[BUFF] Sonic Wave

[kanzakill]

Sonic Wave - (Active)

Creates a gigantic wave of sound which deals heavy damage to all units in a line and causes temporary memory loss.

__	____.	________.	_______.	___.	_______.	__________________________.
	Mana	Cooldown	Length	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	250	135 (100*)	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	Deals 290 (340*) damage and retrains abilities of enemies
2	360	135 (70*)	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	Deals 430 (530*) damage and retrains abilities of enemies
3	500	135 (40*)	700	100 (Starting AoE) / 800 (Distance) / 300 (Final AoE)	N/A	Deals 600 (725*) damage and retrains abilities of enemies

Notes:

• Damage type: magical
• Can be improved by Aghanim's Scepter (* shows the improved values).
• Can hit units up to 1200 range away.
• Some abilities can't be unlearned (thanks to LorDFaLL3N).

[ALL_CAPS_GUY]

What did you change?

[qoou]

Originally Posted by Douchefag

What did you change?

and retrains abilities of enemies

I don't quite see what he means by that though.

[LorDFaLL3N]

Hero affected by Sonic Wave lost used points in skills..and have these points like unlearn skills..right?..srry for my bad english

[doomed2die]

So, basically, enemies have to re-learn all their skills right? Like the book of w/e in ladder.

So, if I'm lina and I have 3 points in dragon slave and 2 in light strike array, and I get hit by this, I have 5 free skill points and no points in dragon slave or light strike array.

[MassBalance]

it is unique and great for scaling, and will make qop one of the best initiators for sure. I think ill t-up, but i think it might be too op.

[Monsterlord]

Well this is a pretty stupid and incredibly annoying pseudo-disable tbh.

And it'll be ripe for abuse with Sniper.

[Unnamed_]

And Lanaya.

[Lill]

Unfortunately veeeeeery uncodeable. A lot of skills in DotA assume have code that run when they're learned for the first time such as creating new triggers and giving skills. By using this skill, you'd have to unregister all of that in order to properly run the functions that activate when learning the skills. Some stuff like trigger events can't be unregistered and would thus be a permanent leak if you destroy the trigger it's associated with.

[LorDFaLL3N]

Originally Posted by Lill

Unfortunately veeeeeery uncodeable. A lot of skills in DotA assume have code that run when they're learned for the first time such as creating new triggers and giving skills. By using this skill, you'd have to unregister all of that in order to properly run the functions that activate when learning the skills. Some stuff like trigger events can be unregistered and would thus be a permanent leak if you destroy the trigger it's associated with.

Mmm...iirc in ladder game there is a item doing that..so what is the problem with a massive version of him?..srry for my bad english

[Monsterlord]

Mmm...iirc in ladder game there is a item doing that..so what is the problem with a massive version of him?..srry for my bad english

He just explained it...

Some Dota skills simply cannot be unlearned.

[dominator02]

Originally Posted by LorDFaLL3N

Mmm...iirc in ladder game there is a item doing that..so what is the problem with a massive version of him?..srry for my bad english

Unit upgrade like Agha Impetus,Take Aim,Dragon Blood,Grow,etc cannot be degraded as it was hardcoded and so it will be like this:

A.Learn Unit Upgrade skill and max it.
B.Get hit by Sonic Wave.
C.Re-learn your skills but learn stats instead of Unit Upgrade skill.

A quite abuse you gave to unit upgrade holders.

[LorDFaLL3N]

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

He just explained it...

Some Dota skills simply cannot be unlearned.

The solution is simple then right?..just unlearn those skills that CAN be unlearned..

[Fazy]

Bad nerf. Good player can learn all his spells in like 1 and half second using hotkeys. Even if that would be totally codable (which is not), it would allow so much abuses... T-D

[WaruAthena]

Erm, Sonic Wave needs a buff, but not one like this.
T-Down.

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by LorDFaLL3N

The solution is simple then right?..just unlearn those skills that CAN be unlearned..

So simple and yet so hard for the majority to know.
Thank you.

Originally Posted by Fazy

Bad nerf. Good player can learn all his spells in like 1 and half second using hotkeys. Even if that would be totally codable (which is not), it would allow so much abuses... T-D

Wut?
Bad NERF?

Originally Posted by WaruAthena

Erm, Sonic Wave needs a buff, but not one like this.
T-Down.

Wut?
Then like what?

Originally Posted by dominator02

Agha Impetus

Impetus is an active skill.
Moreover, Aghanim's Scepter gives the skill a bonus, not a whole new level.

[Unnamed_]

Aghanim is Engineering Upgrade. It gives a new skill with improved values. You can safely say that this is a new level of the skill.

[sunnymarcell]

this would only force me to learn passive skill hotkeys.

some silly pub players would fall into the "WTF WHERE ARE MY SKILLS OMFG H4X0R AKASHA GGBBKKTHX" face. would be funny in the first games with akasha.

in competitive scene makes near no sense. sonic wave needs another buff, not like this.

[The Godplayer]

too op...
i dont mind QoP so much...the ulti needs a tweak more than a buff coz its just a boring carrion swarm... but this is not the way to go

[qoou]

Even if it was codable, it's far too much of a nerf to QoP's ult. She simply doesn't deserve a nerf that harsh. Imagine if she was up against a team with Sniper + Lanaya. Instant +8 free stats to both of them. That's nearly as much as an ulti orb.