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Old 06-03-2011, 04:56 PM   #1
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Lightbulb 'Bugs' in DotA


Anyway, there is one thing witch has been bothering me about Nerubians in DotA.
Nerubians are Scourge heroes in it.
What's the problem you may ask?
Well, pretty simple, Nerubians fucking hate Scourge!
Lich King to a Nerubian is like Hitler to a black gay Jew.

So what I suggest here is to fix that problem with Nerubian Weaver and Sand King.
Broodmother is fine since she has a reason why is she fighting for Scourge (she's in love with Anub'arak, that necrophilic little pervert).

Nerubian Weaver should ether become a Sentinel hero or should get model and icon of Crypt Fiend from ladder (in case he gets new model, his title could be changed to Crypt WeaverSuggested by FleshTRNDstone.).
Crypt Fiend model, icon and portrait:
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Here's tweaked background story:
Anub'seran. The name of this creature strikes fear into all of those who have seen this Nerubian, which comes from the plane of the spirit world. He can swiftly walk through his enemies, bending their bodies to his will, causing pain while he strides through them. With his powers over the timeless plane, he can also step inside and throw himself into the past to keep himself from death. He can call an attack from the future to strike his foes, making his onslaught more deadly. Anub'seran. Only the fools do not fear his name.

You'll notice that I've only removed that part about Anub'arak being afraid of him since that's just silly. >_>
Also, this story can be used in case he stays Scourge or moves to Sentinel side because it doesn't mention his affiliation in it.

Sand King should just go on Sentinel side and should get his background story tweaked a bit (tanks to Logicmite for mentioning this).
I know it says that he is actually undead in his current background story, but he is not.
Sorry, but that is model of live and kicking scorpion.
Background story (changes are in white):
A guardian of the ancient Nerubian Kingdom of Azjol-Nerub, Crixalis fled to the deserts of Kalimdor in an attempt to escape the genocide of the Lich King. The harsh climate transformed this warrior into a master of sand, able to tear the skin off his foes with vicious sand storms. Those unfortunate to succumb to his potent toxins are condemned to violently burst apart in a cloud of noxious fumes. After obtaining such power, Crixalis decided to join Sentinel in order to redeem for being a coward in past and will make sure that bones of the Scourge quiver each time the ground trembles beneath them.


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Old 06-03-2011, 05:03 PM   #2
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Default Re: Nerubian Weaver [Insert appropiate sub-title h

Nerubian weaver is a betrayer, so it's ok.
jk. Current looks better. For me it's better look > lore. And I can't imagine him as a sentinel hero.
T-down sry.

PS: And what's with nerubian assassin?

E: iirc this has been suggested before.
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:06 PM   #3
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Default Re: Nerubian Weaver [Insert appropiate sub-title h

I think that lore is actually important, but I really don't know how to prove you that... so I wont.

Also, what about Nerubian Assassin?
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:19 PM   #4
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^I didn't said lore isn't important. I just prefer the visuals .

About nerubian assassin: He's also a nerubian sourge hero.
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:52 PM   #5
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He is an undead, big difference.
By becoming an undead, he became Lich King's bitch, no matter what race he is.
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:54 PM   #6
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About nerubian assassin: He's also a nerubian sourge hero.
Anub'Arak is a Crypt Lord. Like the Crypt Fiends, he's a mummified, undead Nerubian that's been raised by the Lich King. Anub'Seran is a still-living Nerubian, and as such hates the Lich King for bringing about the collapse of the Spider Kingdom.

In fact, the only still-living Nerubian who's loyal to the Lich King is Broodmother, and even then only because of her love for Anub'Arak.
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:55 PM   #7
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Default Re: Nerubian Weaver [Insert appropiate sub-title h

Never noticed, though. Played very long not anymore the real WarCraft III. But now you say, it bothers me too... like you said giving him the Crypt Fiend model, but then his hero name, background story. Almost everything needs to be changed. Or turning Nerubian Weaver into an neutral... oh, WAI-...

Edit: Would it possible again with neutral heroes, it would be great. Then we could spare the Crypt Fiend model for some badass concept. But somehow, I think Crypt Fiend will never be an badass concept...
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He is an undead, big difference.
By becoming an undead, he became Lich King's bitch, no matter what race he is.
Pretty much this. All undead units but Revenants (which are able to resist the Lich King's mind control) obey him.

Ontopic: I support that change. But please note that there has already been a suggestion to change his model, and there was also already a complete overhaul suggestion. The overhaul can be found here.
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:56 PM   #9
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In fact, the only still-living Nerubian who's loyal to the Lich King is Broodmother, and even then only because of her love for Anub'Arak.
Necrophilic.

