[Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per level

outskirts · 07-07-2011, 07:15 AM

This suggestion mainly aims at those classic heroes who have some abilities with irregular growth per level. Irregular growth includes mana cost, damage, AoE, duration and so on. Most of them were set irregular due to mistakes, I suppose. There are also some small remakes and Agha tweaks below.

If you find any of them imba or find other ablities to complement, please post here.

Earthshaker

Aftershock
duration 0.3/0.7/1.2/1.5
damage 25/45/75/115

Echo Slam
initial damage 160/210/270

OK

Guardian Angel
mana 125/175/250

Brewmaster

Thunder Clap
mana 90/105/130/150
damage 100/175/250/300

Tiny

Avalanche
damage 100/180/260/300

Dragon Knight

Breathe Fire
damage 90/170/240/300

Magina

Blink
cooldown 12/9/7/5
distance 1000/1075/1150/1150

Sniper

Headshot
damage 30/30/40/50
duration 0.01/0.1/0.2/0.2

Lone Druid

True Form
bonus health 250/400/600

Morphling

Waveform
mana 140/155/160/165

Priestess of the Moon

Leap
cooldown 40/35/30/20

Troll Warlord

Berserker Rage
IMS: 20/20/20/30

Bounty Hunter

Shuriken Toss
damage 100/200/250/325
mana 90/115/135/155

Track
cooldown 10/7/5

CM

Frostbite
mana 115/125/140/150

Freezing Field
damage 105/170/250
scepter damage 170/250/310

Zeus

Arc Lightning
bounces 5/7/9/15

Lightning Bolt
damage 100/175/275/350

Thundergod's Wrath
mana 225/325/450
scepter damage 400/500/600

Furion

Wrath of Nature
cooldown 90/60/60
base damage 140/180/225
scepter base damage 155/210/275

Lina

Dragon Slave
mana 90/105/125/140
damage 100/170/230/280

Light Strike Array
mana 90/100/110/125
damage 90/150/210/280

Laguna Blade
mana 280/420/680
cooldown 120/90/55
damage 450/675/950

Techies

Land Mines
mana 125/150/175/205
cooldown 25/20/15/12

Stasis Trap
mana 80/110/140/160
cooldown 20/16/13/10

Suicide Squad, Attack!
full damage 650/850/1150/1550

Remote Mines
mana 200/240/300
AoE 400/410/425
scepter AoE 410/425/425

THD

Dual Breath
mana 135/140/155/170

Ice Path
duration 1/1.33/1.66/2

Tinker

March of the Machines
mana 145/150/165/190

Rhasta

Ether Shock
mana 95/105/135/160

Shackles
mana 110/130/155/185

Mass Serpent Ward
mana 200/350/600
scepter Serpent Wards damage 53-59/74-79/94-100
100% splash AoE 50/75/85
40% splash AoE 75/100/110
20% splash AoE 150/200/220

Axe

Culling Blade
damage 150/250/300
Killing HP 300/450/625

Chaos Knight

Chaos Bolt
damage 1-200/50-225/75-250/100-275

N'aix

Rage
IAS 30/45/60/80

Night Stalker

Void
damage 90/160/255/335

Darkness
duration 25/50/80

Butcher

Dismember
mana 100/130/170

King Leoric

Hellfire Blast
dps 15/30/40/50

Slardar

Sprint
IMS 20%/27%/33%/40%

Slithereen Crush
mana 80/95/105/115

Tide Hunter

Ravage
mana 150/225/325
stun duration 1.5/1.8/2.25

Sand King

Sand Storm
AoE 275/325/375/525
delay before revealed 0.3/0.6/0.9/1.5

Caustic Finale
damage 90/130/170/220

Nerubian Weaver

Geminate Attack
cooldown 6/5/4/2.5

Spectre

Spectral Dagger
IMS and slow 5%/9%/14%/18%

Venomancer

Venomous Gale
initial damage 50/70/70/100
DoT 10/20/40/50

Poison Nova
scepter cooldown 140/120/60
duration 12/14/15
dps 36/58/81
scepter dps 58/81/108

