Ogre Magi item build

Fiver · 06-16-2009, 01:43 PM

Not having to go for scepter has thrown off my item build for Magi. Only played one game with him (though he's one of my favorites), but I went for Mek early and only had about 40 creep kills midway through since I didn't get ignite and had bloodlust running for early pushes. Perhaps mek>euls>ginsoo>travs?

Wonder_Boy · 06-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Why eul's, then guinsoo? Did they change it back so eul's is needed for guinsoo?

Why Mek on ogre? He needs mana for spell spamming, and delaying mana/mana regen for a heal will not work well IMO.

I would think that with the changes to Aghamin's for him, bloodstone would be a great item to shoot for. You have a stun and a slow, so you don't necessarily need a disable (guinsoo/eul's), just mana capacity and mana regen, which bloodstone provides (not to mention the HP capacity and HP regen, part of which you were trying to obtain with Mek).

Fiver · 06-16-2009, 01:49 PM

Bloodstone is a great item, though I tend to think that magi is more of a support hero with killing capabilities. I think Eul's before ginsoo since it is cheaper and gives a disable.

Fiver · 06-16-2009, 01:51 PM

In any given battle he's going to get off 2-3 fireballs, a bloodlust or two, and an ignite....It doesnt really require too much mana. Getting a euls will extend the battle (as will ginsoo) and mek is a good team item

Afterburn · 06-16-2009, 01:58 PM

Arcane Ring > Bloodstone > Shiva's/Guinsoo.

Subseven · 06-16-2009, 01:59 PM

Phase, bottle, blood, guinsoo, AXE OF INFINITE KNOWLEDGE

tangiers · 06-16-2009, 02:00 PM

I think bloodstone is a good idea. I dont know if Arcane ring is the greatest though. If your team is pushing a lane, I think that you will have the opportunity to get more than 2-3 fireballs off and you want to make sure you have the ability to cast it as much as you can.

Karst · 06-16-2009, 02:03 PM

Ogre is a pretty great Arcane Ring user - he tends to roam a lot and help teammates get kills, and the only thing he really needs is mana to spam. Maybe a Force Staff to give yourself that little boost in certain situations. Heck, stun an enemy and then boost a party member closer to him so he can get a few more whacks in.

Fiver · 06-16-2009, 02:04 PM

Wow, bloodstone seems rather popular. Might as well give it a try. I think that 2x void stone are better than arcane ring, since arcane ring gives only 3 1/3 mp/s, while two voids would give around the same (wish the wiki were up to get exact numbers) and can be made into a bloodstone and ginsoo

Misaaaa · 06-16-2009, 02:16 PM

Phase boots Speed and armor
Euls Early disable and mana regen
Orchid DPS ITEM
Shiva TANK + Nuke

That is my standard build

ReVeRiE^ · 06-16-2009, 02:47 PM

Phase- Mobility, Armor, cheapest choice of boots for the ganking magi
Guinsoos- Luxury Item if not.. orchards for the silence and amplified damage
Bloodstone- Cheap useful parts, imo best core item on him
Shivas- Obvious synergy

Jesper2 · 06-16-2009, 02:55 PM

Guinsoo was better than scepter on Ogre before, and it's still the best int item, imo.

Still, Guinsoo's pieces are pretty pricey and Ogre (even if he has a great attack animation and a bunch of hps) is not the best farmer in the game.

The solution is to farm an Orchid before then go for Guinsoo if the game last longer. Orchid pieces are easy to obtain, and they gives Ogre mana+mana regen and a bit of dps too.

Orchid is a solid item on Ogre, giving him 60dmg, +30%ias, 260 MP and 225% mana regen plus Soul Burn. Combined with Bloodlust (50% IAS and 15% MS) it turns Ogre into a nice secondary dps source, giving him great support potential too (spammable stun, AoE snare, silence). Imo, Ogre is not meant to be played like a subpar Zeus, since he is so beefy, has a chaser skillsuit and has a spammable steroid spell too.

Guinsoo is the perfect luxury item on Ogre.

zorminster · 06-16-2009, 03:01 PM

When playing ogre 5s heres what I do:

Ring of the basilus + tangos to start. Yes, i do this even with a CM on the team. Spamming spells is important.

