[REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn

p811025 · 09-19-2009, 07:42 PM

Mana Burn

CURRENT

Level 1 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 35 seconds cooldown. 90 mana cost.
Level 2 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 25 seconds cooldown. 110 mana cost.
Level 3 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 15 seconds cooldown. 130 mana cost.
Level 4 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 5 seconds cooldown. 150 mana cost.

REMAKE

Level 1 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 35 seconds cooldown. 90 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage.
Level 2 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 25 seconds cooldown. 110 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage.
Level 3 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 15 seconds cooldown. 130 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage.
Level 4 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 5 seconds cooldown. 150 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage.

No mana cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why

Do I need to mention why?
504 damage/mana on level 25 Pugna without any item every 5 seconds is just... not to mention if you get any int items.

Tell me what you think about 325 damage cap.

Changelogs
9/19 - removed mana cap
9/20 - raised cap from 325 to 400

amped^^ · 09-19-2009, 10:30 PM

The whole point was to nerf his early game and buff his late game. This would just be dumb >_>.

KenpachiSlardar · 09-19-2009, 10:47 PM

hell no

acfire · 09-19-2009, 10:51 PM

I like the change on mana burn that Icefrog did. It lowered mana burn damage early game but it makes him more useful late game

.Budi · 09-19-2009, 11:26 PM

Nerub is the new anti-mage, t-down.

p811025 · 09-20-2009, 12:17 AM

Ok I see what you guys are saying, but int heroes are already fragile, this spell just own int heroes so bad. So how about just damage cap?

Jay.J · 09-20-2009, 12:23 AM

No because you lost your early uber laning. You now need the late game.

AbyssPetra · 09-20-2009, 12:54 AM

he's already suffering on early, and you wanna kill him on mid-late too? geez..thats harsh.

thoby123 · 09-20-2009, 01:34 AM

I think the CD needs adjustment, but otherwise I think Icey did a great job redefining NA's role already.

KenpachiSlardar · 09-20-2009, 03:31 AM

its fine dude

nerub's burst damage weakens alot late game so this should make his late game better

infer · 09-20-2009, 05:34 AM

What about 400 cap?, or also think about 425 maybe?

p811025 · 09-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Lol you're the first one to actually understand my point. All the rest of the comments want a 600+ damage every 5 second mana burn, which is imba in every way.

And yes I'll change it to 400 cap.

hajasmarci · 09-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Isn't 400 damage 300 after reductions? That sucks.

Bovver · 09-20-2009, 02:22 PM

FUCK NO!T-down

KenpachiSlardar · 09-20-2009, 07:54 PM

whats the point in 400 dmg cap man? magic reduction reduces it to nearly 300 damage.....

only some heroes actually have that high int......

Gheizen64 · 09-20-2009, 08:41 PM

No point? This make difference only in late-late game, where NA's shitty as hell anyway, even with new mana burn.
Why nerfing is already shitty point? Besides, i think NA is about fine now. Needs to play some more games, but i've got little times on my hands lately.

p811025 · 09-20-2009, 09:12 PM

Well int heroes are already more fragile than most other heores so the current mana burn just kills them. Why do you think 500+ damage every 5 second is shitty at late game? And with the 6.63 change, int heroes can no longer use bloodstone/heart to tank so they are much easier to kill now.

KenpachiSlardar · 09-20-2009, 09:21 PM

500 + damage?

bullshit man

its probably like 400 somethin damage

get a fuckin gem and dead spider

ShiNe · 09-20-2009, 09:24 PM

To any high int hero, that mana burn is hell. The problem is there are only a few heroes with that high int and you have a team to back you up anyway, ranged DPS heroes + wards/dust/gem screw NA big time (no vendetta, no spiked carapace, low mana burn cuz they have low int, just the stun). So he`s fine, let go, move on.

KenpachiSlardar · 09-20-2009, 09:33 PM

finally a dude that understands

09-19-2009, 07:42 PM	#1
p811025 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: can u find me? Posts: 158	[REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Mana Burn CURRENT Level 1 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 35 seconds cooldown. 90 mana cost. Level 2 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 25 seconds cooldown. 110 mana cost. Level 3 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 15 seconds cooldown. 130 mana cost. Level 4 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 5 seconds cooldown. 150 mana cost. REMAKE Level 1 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 35 seconds cooldown. 90 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage. Level 2 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 25 seconds cooldown. 110 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage. Level 3 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 15 seconds cooldown. 130 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage. Level 4 - Burns Mana equal to 4 times the target's Intelligence. 5 seconds cooldown. 150 mana cost.Cap at 400 damage. No mana cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why Do I need to mention why? 504 damage/mana on level 25 Pugna without any item every 5 seconds is just... not to mention if you get any int items. Tell me what you think about 325 damage cap. Changelogs 9/19 - removed mana cap 9/20 - raised cap from 325 to 400 __________________ Think Silencer need change? Look at this. Hand of Midas + Sacred Relic = Radiance!!!! Think Na's mana burn kills mages too fast? Bane is the weakest hero ever in Dota, click here to see why. "For every action, there is an equal, opposite reaction."