Viper

Viper Strike
mana 125/175/250
dps 60/100/145

Razor

Eye of the Storm
strike interval 0.85/0.75/0.6

Medusa

Mana Shield
absorbed damage per point of mana 0.75/1.25/1.5/2

Bane Elemental

Fiend's Grip
dps 100/155/215
scepter dps 155/215/270

Death Prophet

Carrion Swarm
mana 105/120/140/165
damage 100/175/250/300

Silence
AoE 200/275/350/350

Exorcism
number of spirits 4/10/18

Lion

Impale
mana 100/120/145/170
damage 60/130/200/260

Mana Drain
mana drained per second 20/40/60/100

Finger of Death
mana 200/420/650
scepter mana 200/420/625
cooldown 150/90/55
scepter cooldown 150/90/50
damage 500/650/850
scepter damage 600/800/1025

Enigma

malefice
mana 110/130/150/160
durantion 2/4/4/6
stun duration 1/1/1/1
dot 30/40/65/80

Lich

Frost Nova
mana 125/150/170/190
cooldown 9.25/9.25/9.25/8

Chain Frost
mana 200/325/500
cooldown 145/115/60
scepter cooldown 145/115/60

Necrolyte

Death Pulse
AoE 375/425/450/475
damage 75/125/200/275
heal 50/75/100/130

Reaper's Scythe
mana 175/340/500
scepter mana 150/340/500
damage factor 0.4/0.6/0.9

Obsidian Destroyer

Sanity's Eclipse
lose mana if damage taken less than 80/270/500

Queen of Pain

Shadow Strike
initial damage 50/70/70/100

Scream of Pain
damage 85/165/225/300

Sonic Wave
mana 250/360/500
scepter damage 350/530/725

Warlock

Flaming Fists of Infernals
damage 75/115/150

Shadow Priest

Shadow Wave
bounces 3/3/4/5

Invoker
Invoke
cooldown 22/17/12/5

Ghost Walk
enemy slow 20%/23%/26%/30%/33%/36%/40%

Tornado
duration 0.8/1.1/1.4/1.7/2.0/2.3/2.5

EMP
delay 3.7/3.4/3.15/2.85/2.6/2.3/2

Chaos Meteor
meteor range 465/615/780/930/1095/1245/1410

Tormented Soul

Split Earth
mana 100/125/140/160

Diabolic Edict
mana 95/120/135/155

Lightning Storm
damage 80/145/205/265
bounces 4/6/7/8

Pulse Nova
damage 66/100/144
scepter damage 88/133/177

Witch Doctor

Paralyzing Cask
damage to heroes 50/50/50/50

RIP-Midas- · 07-07-2011, 08:03 AM

too lazy to read them all.

But what the hell, T-Up on them all. Well, almost all of them I think.

Windsong · 07-07-2011, 08:25 AM

Most of those tweaks seem fine

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Flame13 · 07-07-2011, 08:28 AM

I was lazy too but you should know better then entitling this as if they were mistakes...nope those were intentionally put irregular...they don't have to be regular if you ask me...so you think twice about what should be lvl-ed up first and what shouldn't...btw just look at Viper's Poison attack...it has 4/3/0/0 CD because? because he doesn't need autocast in early phase while he needs it later and this leave you a point free to put in netherotoxin or corrosive skin and you can put on attack later at higher levels where you really need it...or look at Void of Balanar...from 2-->3 he gains 95 damage because? because if you put on void you only gain level 2 hunter until lvl 7...

Gromozor · 07-07-2011, 09:59 AM

I support idea of making all abilities grow regularly, but am not that sure about your numbers. For example, Reaper's Scythe damage should scale 0.5/0.7/0.9 instead of 0.4/0.6/0.9 since it's already weak early game and there is no need to make it even weaker. That was just one of the examples (to lazy to go trough all of them).

outskirts · 07-07-2011, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gromozor

I support idea of making all abilities grow regularly, but am not that sure about your numbers. For example, Reaper's Scythe damage should scale 0.5/0.7/0.9 instead of 0.4/0.6/0.9 since it's already weak early game and there is no need to make it even weaker. That was just one of the examples (to lazy to go trough all of them).