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Never noticed, though. Played very long not anymore the real WarCraft III. But now you say, it bothers me too... like you said giving him the Crypt Fiend model, but then his hero name, background story. Almost everything needs to be changed. Or turning Nerubian Weaver into an neutral... oh, WAI-...

Edit: Would it possible again with neutral heroes, it would be great. Then we could spare the Crypt Fiend model for some badass concept. But somehow, I think Crypt Fiend will never be an badass concept...
Well, he can simply become a Sentinel hero (background story would change a bit) in case people wish to keep his current model, just like I've also suggested.

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Ontopic: I support that change. But please note that there has already been a suggestion to change his model, and there was also already a complete overhaul suggestion. The overhaul can be found here.
Yes, but I also suggest possibility of him becoming a Sentinel hero and also will provide background stories for both cases when I think of them.
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:56 PM   #10
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Default Re: Nerubian Weaver [Insert appropiate sub-title h

I prefer the Crypt Fiend model to current actually,
But would be sad to see the ''Nerubian Weaver'' title change, as long as the ''Weaver'' part stays I'm happy.

What could a new title be ''Crypt Weaver''?
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:02 PM   #11
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I prefer the Crypt Fiend model to current actually,
But would be sad to see the ''Nerubian Weaver'' title change, as long as the ''Weaver'' part stays I'm happy.

What could a new title be ''Crypt Weaver''?
Doesn't sound too bad imo.
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:57 PM   #12
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Default Re: Nerubian Weaver [Insert appropiate sub-title h

Suggested before, and still. T-Down for model change.

But, T-Up for moving him to Sentinel. Crixalis must also be moved if done.
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Old 06-03-2011, 08:16 PM   #13
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I prefer the Crypt Fiend model to current actually,
But would be sad to see the ''Nerubian Weaver'' title change, as long as the ''Weaver'' part stays I'm happy.

What could a new title be ''Crypt Weaver''?
Cool name!
Will add it to OP.

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Suggested before, and still. T-Down for model change.

But, T-Up for moving him to Sentinel. Crixalis must also be moved if done.
True!
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:01 PM   #14
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I'd say T-down. Sorry but current model for Weaver is smaller and that way suits better the skills (well mainly shukuchi)
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:18 PM   #15
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Sorry but current model for Weaver is smaller and that way suits better the skills (well mainly shukuchi)
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:06 PM   #16
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I'd say T-down. Sorry but current model for Weaver is smaller and that way suits better the skills (well mainly shukuchi)
You can change the model size of units in a jiffy.
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t-down for model change crypt fiend doesnt feel like a fast hero such as weaver
t-up for side change
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:53 AM   #18
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No for Sand King, and the other idea isn't yours.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:27 AM   #19
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No for Sand King, and the other idea isn't yours.
Mind explaining both statements since they kinda don't make sense?
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:36 AM   #20
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IMO, Dota lore =/= Warcraft lore. And isn't moving sand king go to RMKs?

The other suggestion, I like but it's not yours.
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Erm, it is to some extent.
There are some details that can be ignored, but such huge stuff can't.
With that logic, let's make Furion into a Scrouge hero because he has horns and would look better as Scourge hero, who cares about lore. >_>
And no, this is purely visual since I don't remake anything about hero.
Also, his background story has actually improved and fits him much better.

And yes, other suggestions are mine.
Only because there are other threads about it, it doesn't mean it belongs to them.
It's nothing strange for one thing to be suggested more than once, especially when it's something obvious as this.
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:21 PM   #22
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Wc3 lore plays a huge part in dota lore so i guess this is fine

SK is acceptable, though i disagree with the wind part on his bg story sugg. Just because he creates sandstorms doesn't mean he controls wind. Only earth manipulation should be fine

About nerub, Just don't frickin change his model into that ugleh mummy. Current is just better imo. Any sides doesn't really matter for me, he isn't a "Normal" nerubian imo.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:34 PM   #23
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Did Sand King's get changed? The last I remember of it, I thought it mentioned something about him being an ordinary scorpion that the Lich King flooded with power or something. I don't remember it saying any of the Nerubian stuff >_>
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Wc3 lore plays a huge part in dota lore so i guess this is fine

SK is acceptable, though i disagree with the wind part on his bg story sugg. Just because he creates sandstorms doesn't mean he controls wind. Only earth manipulation should be fine
How about I say he manipulates sand then?
I kinda find that most fitting.

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About nerub, Just don't frickin change his model into that ugleh mummy. Current is just better imo. Any sides doesn't really matter for me, he isn't a "Normal" nerubian imo.
Well, I've suggested both versions and I'm fine with both of them actually.