Next I grab BoS then a point booster
make phase boots
Perseverance
Finish bloodstone

For me, the extension items are usually shivas + vlads (if no one on team is carrying one; already have the ring after all) then if it keeps going i'll pick up situational items like guinsoo or linken. If i've been drinking about halfway through the game I realize i've got an ulti-stick though : /

tangiers · 06-16-2009, 03:36 PM

Maybe you should just see what your team needs. If you need more of a tank, go bloodstone, if you need another disable, get guinsoo, and if you need more dps, get orchid.

voodoo112 · 06-16-2009, 03:47 PM

get 4-6 clarities to have mana for early gangs and some tangoes
make phases for effective gangs and chasing
then arcane
and do a lot of wards to support the team

you don't need expensive items with ogre as 20 wards would do much better for the victory than hex or bloodstone

Archbound · 06-16-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesper2

Guinsoo was better than scepter on Ogre before, and it's still the best int item, imo.

Still, Guinsoo's pieces are pretty pricey and Ogre (even if he has a great attack animation and a bunch of hps) is not the best farmer in the game.

The solution is to farm an Orchid before then go for Guinsoo if the game last longer. Orchid pieces are easy to obtain, and they gives Ogre mana+mana regen and a bit of dps too.

Orchid is a solid item on Ogre, giving him 60dmg, +30%ias, 260 MP and 225% mana regen plus Soul Burn. Combined with Bloodlust (50% IAS and 15% MS) it turns Ogre into a nice secondary dps source, giving him great support potential too (spammable stun, AoE snare, silence). Imo, Ogre is not meant to be played like a subpar Zeus, since he is so beefy, has a chaser skillsuit and has a spammable steroid spell too.

Guinsoo is the perfect luxury item on Ogre.

100% wrong, Guinsoo was NOT better than scepter on Ogre, Scepter was almost a requirement for him to do anything because he would NEVER EVER get a damn Multicast without it.

0verp0wer_BR · 06-16-2009, 05:14 PM

That's right, Ogre needed Agh, but now Orchid seems great.

What about Multicasting a Soul Burned target?

Fiver · 06-16-2009, 05:14 PM

I think Jesper makes some great points, except that scepter was pimp on Magi....

haljordan · 06-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archbound

100% wrong, Guinsoo was NOT better than scepter on Ogre, Scepter was almost a requirement for him to do anything because he would NEVER EVER get a damn Multicast without it.

a stun and a slow are pretty useful to a team, coupled with the hex.

sceptre was a luxury for people who wanted to be a "killer".

DrDragun · 06-16-2009, 06:16 PM

How do you guys feel about Book on him? Manaregen will be an issue but manapool is quite improved and teh STR is never a bad thing. Ignite and Fireblast gives the creeps decent whacking time. Maybe voidstone then book?

06-16-2009, 01:43 PM	#1
Fiver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87	Ogre Magi item build Not having to go for scepter has thrown off my item build for Magi. Only played one game with him (though he's one of my favorites), but I went for Mek early and only had about 40 creep kills midway through since I didn't get ignite and had bloodlust running for early pushes. Perhaps mek>euls>ginsoo>travs?

06-16-2009, 01:58 PM	#5
Afterburn Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 44	Arcane Ring > Bloodstone > Shiva's/Guinsoo. __________________

06-16-2009, 02:55 PM	#12
Jesper2 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8	Guinsoo was better than scepter on Ogre before, and it's still the best int item, imo. Still, Guinsoo's pieces are pretty pricey and Ogre (even if he has a great attack animation and a bunch of hps) is not the best farmer in the game. The solution is to farm an Orchid before then go for Guinsoo if the game last longer. Orchid pieces are easy to obtain, and they gives Ogre mana+mana regen and a bit of dps too. Orchid is a solid item on Ogre, giving him 60dmg, +30%ias, 260 MP and 225% mana regen plus Soul Burn. Combined with Bloodlust (50% IAS and 15% MS) it turns Ogre into a nice secondary dps source, giving him great support potential too (spammable stun, AoE snare, silence). Imo, Ogre is not meant to be played like a subpar Zeus, since he is so beefy, has a chaser skillsuit and has a spammable steroid spell too. Guinsoo is the perfect luxury item on Ogre. __________________