Thank you for your advice. I'll try to improve them.

RIP-Midas- · 07-07-2011, 12:43 PM

yea, and Furion should stay the way he is, I think.

And I know, she is so hot. I was waiting until someone falls for it, it happened eventually.

willcruncher · 07-07-2011, 01:25 PM

Abilities dont have to scale linearly, and most of them shouldnt. It is only aestheatic choice. EOT.

Stud_ · 07-07-2011, 01:36 PM

I got to you give props/applause for your efforts in there.

off topic, are u perfectionist?

Anyway, I also did not bother to read them all but Panda's slight dmg buff on thunderclap is fine.

Hugaw · 07-07-2011, 02:19 PM

dont like some of your rescale(more like nerfs) some of those scales have its reasons..

too lazy to read them all though..

t-up on the buffs only..

Hero Hunter · 07-07-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugaw

dont like some of your rescale(more like nerfs) some of those scales have its reasons..

too lazy to read them all though..

t-up on the buffs only..

Agreed, if you scale those numbers, you are going to kill the balance of many skills.

Mooga1337 · 07-07-2011, 08:10 PM

There is actually reasoning behind these irregular growths in power and it's as stated by some others to make it so that certain levels you put in an ability will be helpful than the other levels, causing abilities to scale nicer with the gameplay.

outskirts · 07-08-2011, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stud_

I got to you give props/applause for your efforts in there.

off topic, are u perfectionist?

Anyway, I also did not bother to read them all but Panda's slight dmg buff on thunderclap is fine.

Very observant. Besides, I don't thinks tweaks like 5 more damage or mana cost will do much harm to game balance.

God of Death · 07-08-2011, 03:49 AM

T-Up on ES, OK, Techies, Balanar, Antimage, Pudge, Leoric, Krobelus, Viper, Medusa, Dazzle, Jakiro, CM. T-Up on increasing Tiny's level 4 Avalanche damage.

T-Super-Down on the nerf to Weaver and some others.

Super_Duflair · 07-08-2011, 07:31 AM

Nice work, but hard to T-up all due to some balancing issues...

BTW, what's wrong with

Ice Path
duration 1/1.33/1.66/2

This is perfectly scaling O_o

DracoLich · 07-08-2011, 07:47 AM

too many nerfes.
td

Flame13 · 07-08-2011, 10:41 AM

T-up on Techies btw...

outskirts · 07-08-2011, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super_Duflair

Nice work, but hard to T-up all due to some balancing issues...

BTW, what's wrong with

Ice Path
duration 1/1.33/1.66/2

This is perfectly scaling O_o

An underground buff, of course.

Unnamed_ · 07-08-2011, 12:00 PM

Huge t-down. I did not read them all. But from what I did read I came to the conclusion that the OP made those suggestions only to fix those irregularities. Well, you have to think about balance when suggesting and no balance was even considered here. While some heroes got good deserved buffs I don't see why for example Bounty HUnter's Shuriken Toss got a nerf on mana-cost and damage in earlier levels or why Weaver got his orb nerfed.
There are more cases I could post, but I don't find the need to.

