[Tweak] Nortrom, the Silencer

[Hero Hunter]

Old Silencer: Silencer - DotA Hero Details

Changes are in green.

Curse of the Silent

Afflicts a target area with the Curse of the Silent. The target will lose hp and mana per second until it casts a spell. Lasts 10 seconds.

Mana Cost: 105/115/125/135
Cooldown: 20 seconds

Level 1- (7.5 hp/2.5 mana) + (0.1x Nortrom's int hp/mana) per second
Level 2- (14 hp/4 mana) + (0.2x Nortrom's int hp/mana) per second
Level 3- (20 hp/5 mana) + (0.3x Nortrom's int hp/mana) per second
Level 4- (25 hp/5 mana) + (0.4x Nortrom's int hp/mana) per second

Comments: I changed this skill from "fixed numbers" to "fixed + based on intelligence numbers". This will have synergy with Last Word and Global Silence.


Maths

Old CotS (priority skill):

Nortrom lvl 1 - 100 hp/50 mana
Nortrom lvl 3 - 200 hp/100 mana
Nortrom lvl 5 - 300 hp/150 mana
Nortrom lvl 7 - 400 hp/200 mana

New CotS (priority skill, without items):

Nortrom lvl 1 - 96 hp/46 mana
Nortrom lvl 3 - 192 hp/92 mana
Nortrom lvl 5 - 293 hp/143 mana
Nortrom lvl 7 - 394 hp/194 mana

As you can see, the numbers are almost similar, but it seems like a nerf because of the duration. However it is a buff because when you purchase some intelligence items, CotS will do more damage. After you will see how powerful CotS will be with his new Global Silence.

Glaives of Wisdom

Nortrom's Glaives are enchanted by his experience in magic. Damage type is pure.

Mana Cost: 15
Cooldown: 3/2/1/0 seconds

Level 1- Deals 15% of your intelligence in bonus damage
Level 2- Deals 30% of your intelligence in bonus damage
Level 3- Deals 45% of your intelligence in bonus damage
Level 4- Deals 60% of your intelligence in bonus damage

Comments: Nothing changed.

Last Word

Causes any unit under the effect of this aura to become silenced after it finishes casting a spell. If an enemy hero dies within 950 range or under the effect of Curse of the Silent, Nortrom will permanently steal 1 intelligence from it. Has a 900 AoE.

Mana Cost: -
Cooldown: -

Level 1- Lasts 0.75 seconds.
Level 2- Lasts 1.5 seconds.
Level 3- Lasts 2.25 seconds.
Level 4- Lasts 3 seconds.

Comments: Now it will steal 1 intelligence from enemies which die under the effect of Curse of the Silent, even when they aren't within 900 range.

Global Silence

Stops all enemies on the map from casting spells and steals intelligence from them.

Mana Cost: 250/350/450
Cooldown: 160 seconds

Level 1- Lasts 3 seconds. Steals 3 intelligence points.
Level 2- Lasts 4 seconds. Steals 4 intelligence points.
Level 3- Lasts 5 seconds. Steals 5 intelligence points.

Aghanim's
Cooldown from 160 to 80.

Comments: This skill will have a side effect: to steal intelligence from all enemies while they are silenced. In 5v5 wars (when all enemies are alive), Nortrom will acquire 15/20/25 intelligence points during 3/4/5 seconds.

Global Silence Icon from: http://www.playdota.com/forums/10789...t-compliation/

[DemonicTrashcan]

Sounds good to me, but personally I'm not liking the new Icon for Last Word, I mean sure the current one is... random, but this one is... lack-luster.

And I wouldn't label this as a Remake, but more of a Tweak.

[NoThlnG]

For ulti's aghanim upgrade, give only one of them. Both are way too strong.

T-Up for last word.

For CotS, I like the concept but the number is quite powerful. Sanity eclipse => 8/9/10 of int DIFFERENCE while this is 5 of YOUR int.