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06-16-2009, 05:14 PM	#17
0verp0wer_BR Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Brasil Posts: 1,355 Blog Entries: 10	That's right, Ogre needed Agh, but now Orchid seems great. What about Multicasting a Soul Burned target? __________________ My Suggestions My Steam Acc + 0verp0wer_BR

06-16-2009, 01:47 PM	#2
Wonder_Boy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 183	Why eul's, then guinsoo? Did they change it back so eul's is needed for guinsoo? Why Mek on ogre? He needs mana for spell spamming, and delaying mana/mana regen for a heal will not work well IMO. I would think that with the changes to Aghamin's for him, bloodstone would be a great item to shoot for. You have a stun and a slow, so you don't necessarily need a disable (guinsoo/eul's), just mana capacity and mana regen, which bloodstone provides (not to mention the HP capacity and HP regen, part of which you were trying to obtain with Mek).

06-16-2009, 01:49 PM	#3
Fiver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87	Bloodstone is a great item, though I tend to think that magi is more of a support hero with killing capabilities. I think Eul's before ginsoo since it is cheaper and gives a disable.

06-16-2009, 01:51 PM	#4
Fiver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87	In any given battle he's going to get off 2-3 fireballs, a bloodlust or two, and an ignite....It doesnt really require too much mana. Getting a euls will extend the battle (as will ginsoo) and mek is a good team item

06-16-2009, 01:59 PM	#6
Subseven Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 209	Phase, bottle, blood, guinsoo, AXE OF INFINITE KNOWLEDGE

06-16-2009, 02:00 PM	#7
tangiers Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 30	I think bloodstone is a good idea. I dont know if Arcane ring is the greatest though. If your team is pushing a lane, I think that you will have the opportunity to get more than 2-3 fireballs off and you want to make sure you have the ability to cast it as much as you can.

06-16-2009, 02:03 PM	#8
Karst Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 311	Ogre is a pretty great Arcane Ring user - he tends to roam a lot and help teammates get kills, and the only thing he really needs is mana to spam. Maybe a Force Staff to give yourself that little boost in certain situations. Heck, stun an enemy and then boost a party member closer to him so he can get a few more whacks in.

06-16-2009, 02:04 PM	#9
Fiver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87	Wow, bloodstone seems rather popular. Might as well give it a try. I think that 2x void stone are better than arcane ring, since arcane ring gives only 3 1/3 mp/s, while two voids would give around the same (wish the wiki were up to get exact numbers) and can be made into a bloodstone and ginsoo

06-16-2009, 02:16 PM	#10
Misaaaa Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A dark humid place Posts: 730	Phase boots Speed and armor Euls Early disable and mana regen Orchid DPS ITEM Shiva TANK + Nuke That is my standard build

06-16-2009, 02:47 PM	#11
ReVeRiE^ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 51	Phase- Mobility, Armor, cheapest choice of boots for the ganking magi Guinsoos- Luxury Item if not.. orchards for the silence and amplified damage Bloodstone- Cheap useful parts, imo best core item on him Shivas- Obvious synergy

06-16-2009, 03:01 PM	#13
zorminster Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 14	When playing ogre 5s heres what I do: Ring of the basilus + tangos to start. Yes, i do this even with a CM on the team. Spamming spells is important. Next I grab BoS then a point booster make phase boots Perseverance Finish bloodstone For me, the extension items are usually shivas + vlads (if no one on team is carrying one; already have the ring after all) then if it keeps going i'll pick up situational items like guinsoo or linken. If i've been drinking about halfway through the game I realize i've got an ulti-stick though : /

06-16-2009, 03:36 PM	#14
tangiers Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 30	Maybe you should just see what your team needs. If you need more of a tank, go bloodstone, if you need another disable, get guinsoo, and if you need more dps, get orchid.

06-16-2009, 03:47 PM	#15
voodoo112 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2	get 4-6 clarities to have mana for early gangs and some tangoes make phases for effective gangs and chasing then arcane and do a lot of wards to support the team you don't need expensive items with ogre as 20 wards would do much better for the victory than hex or bloodstone

06-16-2009, 06:16 PM	#20
DrDragun Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 612	How do you guys feel about Book on him? Manaregen will be an issue but manapool is quite improved and teh STR is never a bad thing. Ignite and Fireblast gives the creeps decent whacking time. Maybe voidstone then book?