[REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King

NoThlnG · 09-18-2009, 06:52 AM

Current Upgrade :

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Give one bonus pulse and reduce the cooldown by 20 seconds.

Suggested Upgrade :

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Reduce the cooldown by 20 seconds and REAL casting time to 1.5 seconds.

What I mean is, you still have 2 seconds casting time but the real casting time is only 1.5 seconds. The casting time after the real one can be cancelled without any disadvantages

Pro :
- Now aghanim can be a nice alternative for bkb or dagger because it almost guarantee a success on epi
- Easier to land Epi + Blink due to 0.5 seconds fake casting time
- No more 1 pulse loses
- More original and useful. Cooldown reducing is overused

Con:
- Less damage and same cooldown (can be adjusted though)

If you feel imba because epi can't be cancelled...

WhatIsEasyMode · 09-18-2009, 06:57 AM

Nah then Burrowstrike Epicentre would > Blink dagger.

A nice burrow strike to everyone, = perfect epicentre.

NoThlnG · 09-18-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WhatIsEasyMode

Nah then Burrowstrike Epicentre would > Blink dagger.

A nice burrow strike to everyone, = perfect epicentre.

Blink Dagger = 2100 gold

Aghanim = 4300 gold

Answered?

DuKKY · 09-18-2009, 07:33 AM

no! t-down sorry its fine as it is.. lowered cooldown is G_G

NoThlnG · 09-18-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DuKKY

no! t-down sorry its fine as it is.. lowered cooldown is G_G

Lowered Cooldown is good but 1 bonus pulse is really barely notice-able.

I can still give the cooldown reduction so it can't be the reason

thoby123 · 09-18-2009, 07:49 AM

that's a brilliant idea! would have much more impact on SK than +pulses, and more unique too. Might be a tad imba though, adding in reaction time and noone will able to interrupt Epi anymore.
T-Up for concept in any case.

DuKKY · 09-18-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Lowered Cooldown is good but 1 bonus pulse is really barely notice-able.

I can still give the cooldown reduction so it can't be the reason

no its not barely noticable you can actually see the extra effect it has! maybe i can because im a sk player

+if you made casting time lower no1 would get dagger. yes i saw youtr post about gold difference.. but its easier to build aghanims from 1000 gold pieces :/.. does all your suggestion do for aghanims improve casting time nothing else? cause i would rather have quicker cooldown + 1 pulse then a 1 sec casting time

NoThlnG · 09-18-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DuKKY

no its not barely noticable you can actually see the extra effect it has! maybe i can because im a sk player

+if you made casting time lower no1 would get dagger. yes i saw youtr post about gold difference.. but its easier to build aghanims from 1000 gold pieces :/.. does all your suggestion do for aghanims improve casting time nothing else? cause i would rather have quicker cooldown + 1 pulse then a 1 sec casting time

I can give quicker cooldown with little more casting time (1.5 sec casting with 20 sec lower cooldown).

Also, BKB cost 3900 cold and it cost 1000 gold pieces

bababoom · 09-21-2009, 01:33 AM

i agree 1 bonus pulse is hardly worth it...but i think extra slow amount 30%->50% would be enough, and would also ensure hits from more pulses.

NoThlnG · 09-21-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bababoom

i agree 1 bonus pulse is hardly worth it...but i think extra slow amount 30%->50% would be enough, and would also ensure hits from more pulses.

30% slow isn't small actually. Also consider SK has burrowstrike, additional slow isn't needed. Casting time reduction is to make SK to buy another item rather than dagger and BKB.

DuKKY · 09-21-2009, 09:13 AM

ok so maybe make it lowered cooldown and +2 pulses

.. i still dont understand why people cant see how much effect that extra 1 pulse has

supaplecs · 09-21-2009, 09:52 AM

Reduce the mana cost and increase the AOE sounds better

HellCraft · 09-21-2009, 09:55 AM

I totally support this, the +1 pulse is too pathetic actually.

Cp6uja · 09-21-2009, 09:56 AM

Lowered cooldown >> 1 sec casting time, as it will be impossible to cancel it if you find a lone hero.

Just buy dagger and everything will be fine.

NoThlnG · 09-21-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja_

Lowered cooldown >> 1 sec casting time, as it will be impossible to cancel it if you find a lone hero.

Just buy dagger and everything will be fine.