AKBu3nY · 07-08-2011, 03:12 PM

You suggest this, only because the numbers are irregular? A bad reason. T-down

07-07-2011, 07:15 AM	#1
outskirts Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 704	[Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per level This suggestion mainly aims at those classic heroes who have some abilities with irregular growth per level. Irregular growth includes mana cost, damage, AoE, duration and so on. Most of them were set irregular due to mistakes, I suppose. There are also some small remakes and Agha tweaks below. If you find any of them imba or find other ablities to complement, please post here. Current Suggested Earthshaker Aftershock duration 0.3/0.7/1.2/1.5 damage 25/45/75/115 Echo Slam initial damage 160/210/270 Earthshaker Aftershock duration 0.3/0.7/1.1/1.5 damage 25/55/85/115 Echo Slam initial damage 160/215/270 Current Suggested OK Guardian Angel mana 125/175/250 OK Guardian Angel mana 125/175/225 Current Suggested Brewmaster Thunder Clap mana 90/105/130/150 damage 100/175/250/300 Brewmaster Thunder Clap mana 90/110/130/150 damage 100/175/250/325 Current Suggested Tiny Avalanche damage 100/180/260/300 Tiny Avalanche damage 90/160/230/300 Current Suggested Dragon Knight Breathe Fire damage 90/170/240/300 Dragon Knight Breathe Fire damage 90/160/230/300 Current Suggested Magina Blink cooldown 12/9/7/5 distance 1000/1075/1150/1150 Magina Blink cooldown 11/9/7/5 distance 1000/1050/1100/1150 Current Suggested Sniper Headshot damage 30/30/40/50 duration 0.01/0.1/0.2/0.2 Sniper Headshot damage 20/30/40/50 duration 0.01/0.1/0.2/0.3 Current Suggested Lone Druid True Form bonus health 250/400/600 Lone Druid True Form bonus health 200/400/600 Current Suggested Morphling Waveform mana 140/155/160/165 Morphling Waveform mana 150/155/160/165 Current Suggested Priestess of the Moon Leap cooldown 40/35/30/20 Priestess of the Moon Leap cooldown 40/35/30/25 Current Suggested Troll Warlord Berserker Rage IMS: 20/20/20/30 Troll Warlord Berserker Rage IMS: 15/20/25/30 Current Suggested Bounty Hunter Shuriken Toss damage 100/200/250/325 mana 90/115/135/155 Track cooldown 10/7/5 Bounty Hunter Shuriken Toss damage 100/175/250/325 mana 95/115/135/155 Track cooldown 11/8/5 Current Suggested CM Frostbite mana 115/125/140/150 Freezing Field damage 105/170/250 scepter damage 170/250/310 CM Frostbite mana 115/125/135/145 Freezing Field damage 110/180/250 scepter damage 180/250/320 Current Suggested Zeus Arc Lightning bounces 5/7/9/15 Lightning Bolt damage 100/175/275/350 Thundergod's Wrath mana 225/325/450 scepter damage 400/500/600 Zeus Arc Lightning bounces 6/9/12/15 Lightning Bolt damage 110/190/270/350 Thundergod's Wrath mana 225/325/425 scepter damage 350/475/600 Current Suggested Furion Wrath of Nature cooldown 90/60/60 base damage 140/180/225 scepter base damage 155/210/275 Furion Wrath of Nature cooldown 90/75/60 base damage 140/180/220 scepter base damage 160/220/280 Current Suggested Lina Dragon Slave mana 90/105/125/140 damage 100/170/230/280 Light Strike Array mana 90/100/110/125 damage 90/150/210/280 Laguna Blade mana 280/420/680 cooldown 120/90/55 damage 450/675/950 Lina Dragon Slave mana 90/105/120/135 damage 100/160/220/280 Light Strike Array mana 90/100/110/120 damage 100/160/220/280 Laguna Blade mana 280/480/680 cooldown 120/90/60 damage 450/700/950 Current Suggested Techies Land Mines mana 125/150/175/205 cooldown 25/20/15/12 Stasis Trap mana 80/110/140/160 cooldown 20/16/13/10 Suicide Squad, Attack! full damage 