[DuKKY]

CotS is overpowered and i actually think its fine as it is.. Like the Ulti Aghanims upgrade

[Hero Hunter]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

For ulti's aghanim upgrade, give only one of them. Both are way too strong.

T-Up for last word.

For CotS, I like the concept but the number is quite powerful. Sanity eclipse => 8/9/10 of int DIFFERENCE while this is 5 of YOUR int.

Ok, I changed the number factor from 0.2/0.3/0.4/0.5 to 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.4.

[Witchking]

Cots is already a damn powerful spell and doesn't need another buff. Passive change is ok. Ulti buff is meh. Global silence is already very strong, and just needs a better CD. The temporarily stolen intelligence is not needed.

Agha's should only shorten CD, not also silence items. This is the privilege of doom.

Overall: T-Down

[Redeemed A.I.]

CotS is nice,only the ultimate and that weakling GoW need a buff.
I like the Aghanim's idea (especially the cd decrease).Also CotS stealing int from dying units that sounds pretty logical to me.

But I deffinetly don't like the icon for last word,it's like "last wish" or "last wish paper" or something :s

[Hero Hunter]

Originally Posted by Witchking

Cots is already a damn powerful spell and doesn't need another buff. Passive change is ok. Ulti buff is meh. Global silence is already very strong, and just needs a better CD. The temporarily stolen intelligence is not needed.

No, it isn't. In high level games, people still learn "Glaives + 1 Last Word + Stats" and skip CotS until they can (level 21).

[yami-joey]

Remove the item silence. Overall its a good idea. Curse is now a viable skill.

[Rassler]

Coooooooooooooooool
this concept is great everything is balanced quite well
T-UP
i support this one
this heroes name is silencer yet he dont have best silence(doom does)
so silence on item is a must-have for this hero

[FlamingFist]

Cots remake was good, as well as 3rd skill, how you incorporate COTS at it. Ill t-up on those skills.

Global Silence steal int is kinda null for me.

[Quiesce]

Why are we buffing the shit out of Nortrom?

CotS was given steroids.

T-Down

[Pinopi]

he is imba,everytime he casts global silecne he get int and if 5v5 he will get 25 int per one spell!

[Hero Hunter]

Originally Posted by Pinopi

he is imba,everytime he casts global silecne he get int and if 5v5 he will get 25 int per one spell!

It lasts 3/4/5 seconds.

[megboklek]

T-Up!!!! Love it, love it, love it!
Both CotS and Last Word changes are awesome. It doesn't really change the spell early but makes it effective/damaging later as well.
However, I don't agree with 2 things:
1) 80 sec cd, that's ridiculously low even with Aghanim's.
2) Int stealing for a time period is two-edged. Its purpose isn't only for the hero to gain some, but that the enemy to lose it as well. You just simply don't exploit it in your suggestion, because it only means int heroes lose minor damage. All enemies lose some of their manapool, but it doesn't affect non-int heroes at all since none of the opposing team can cast a spell under silence anyway.
How about stealing the same amount for longer time (3/4/5 isn't that significant, make it at least 2x that long) but restoring the original manacost - or even increase it a bit? It's really not that big of a problem for him and why lower it anyway when you gain manapool from stolen int? It's another synergy with CotS and Glaives.

[Infinite-]

Maybe add an scepter upgrade so you steal int from silenced heroes as you mentioned?

[Lord_Talron]

make stolen int the scepter upgrade (instead of silencing items) and:

How about stealing the same amount for longer time (3/4/5 isn't that significant, make it at least 2x that long) but restoring the original manacost - or even increase it a bit? It's really not that big of a problem for him and why lower it anyway when you gain manapool from stolen int? It's another synergy with CotS and Glaives.

anyways, i do like this tweak. its very nice

[Zangetsu2201]

Cooldown from 160 to 80. Silences both items and skills.

No. This is Doombringer's signature skill. It's unique and it should stay that way.

T-up for the buff on CotS, though!

[Hero Hunter]

Yeah, I changed Aghanim's upgrade: now it only reduces cooldown.

[SMMN]

t-up love the all of ur ideas w/o agha upg