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09-19-2009, 10:30 PM	#2
amped^^ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 65	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn The whole point was to nerf his early game and buff his late game. This would just be dumb >_>.

09-19-2009, 10:47 PM	#3
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn hell no

09-19-2009, 10:51 PM	#4
acfire Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 132	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn I like the change on mana burn that Icefrog did. It lowered mana burn damage early game but it makes him more useful late game __________________ Thank-you to Lancerlove for the signature!!!

09-19-2009, 11:26 PM	#5
.Budi Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany. Posts: 2,352 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Nerub is the new anti-mage, t-down. __________________ 올드보이 - 오대수 Laugh, and the world laughs with you: Weep, and you weep alone

09-20-2009, 12:17 AM	#6
p811025 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: can u find me? Posts: 158	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Ok I see what you guys are saying, but int heroes are already fragile, this spell just own int heroes so bad. So how about just damage cap? __________________ Think Silencer need change? Look at this. Hand of Midas + Sacred Relic = Radiance!!!! Think Na's mana burn kills mages too fast? Bane is the weakest hero ever in Dota, click here to see why. "For every action, there is an equal, opposite reaction."

09-20-2009, 12:23 AM	#7
Jay.J Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,893	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn No because you lost your early uber laning. You now need the late game. __________________

09-20-2009, 01:34 AM	#9
thoby123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn I think the CD needs adjustment, but otherwise I think Icey did a great job redefining NA's role already. __________________ Bottle fame, brew glory- A guide to the underloved, underestimated Alchemist. Now comes in semi-Premium quality! Currently trapped in study limbo, spastic activity for now SUGGESTIONS: Give Lich jazzhands! Alchie needs a new Greed! Pit o' Malice needs more pizzaz! Flesh Golem/Tombstone makeover anyone? Upgrade Complete! Newbie-friendly commands! Make BH's Wind Walk synergise! Make Gnoll a Gnoll! IMPLEMENTED: Give Dirge some real disease!

09-20-2009, 03:31 AM	#10
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn its fine dude nerub's burst damage weakens alot late game so this should make his late game better

09-20-2009, 05:34 AM	#11
infer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,012	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn What about 400 cap?, or also think about 425 maybe?

09-20-2009, 02:14 PM	#12
p811025 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: can u find me? Posts: 158	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Lol you're the first one to actually understand my point. All the rest of the comments want a 600+ damage every 5 second mana burn, which is imba in every way. And yes I'll change it to 400 cap. __________________ Think Silencer need change? Look at this. Hand of Midas + Sacred Relic = Radiance!!!! Think Na's mana burn kills mages too fast? Bane is the weakest hero ever in Dota, click here to see why. "For every action, there is an equal, opposite reaction."

09-20-2009, 02:17 PM	#13
hajasmarci Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 5,384	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Isn't 400 damage 300 after reductions? That sucks.

09-20-2009, 02:22 PM	#14
Bovver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: England Posts: 2,249	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn FUCK NO!T-down

09-20-2009, 07:54 PM	#15
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn whats the point in 400 dmg cap man? magic reduction reduces it to nearly 300 damage..... only some heroes actually have that high int......

09-20-2009, 08:41 PM	#16
Gheizen64 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,216	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn No point? This make difference only in late-late game, where NA's shitty as hell anyway, even with new mana burn. Why nerfing is already shitty point? Besides, i think NA is about fine now. Needs to play some more games, but i've got little times on my hands lately. __________________ Analysis of item usage in competitive 6.66, 6.67, 6.68, 6.69 and 6.71. Ongoing. Look my reorganization of the weapon shop for: • Organized shop layout (ala Sena the Accesorizer) • More unique +dmg items (BoA ,Broadswoard & Claymore) • Items and recipes are more logical and intuitive • Hammer is the old Javelin (the %chance fits naturaly in Basher + Mael) • Desolator is now made from swords and more!

09-20-2009, 09:12 PM	#17
p811025 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: can u find me? Posts: 158	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn Well int heroes are already more fragile than most other heores so the current mana burn just kills them. Why do you think 500+ damage every 5 second is shitty at late game? And with the 6.63 change, int heroes can no longer use bloodstone/heart to tank so they are much easier to kill now. __________________ Think Silencer need change? Look at this. Hand of Midas + Sacred Relic = Radiance!!!! Think Na's mana burn kills mages too fast? Bane is the weakest hero ever in Dota, click here to see why. "For every action, there is an equal, opposite reaction."

09-20-2009, 09:21 PM	#18
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn 500 + damage? bullshit man its probably like 400 somethin damage get a fuckin gem and dead spider

09-20-2009, 09:24 PM	#19
ShiNe Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 485	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn To any high int hero, that mana burn is hell. The problem is there are only a few heroes with that high int and you have a team to back you up anyway, ranged DPS heroes + wards/dust/gem screw NA big time (no vendetta, no spiked carapace, low mana burn cuz they have low int, just the stun). So he`s fine, let go, move on. __________________

09-20-2009, 09:33 PM	#20
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: [REMAKE] 6.63 Mana Burn finally a dude that understands