650/850/1150/1550 Remote Mines mana 200/240/300 AoE 400/410/425 scepter AoE 410/425/425 Techies Land Mines mana 125/150/175/200 cooldown 25/20/15/10 Stasis Trap mana 80/110/140/170 cooldown 19/16/13/10 Suicide Squad, Attack! full damage 650/950/1250/1550 Remote Mines mana 200/250/300 AoE 400/415/430 scepter AoE 410/430/450 Current Suggested THD Dual Breath mana 135/140/155/170 Ice Path duration 1/1.33/1.66/2 THD Dual Breath mana 125/140/155/170 Ice Path duration 1/1.5/2/2.5 Current Suggested Tinker March of the Machines mana 145/150/165/190 Tinker March of the Machines mana 145/160/175/190 Current Suggested Rhasta Ether Shock mana 95/105/135/160 Shackles mana 110/130/155/185 Mass Serpent Ward mana 200/350/600 scepter Serpent Wards damage 53-59/74-79/94-100 100% splash AoE 50/75/85 40% splash AoE 75/100/110 20% splash AoE 150/200/220 Rhasta Ether Shock mana 95/115/135/155 Shackles mana 110/135/160/185 Mass Serpent Ward mana 200/400/600 scepter Serpent Wards damage 54-58/74-78/94-98 100% splash AoE 50/75/100 40% splash AoE 75/100/125 20% splash AoE 150/200/250 Current Suggested Axe Culling Blade damage 150/250/300 Killing HP 300/450/625 Axe Culling Blade damage 150/250/350 Killing HP 300/450/600 Current Suggested Chaos Knight Chaos Bolt damage 1-200/50-225/75-250/100-275 Chaos Knight Chaos Bolt damage 25-200/50-225/75-250/100-275 Current Suggested N'aix Rage IAS 30/45/60/80 N'aix Rage IAS 30/45/60/75 Current Suggested Night Stalker Void damage 90/160/255/335 Darkness duration 25/50/80 Night Stalker Void damage 90/170/250/330 Darkness duration 25/50/75 Current Suggested Butcher Dismember mana 100/130/170 Butcher Dismember mana 100/130/160 Current Suggested King Leoric Hellfire Blast dps 15/30/40/50 King Leoric Hellfire Blast dps 20/30/40/50 Current Suggested Slardar Sprint IMS 20%/27%/33%/40% Slithereen Crush mana 80/95/105/115 Slardar Sprint IMS 22%/28%/34%/40% Slithereen Crush mana 85/95/105/115 Current Suggested Tide Hunter Ravage mana 150/225/325 stun duration 1.5/1.8/2.25 Tide Hunter Ravage mana 125/225/325 stun duration 1.5/1.9/2.3 Current Suggested Sand King Sand Storm AoE 275/325/375/525 delay before revealed 0.3/0.6/0.9/1.5 Caustic Finale damage 90/130/170/220 Sand King Sand Storm AoE 275/325/375/425 delay before revealed 0.3/0.6/0.9/1.2 Caustic Finale damage 90/130/170/210 Current Suggested Nerubian Weaver Geminate Attack cooldown 6/5/4/2.5 Nerubian Weaver Geminate Attack cooldown 6/5/4/3 Current Suggested Spectre Spectral Dagger IMS and slow 5%/9%/14%/18% Spectre Spectral Dagger IMS and slow 5%/10%/15%/20% Current Suggested Venomancer Venomous Gale initial damage 50/70/70/100 DoT 10/20/40/50 Poison Nova scepter cooldown 140/120/60 duration 12/14/15 dps 36/58/81 scepter dps 58/81/108 Venomancer Venomous Gale initial damage 50/70/90/110 DoT 10/20/30/40 Poison Nova scepter cooldown 120/90/60 duration 12/13/14 dps 36/58/80 scepter dps 58/83/108 Current Suggested Viper Viper Strike mana 125/175/250 dps 60/100/145 Viper Viper Strike mana 125/175/225 dps 60/100/140 Current Suggested Razor Eye of the Storm strike interval 0.85/0.75/0.6 Razor Eye of the Storm strike interval 0.9/0.75/0.6 Current Suggested Medusa Mana Shield absorbed damage per point of mana 0.75/1.25/1.5/2 Medusa Mana Shield absorbed damage per point of mana 0.5/1.0/1.5/2 Current Suggested Bane Elemental Fiend's Grip dps 100/155/215 scepter dps 155/215/270 Bane Elemental Fiend's Grip dps 100/160/220 scepter dps 160/220/280 Current Suggested Death Prophet Carrion Swarm mana 105/120/140/165 