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Old 07-08-2009, 09:45 AM   #41
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Default mini guide to demolish (quelling blade)


it would never work.
orb effects aren't situational, you have them or you don't have them.
what you are talking about are buffplacers (the proc of sny places a buff).
another example would be crit/bash on ranged heroes. it's a buffplacer but no orb effect. in this case it would stack fine with quelling blade.
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:32 PM   #42
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could you please clarify on how QB would interact with Split Shot? If the primary target (the one that's right clicked, [A]ttack + left clicked or automatically aquired) is a allowed target for the demolish skill all other targets for Split Shot damage would get the 12% bonus damage?

so you'd basically hit 4x with 12% (48% total damage increase)?
or 36% considering the other 3 targets are the only desired ones?
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:11 PM   #43
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could you please clarify on how QB would interact with Split Shot? If the primary target (the one that's right clicked, [A]ttack + left clicked or automatically aquired) is a allowed target for the demolish skill all other targets for Split Shot damage would get the 12% bonus damage?
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so you'd basically hit 4x with 12% (48% total damage increase)?
or 36% considering the other 3 targets are the only desired ones?
depends on how you view it but yes.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:43 PM   #44
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I think this guide should be in advanced mechanics guide section.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:27 AM   #45
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Great guide, and thanx for sharing I have a question that i was unable to find in the mechanics, and i wonder if anyone thought about it : Does qb work on magical attacks or only on physical? And secondly, does it work with Return or Counter Helix, or anything similar?
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only on normal attacks. just like a critical.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:56 PM   #47
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Nice thread.Can you make a complete table to show which orbs stacks and which not?Just to be more eye candy
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:21 PM   #48
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Nice thread.Can you make a complete table to show which orbs stacks and which not?Just to be more eye candy
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:32 PM   #49
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Nice thread.Can you make a complete table to show which orbs stacks and which not?Just to be more eye candy
What?!

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the Orb effect overrides the Demolish skill fully, so no bonus damage. This is always true except for the Orb effect Feedback. This one stacks with demolish (feedback damage isn't increased).
The table would look rather silly.

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Old 10-15-2009, 06:02 PM   #50
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Does it works with Fury Swipes?
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Old 10-15-2009, 06:08 PM   #51
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Does it works with Fury Swipes?
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:03 PM   #52
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You mean like this table - Orb Effects - DotA Mechanics

QB on Sylla and his bear viable/possible? Picked up by bear at lvl 1, go farm, hit 6, form change and goes buy another on sylla. Then omit leveling bear to 4 until late game?
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That's correct, from a mechanical point of view.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:04 PM   #54
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Miniguide to Demolish based abilities

V. Interaction with buffplacers

There is none. as long as it is a pure buffplacer and not an orb it will stack with quelling blade.
worth mentioning here is that criticals are increased multiplicatively by demolish, bashs aren't

example: i hit an enemy creep with melee QB and a crystalis. Final damage=standard damage*1.32*1.75.
Does this mean, that if you have a Quelling Blade and Vladimir´s Offering your final dmg = standard dmg * 1.32 * 1.15 ?

not sure what buffplacers are...
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:11 PM   #55
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Does this mean, that if you have a Quelling Blade and Vladimir´s Offering your final dmg = standard dmg * 1.32 * 1.15 ?

not sure what buffplacers are...
Yes.
Note that the bonus damage provided by Vladmir's is based on base damage and primary attribute.

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Old 10-21-2009, 06:25 PM   #56
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:16 AM   #57
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Soooo just to confirm, quelling blade doesn't increase damage vs towers/other buildings? I could've sworn it did at some point after it was introduced.
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Soooo just to confirm, quelling blade doesn't increase damage vs towers/other buildings? I could've sworn it did at some point after it was introduced.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:44 AM   #59
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It doesn't affect buildings.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:27 PM   #60
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Does they stack in 6.64?
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:35 PM   #61
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Does they stack in 6.64?
Nothing has changed.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:33 PM   #62
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Moved to Advanced Mechanics Guides
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Hey, I've got a question, how does Nethertoxin (Viper's passive) work with QB? I think QB porcentage is taken from Base Damage + Nethertoxin Damage, am I wrong?
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Hey, I've got a question, how does Nethertoxin (Viper's passive) work with QB? I think QB porcentage is taken from Base Damage + Nethertoxin Damage, am I wrong?
If I read this guide correctly, QB's demolish is calculated before nethertoxin, so nethertoxin's +raw damage will not be considered for the +% damage from QB.
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nethertoxin adds the damage to the normal attack damage via an item damage ability and thus is increased by QB.
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Nethertoxin's bonus damage can be seen as base+bonus damage when attacking. It is kinda dynamic.
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nethertoxin adds the damage to the normal attack damage via an item damage ability and thus is increased by QB.
On that case, shouldn't the "Demolish attack damage modifier" be located after "Attack stats" triggers? I'm talking bout Don's guide.
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attack stats is nowhere mentioned in Don's guide.
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Typo, I meant "Attack starts", like Backstab, evasion and drunken haze.
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yes, attack starts should be directly under targetabilty.
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How would QB work with characters who have a built in orb effect, like brood mother? Can I safely assume that the QB wouldn't work after brood has skilled incapacitating bite?
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the only orb that QB works with is feedback, every other orb overrides it.
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Does QB's active part (tree chopping) have any interesting remarks other than it has 15 cd and chops trees from 100 range?

Btw I know bug discussion isn't allowed in the topic but can someone explain me what does this mean:

6.65 changelog:
Fixed bug with swapping with Kunkka and getting Quelling Blade
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:06 PM   #75
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Whatever, I don't want more people to learn it. If you didn't saw it Boris you can PM me.
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VI. Demolish on Images

It works on images as long as the Images don't have any orb effect except feedback or lifesteal. the bonus damage by quelling is also reduced by the illusion's damage dealt factor.
So, if YOU have lifesteal and quelling they do NOT stack, only the lifesteal works but if YOUR IMAGES have lifesteal and quelling they DO STACK?

Clarify it for me please.
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Lifesteal doesn't override orbs on illusions, and feedback stacks with QB. So QB works on illusions as long as they don't have an orb effect except feedback or lifesteal.
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DT: Demolish is unaffected by Armour AFAIK. So is the bonus damage from Demolush affected by Armour?
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DT: Demolition is not used by Demolish, unit keeps it's AT, DT. It's used by Acolyte's Unsummon Building, which damages with exact value, ignoring armor, but does not affect ethereal units. Don't know if it's used by anything else.
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Demolish only works together with Feedback when Feedback is acquired before Demolish.
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