[Game mode] Bans in casual modes

[Domenico]

Hello there.
I've seen many threads about "XXX is gay hero" in DC and I know what does it means when you just have no mood to play against certain enemies (for example, I don't like certain heroes, but damn, they are picked every game). So, my idea is to implement a mode which allows every player to ban one hero prom the pool.

Possible ways to do this:

1) Add -bm mode that is compatible with normal mode or -ap, -ar, -sd, -rd (any other ideas?). If game mode is not any of these, -bm is ignored.
Basically, it provides every player with the ability to ban 1 hero from the pool within 20 seconds (after the mode is set) before picking phase is started. If player fails to do so (or don't want to do so) within those 20 seconds, ability is wasted.
Example of game mode: -sdbmso

2) If the first one is uncodeable or something:
Add a mode (let's say) -ab (all-pick with bans) or -bm (bans mode), whatever (I will appreciate some ideas actually). It's like -ap mode, but allows every player to ban 1 hero from the pool in the first 20 seconds after mode is set (no considerable game stalling; if someone don't ban a hero in 20 seconds, an opportunity is wasted).
Example of game mode: -abomsh

How it should work:
- Game is started
- 20 seconds of ban phase
- picking phase (so, -rd or -sd pools are generated only after banning phase!) or, if it is -ar, heroes are distributed.

Possible problems (will update accordingly to your feedback aswell):

P: OMG leavers will leave if I ban Riki or Clinkz, huge T-D
S: Why should they play -bm at all then? Besides, leavers are called like that for a reson, there is over 9000 other possible reasons for them to leave. I don't see a problem here.

[Captain Planet]

If you wanted to be sneaky sneaky, perhaps the banning could be implemented as a default part of -ap? That way, when all the noobs go for TW, Clinkz, Drow, etc, they end up banning them instead of picking them xD

But more srsly, I like the idea of casual banning. T-up for this!

[Lama051]

Looks good on paper but unless it is by default then public will never use this mode.
How does it work 1 ban per one player?

[Domenico]

Originally Posted by Lama051

Looks good on paper but unless it is by default then public will never use this mode.
How does it work 1 ban per one player?

Well...

Switch mode is not default now, but it is used all the time on casual platforms, so it's up to community. Besides, hosts are people too and they want to ban something sometimes too

About your second question. I see this like this:
After game started, you see all those standart taverns and that big red "BAN" inscription, just like in -cm. You click on one hero, thus banning him, and all other hero icons disappear for you until picking phase (or its analogues, if it's -sd, -rd, -ar or something). All banned heroes will be excluded from pool (so you won't be able to pick them in -ap and noone will get them in -sd and -ar; also, they won't be in -rd pool, though it doesn't mean that you will have less heroes to choose from in -rd, you just won't see banned ones there).

[Captain Planet]

^That's a shame. I was almost looking forward to tricking the noobish players into banning the noobish heroes

/troll


This would actually get some use in pub games I reckon, because as you say, there would be plenty of hosts who'd like to ban certain heroes without going through the formal banning process and this allows them to do that.

[Nevfigalo]

It is one of the idea I thought before and was to lazy to suggest it. T-up.


What is more, it is fun that people still consider Riki as every noob's pick. It is relic of the past.

[AKBu3nY]

I like the idea. But now days bara and huskar will be permabanned .xD
T-up.

[Domenico]

Originally Posted by Evfeed

What is more, it is fun that people still consider Riki as every noob's pick. It is relic of the past.

It seems so, but it's also a meme, I think

Originally Posted by AKBu3nY

I like the idea. But now days bara and huskar will be permabanned .xD

Well, every era has its own favoured/disfavored heroes, that phenomena can be treated as a drawback of this suggestion.

Anywaus, thanks for the attention, I think I should formalize this suggestion thread though...

[Lill]

Yes please. I want this so badly. Can't wait to ban XXX hero. I hate XXX, a lot, because XXX has such imba spells that always ruin my picking of YYY.

On a more serious note, maybe this'll could actually integrate mid-level pubbies with higher standards. I bet people could learn a lot from playing this mode.

[fireblaze762]

Considering its an optional game mode.. why not?

I mean its only really going to see use in pub games, and sometimes i just play a pub game to have fun with a certain hero. I guess since you can choose whether you want to play it or not, i'll give it a t-up.

[phwaxr]

t-up so much, absolutely sick of pubs being ruined by evidently OP heroes (old tuskar/phoenix, now bara/huskar)

[Kaligar]

big T-UP. whenever i play a pub game, i tend to look for sd / ar / rd modes just because i want to see some other heroes. i'm sick of playing with/against the same heroes over and over again. also, like someone mentioned before, it can work as an 'instructive' mode (i mean helping noobs to get a little less noob :P)

[HHHNNNGGG]

God-like this.

[Kraivo]

T-up. Bara and Huscar permoban xD

[disturbedno0b]

t-up wanted to suggest the same

[Lacka]

I love this concept, T-up

[lmagination]

I like this.

[jelenifini]

T-up
I hate people picking miner and leaving if not get a first blood!
t-up
t-up
t-up

[jelenifini]

and 1 more time
t-uppppppppppppppppppppppp

[gobo]

I feel ya bro.. but there might be a problem with stacked friends banning crucial counters. I know you could say stacks usually win against randoms anyway- but more often then not I do have ~2 good allies and the game gets quite good. It might get too hard to turn the odds