damage 100/175/250/300 Silence AoE 200/275/350/350 Exorcism number of spirits 4/10/18 Death Prophet Carrion Swarm mana 100/120/140/160 damage 100/175/250/325 Silence AoE 200/250/300/350 Exorcism number of spirits 6/12/18 Current Suggested Lion Impale mana 100/120/145/170 damage 60/130/200/260 Mana Drain mana drained per second 20/40/60/100 Finger of Death mana 200/420/650 scepter mana 200/420/625 cooldown 150/90/55 scepter cooldown 150/90/50 damage 500/650/850 scepter damage 600/800/1025 Lion Impale mana 100/125/150/175 damage 60/130/200/270 Mana Drain mana drained per second 20/40/60/80 Finger of Death mana 200/425/650 scepter mana 200/400/600 cooldown 140/100/60 scepter cooldown 130/90/50 damage 500/675/850 scepter damage 600/850/1100 Current Suggested Enigma malefice mana 110/130/150/160 durantion 2/4/4/6 stun duration 1/1/1/1 dot 30/40/65/80 Enigma malefice mana 110/130/150/170 durantion 6/6/6/6 stun duration 0.25/0.5/0.75/1 dot 20/40/60/80 Current Suggested Lich Frost Nova mana 125/150/170/190 cooldown 9.25/9.25/9.25/8 Chain Frost mana 200/325/500 cooldown 145/115/60 scepter cooldown 145/115/60 Lich Frost Nova mana 130/150/170/190 cooldown 9/9/9/9 Chain Frost mana 200/350/500 cooldown 150/115/80 scepter cooldown 110/85/60 Current Suggested Necrolyte Death Pulse AoE 375/425/450/475 damage 75/125/200/275 heal 50/75/100/130 Reaper's Scythe mana 175/340/500 scepter mana 150/340/500 damage factor 0.4/0.6/0.9 Necrolyte Death Pulse AoE 400/425/450/475 damage 100/150/200/250 heal 50/75/100/125 Reaper's Scythe mana 150/325/500 scepter mana 150/300/450 damage factor 0.5/0.7/0.9 Current Suggested Obsidian Destroyer Sanity's Eclipse lose mana if damage taken less than 80/270/500 Obsidian Destroyer Sanity's Eclipse lose mana if damage taken less than 100/300/500 Current Suggested Queen of Pain Shadow Strike initial damage 50/70/70/100 Scream of Pain damage 85/165/225/300 Sonic Wave mana 250/360/500 scepter damage 350/530/725 Queen of Pain Shadow Strike initial damage 50/70/90/110 Scream of Pain damage 75/150/225/300 Sonic Wave mana 250/375/500 scepter damage 350/550/750 Current Suggested Warlock Flaming Fists of Infernals damage 75/115/150 Warlock Flaming Fists of Infernals damage 75/125/175 Current Suggested Shadow Priest Shadow Wave bounces 3/3/4/5 Shadow Priest Shadow Wave bounces 3/4/5/6 Current Suggested Invoker Invoke cooldown 22/17/12/5 Ghost Walk enemy slow 20%/23%/26%/30%/33%/36%/40% Tornado duration 0.8/1.1/1.4/1.7/2.0/2.3/2.5 EMP delay 3.7/3.4/3.15/2.85/2.6/2.3/2 Chaos Meteor meteor range 465/615/780/930/1095/1245/1410 Invoker Invoke cooldown 22/17/12/7 Ghost Walk enemy slow 22%/25%/28%/31%/34%/37%/40% Tornado duration 0.8/1.1/1.4/1.7/2.0/2.3/2.6 EMP delay 3.8/3.5/3.2/2.9/2.6/2.3/2 Chaos Meteor meteor range 450/610/770/930/1080/1240/1400 Current Suggested Tormented Soul Split Earth mana 100/125/140/160 Diabolic Edict mana 95/120/135/155 Lightning Storm damage 80/145/205/265 bounces 4/6/7/8 Pulse Nova damage 66/100/144 scepter damage 88/133/177 Tormented Soul Split Earth mana 100/120/140/160 Diabolic Edict mana 95/115/135/155 Lightning Storm damage 85/145/205/265 bounces 5/6/7/8 Pulse Nova damage 60/100/140 scepter damage 90/130/170 Current Suggested Witch Doctor Paralyzing Cask damage to heroes 50/50/50/50 Witch Doctor Paralyzing Cask damage to heroes 37.5/50/62.5/75 __________________ Mio Suggestions Useful Links [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per level Remake Chen Damage Type Hero Balance Compilation Item Balance compilation

