
Beastmaster xxf
Puck kev
PotM misery
Storm Spirit loh
Sylla zhou
Invoker pajkatt

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Do what he does then I'll take you into account next
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Hilarious wannabe. You're that kinda guy who uses Chinese identity on dota-league and watches every single replay at gg.net in 1x speed
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Yes, isnt it incredible that someone can be overall good at DotA (actually no)
It is fairly incredible that a player can be considered the best in the world at two heroes with very little in common. It's not unheard-of - 820 was once one of the best hard carry players, and now he's one of the best supporters, Fear played hard carry with Nv.Int, support in EEDL/LDHL and now often middle solo for LOST - but definitely an accomplishment.

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Hilarious wannabe. You're that kinda guy who uses Chinese identity on dota-league and watches every single replay at gg.net in 1x speed
Wtf is gg.net?
DotA-League? Couldn't care less.
Oh I'm not saying I'm any better than you, because that's just a matter of opinion, but I'm NOT getting where you got that stereotype from.
Though I really can say i respect other ppl's points more than you, but that's still just my opinion. Care to deliberate yours?
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Morphling - AAA, followed by LK
Clockwerk - YYF
Sniper - X!!
Drow - ZSMJ
Medusa - zhou
Alche - ZSMJ
Lion - X!!
Tinker - X!! or Shatan a while ago
Wind Runner - YYF, but he almost never plays WR anymore :'D
Necrolyte - LoH or zhou
Broodmother - KingJ
Beastmaster - YYF/DeMoN
Puck - banana
PotM - Misery
Storm Spirit - X!!/LoH
Sylla - zhou
Invoker - Might be Pajkatt, haven't seen too much successful competitive Invokers otherwise.
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who is the best

morphling aaa
clockwerk hy
sniper x or zsmj
drow zhou
medusa zhou
alche aaa or zsmj
lion x
tinker x or 2009
wind runner aaa or yamateh
necrolyte zhou
broodmother zsmj
beastmaster yyf
puck mushi
potm misery but not sure here.
Storm spirit x
sylla zhou
invoker pajjkat :d

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imho

you forgot

visage (kingJ)
VS (820)
CM (357 or NS)
DS (830)
Batrider (dunno here :P)
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Ferrari from deity, tha- from Roccat, Hoonj from How.Korea, beho from Excretion and 830 from LGD all play Invoker. I have no idea who the best. Merlini's against DTS in the showmatch was pretty good, though.

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how bout Merlini's Invoker? They say he can cast all Kael's skills in merely 19 seconds
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Wouldn't surprise me if zhou was actually an android or something.

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CNN: Professional Chinese Players are actually machine!
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Tbh the "best" player of any hero is merely a matter of opinion, and there's no fixed way to determine it. DotA contains way too much variables to judge a player's skill like that.
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Dude, the way they play ain't human man. You can see it already. The whole list is full of Chinese players. If you watch their replay, their play style and reaction is unreal. They are machine design to operate certain hero with new technology call RTA (real-time adaptation). True story.
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Nevermore - Yaphet / Yamateh
Morphling - (No Opinion)
Clockwerk - (No Opinion)
Sniper - (No Opinion)
Drow - (No Opinion)
Medusa - Zhou
Alche - Forget what name but he is China team
Lion - Yaphets
Tinker - (No Opinion)
Wind Runner - (No Opinion)
Necrolyte - Zhou
Broodmother - (No Opinion)
Beastmaster - (No Opinion)
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AAA's morph is DAmn good. I can say.
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qwerty-'s spectre is damn awesome but r.i.p man
Yamateh is not the best player for sf, he is a KNOWN sf player cause there are SF players their that surpasses Yamateh, i vote for YaphetS
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God of Obsidian Destroyer:Yamateh (Still remember his legendary OD back in 6.48)

God of Zeus:Merlini (Self-explanatory)

God of Phantom Lancer:ZSMJ ("I lose Relic at 20 and farm another Rad by 27" Lancer)

God of Queen of Pain:Vigoss (Do I need to explain his godly Necro3 QoP?)

God of Shadow Fiend:Yaphets (Sickest SF player in the world hands down. Even Loda's a fan of SF)

God of Medusa:ZSMJ (Farms 44k worth of item against EHOME and win)

God of Meepo:Chu (The legendary "Chupo" Meepo was perma-banned against him)

God of Lion:X! (See his Lion performance during ESWC.)

God of Naix:JohnnyUtah (Is JohnnyUtah the Naix or is Naix JohnnyUtah?)

God of CM:Gx (World's best CM who doesn't feed, and babysitter of ZSMJ)

God of Weaver:Zhou (Before the change, he repeatedly raped dual stun lanes abusing Urna-swarm. Jaw-dropping performance).

God of Sand King:Mania (Even God does not know how many times Mania has played SK. Always impressive).

God of Storm:X! (I have yet to see X's Storm losing against anything. Incredible)

God of Beastmaster: Demon (Extremely solid BM, causing opponents ban BM against Nirvana.int during ESWC).

God of Ursa:Mushi (More or less brought Ursa to competitive scene)

God of Drow Ranger:ZSMJ (No questions to be asked)

God of Tinker:Snoy (His godly Tinker back in 6.59 never failed to amuse me. One of the first Tinker player to start abusing Perma-BKB).

God of Bat Rider:Taku (one of the only player who constantly use him. Bat evens gets banned against him from time to time).

God of Lina:Vigoss (Everyone knows his epic heart-stopping Lina performance)

God of Dragon Knight:Longdd (Inventor of ancient stacking farming, and amazing ricing he demonstrated)

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^ Nah. Any Chninese players nowadays can farm like Drow like ZSMJ.
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demon should be the best BM player around

which other hero did icefrog name after a dota player?
ive only seen merlini the zeus and yaphets the SF
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qwerty- Spectre and Meepwn Meepo (or Meepwn named himself after the funname, that is possible as well :'D). MeePwn solo'd the whole enemy team and got a Double + Triple (almost a Rampage) with awesome micro.
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Who is the best

Morphling
Clockwerk
Sniper
Drow
Medusa
Alche
Lion
Tinker
Wind Runner
Necrolyte
Broodmother
Beastmaster
Puck
PotM
Storm Spirit
Sylla
Invoker

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Old 01-08-2011, 11:31 AM   #39
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people bellow 19 are unable to understand, in their eyes zhou is superman and zsmj is batman
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Lakelz is the best morph imho.
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