Ok, I change it to still have lowered cooldown and get decrease in casting time

thoby123 · 09-21-2009, 11:22 AM

I was under the impression this sugg was just to replace the +1 pulse with lowered casting time anyway

Tain · 09-21-2009, 01:57 PM

one thing i dont like,

it becomes alternative but it becomes less useful when you have both items (bkb and agha, or dagger and agha).

its better when agha gives more damage because that is unique.

AbyssPetra · 09-21-2009, 02:06 PM

Your Aghanim = Hard to Que Blink?

cezar_sl · 09-21-2009, 03:10 PM

It's bad because it takes the skill out of the game.

vertigo12 · 09-21-2009, 05:24 PM

I think it would be better if they increase the aoe and slow as well. maybe additional 150 AoE and additional 10% slow.

09-18-2009, 06:57 AM	#2
WhatIsEasyMode Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 192	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King Nah then Burrowstrike Epicentre would > Blink dagger. A nice burrow strike to everyone, = perfect epicentre.

09-18-2009, 07:33 AM	#4
DuKKY Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,140	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King no! t-down sorry its fine as it is.. lowered cooldown is G_G __________________ PROUDLY A CREATORS GUILD MEMBER CERTIFIED S.R.T MEMBER My hero creations My Remakes Access all this Here

09-18-2009, 07:49 AM	#6
thoby123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King that's a brilliant idea! would have much more impact on SK than +pulses, and more unique too. Might be a tad imba though, adding in reaction time and noone will able to interrupt Epi anymore. T-Up for concept in any case. __________________ Bottle fame, brew glory- A guide to the underloved, underestimated Alchemist. Now comes in semi-Premium quality! Currently trapped in study limbo, spastic activity for now SUGGESTIONS: Give Lich jazzhands! Alchie needs a new Greed! Pit o' Malice needs more pizzaz! Flesh Golem/Tombstone makeover anyone? Upgrade Complete! Newbie-friendly commands! Make BH's Wind Walk synergise! Make Gnoll a Gnoll! IMPLEMENTED: Give Dirge some real disease!

09-21-2009, 01:33 AM	#9
bababoom Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 987	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King i agree 1 bonus pulse is hardly worth it...but i think extra slow amount 30%->50% would be enough, and would also ensure hits from more pulses.

09-21-2009, 09:13 AM	#11
DuKKY Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,140	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King ok so maybe make it lowered cooldown and +2 pulses .. i still dont understand why people cant see how much effect that extra 1 pulse has __________________ PROUDLY A CREATORS GUILD MEMBER CERTIFIED S.R.T MEMBER My hero creations My Remakes Access all this Here

09-21-2009, 09:52 AM	#12
supaplecs Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 674	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King Reduce the mana cost and increase the AOE sounds better

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09-21-2009, 09:55 AM	#13
HellCraft Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 679	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King I totally support this, the +1 pulse is too pathetic actually.

09-21-2009, 09:56 AM	#14
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,052 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King Lowered cooldown >> 1 sec casting time, as it will be impossible to cancel it if you find a lone hero. Just buy dagger and everything will be fine. __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

09-21-2009, 11:22 AM	#16
thoby123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King I was under the impression this sugg was just to replace the +1 pulse with lowered casting time anyway __________________ Bottle fame, brew glory- A guide to the underloved, underestimated Alchemist. Now comes in semi-Premium quality! Currently trapped in study limbo, spastic activity for now SUGGESTIONS: Give Lich jazzhands! Alchie needs a new Greed! Pit o' Malice needs more pizzaz! Flesh Golem/Tombstone makeover anyone? Upgrade Complete! Newbie-friendly commands! Make BH's Wind Walk synergise! Make Gnoll a Gnoll! IMPLEMENTED: Give Dirge some real disease!

09-21-2009, 01:57 PM	#17
Tain Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Castalia Posts: 383	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King one thing i dont like, it becomes alternative but it becomes less useful when you have both items (bkb and agha, or dagger and agha). its better when agha gives more damage because that is unique.

09-21-2009, 03:10 PM	#19
cezar_sl Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bucharest Posts: 245 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King It's bad because it takes the skill out of the game.

09-21-2009, 05:24 PM	#20
vertigo12 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 92	Re: [REMAKE] Aghanim on Sand King I think it would be better if they increase the aoe and slow as well. maybe additional 150 AoE and additional 10% slow.