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Did Sand King's get changed? The last I remember of it, I thought it mentioned something about him being an ordinary scorpion that the Lich King flooded with power or something. I don't remember it saying any of the Nerubian stuff >_>
Don't know.
This is story I found here on PD and just tweaked it a bit.
Actually, tweaked version doesn't sound that bad to me.
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T-Up for side change.
T-Null on model change.
T-Down on ...

SK's (Crixalis) story states that he was killed by the Lich King since he harnessed so much power. Lich King then revived the poor dude and now Crix works for him. Was saddened at this .

But to change him to Sentinel side is understandable in a general point of view. Crixalis gets away from the Lich King, trains his powers, joins the Sentinel in turn for revenge.
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Nerubians are naturally evil. They don't belong in Sentinel either.
By the same logic, the Legion wants the Scourge gone, so why the hell is Lucifer in the Scourge?
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By the same logic, the Legion wants the Scourge gone, so why the hell is Lucifer in the Scourge?
Because the Scourge and the Legion do work together before the alliance breaks down due to Arthas/the Lich King and Sylvanas/the Nathraziem.
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How about I say he manipulates sand then?
I kinda find that most fitting.
Sand is a part of earth, so just 'earth' is enough
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SK's (Crixalis) story states that he was killed by the Lich King since he harnessed so much power. Lich King then revived the poor dude and now Crix works for him. Was saddened at this .
True, but his model is of a live Nerubian, not dead one.
In order to make him look more like an undead, he should get tinted, but that is not an option in my opinion since he would look ugly as fuck.

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Nerubians are naturally evil. They don't belong in Sentinel either.
True, but they have more reasons to fight along side Sentinels than Scourge.
Scourge fucked them up hard and Sentinels didn't.
In this case you could say that enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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Because the Scourge and the Legion do work together before the alliance breaks down due to Arthas/the Lich King and Sylvanas/the Nathraziem.
That might be true, but DotA seems to set time after the failure of the Burning Legion at the world tree, it rather takes place after the WC3 TFT campaign. Until then Naga's did not appear at the Surface. And since there are a bunch of Naga heroes in DotA...
You see, it all doesn't make sense. The plots in the WC3-Universe are too complex to divide them into two factions. However, it is still more understandable for demons to fight along the Scourge, since the Burning Legion still aims to destroy the World Tree.
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if dota is becoming its own game at some point shouldn't the community try to invest in breaking it away from the warcraft atmosphere? o I think we should try and be useful and go along with the change instead of sticking to old concepts.
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disregard this :|
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if dota is becoming its own game at some point shouldn't the community try to invest in breaking it away from the warcraft atmosphere? o I think we should try and be useful and go along with the change instead of sticking to old concepts.
Like giving heroes their own kind of lore and not Wc3 related in any way?

Need more creative and imaginative guys if that's the path the community might take.
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T-null for model change, but T-up for moving him to Sentinel.
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If you played the campaign you knew that Anub'arak was revived by the Lich King after the Nerubian War(Idk if this is the real name).And some never died.So the Scourge's Nerubians may have died.
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if dota is becoming its own game at some point shouldn't the community try to invest in breaking it away from the warcraft atmosphere? o I think we should try and be useful and go along with the change instead of sticking to old concepts.
That is possible in some scenarios, but not with something huge like this.
Seeing Nerubians fighting for Scourge is pretty silly since they hate Lich King.
He destroyed their kingdom and took over it, that is not something witch can be ignored that easily.

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If you played the campaign you knew that Anub'arak was revived by the Lich King after the Nerubian War(Idk if this is the real name).And some never died.So the Scourge's Nerubians may have died.
Yes, I did.
But did you also know that live Nerubians still exist?
Models of Nerubian Weaver and Sand King of those living Nerubians.
Nerubian - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
Here, read 'Recent History' and you will see that it's kinda not possible for Nerubians to fight for Scourge.
Still, if you wish, you can read it all.
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T-up on sand king. Weaver feels much more Scourge than Sentinel.
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Like giving heroes their own kind of lore and not Wc3 related in any way?

Need more creative and imaginative guys if that's the path the community might take.
Have more faith in the community, people make suggestions all the time ,why cant we direct those energies to lore also

thats what I like about dota, the community shapes the game and the unique playstyle among a few things
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Default Re: 'Bugs' in DotA

Eh, you'd be surprised how many 'Who cares...' or 'It isn't important.' answers you will get if you post something like that.
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:53 AM   #40
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Default Re: 'Bugs' in DotA

There is not many of non-Scourge Nerubians in Warcraft universe, because their race was dominated by Scourge and their succumbed to the Lich King's power. I don't think that Weaver should be anything but Scourge hero.

Crixalis is kinda different type of guy, so...
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