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07-07-2011, 08:25 AM	#3
Windsong Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: P-olan-D Posts: 848	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le Most of those tweaks seem fine /OFF ^ I can`t stop staring at your signature __________________ Luna More Luna Another Sig Mah Internetz

07-07-2011, 08:28 AM	#4
Flame13 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eternal flames of damnation Posts: 2,430	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le I was lazy too but you should know better then entitling this as if they were mistakes...nope those were intentionally put irregular...they don't have to be regular if you ask me...so you think twice about what should be lvl-ed up first and what shouldn't...btw just look at Viper's Poison attack...it has 4/3/0/0 CD because? because he doesn't need autocast in early phase while he needs it later and this leave you a point free to put in netherotoxin or corrosive skin and you can put on attack later at higher levels where you really need it...or look at Void of Balanar...from 2-->3 he gains 95 damage because? because if you put on void you only gain level 2 hunter until lvl 7... __________________ Gallery of heroes

07-07-2011, 09:59 AM	#5
Gromozor Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Split, Croatia Posts: 100	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le I support idea of making all abilities grow regularly, but am not that sure about your numbers. For example, Reaper's Scythe damage should scale 0.5/0.7/0.9 instead of 0.4/0.6/0.9 since it's already weak early game and there is no need to make it even weaker. That was just one of the examples (to lazy to go trough all of them). __________________ Assault Cuirass [Tweak] Vladmir's Offering [Tweak]

07-07-2011, 01:25 PM	#8
willcruncher Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 257	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le Abilities dont have to scale linearly, and most of them shouldnt. It is only aestheatic choice. EOT. __________________ Buffix for Sniper

07-07-2011, 01:36 PM	#9
Stud_ Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 104	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le I got to you give props/applause for your efforts in there. off topic, are u perfectionist? Anyway, I also did not bother to read them all but Panda's slight dmg buff on thunderclap is fine. __________________ Moonlight Shadow Remake For better escaping and iniating

07-07-2011, 02:19 PM	#10
Hugaw Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Roshan Pit Posts: 1,147	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le dont like some of your rescale(more like nerfs) some of those scales have its reasons.. too lazy to read them all though.. t-up on the buffs only..

07-07-2011, 08:10 PM	#12
Mooga1337 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 769	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le There is actually reasoning behind these irregular growths in power and it's as stated by some others to make it so that certain levels you put in an ability will be helpful than the other levels, causing abilities to scale nicer with the gameplay. __________________ [AGHANIM'S SCEPTER] Supernova [BUFF] Dwarven Sniper [BUFF] Necrolyte [BUFF] Warlock [BUFF/TWEAK] Stone Gaze [TWEAK] Last Word DON'T CLICK THIS! OR THIS! But click this, it's much friendlier.

07-08-2011, 03:49 AM	#14
God of Death Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: I'm Posting Below Stupid Posts: 5,728 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le T-Up on ES, OK, Techies, Balanar, Antimage, Pudge, Leoric, Krobelus, Viper, Medusa, Dazzle, Jakiro, CM. T-Up on increasing Tiny's level 4 Avalanche damage. T-Super-Down on the nerf to Weaver and some others.

07-08-2011, 07:31 AM	#15
Super_Duflair Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 388	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le Nice work, but hard to T-up all due to some balancing issues... BTW, what's wrong with Ice Path duration 1/1.33/1.66/2 This is perfectly scaling O_o __________________ My heroes suggestions: Review them, we have cookies! (and i review back )

07-08-2011, 10:41 AM	#17
Flame13 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eternal flames of damnation Posts: 2,430	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le T-up on Techies btw... __________________ Gallery of heroes

07-08-2011, 12:00 PM	#19
Unnamed_ Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,655	Re: [Tweak] Abilities with irregular growth per le Huge t-down. I did not read them all. But from what I did read I came to the conclusion that the OP made those suggestions only to fix those irregularities. Well, you have to think about balance when suggesting and no balance was even considered here. While some heroes got good deserved buffs I don't see why for example Bounty HUnter's Shuriken Toss got a nerf on mana-cost and damage in earlier levels or why Weaver got his orb nerfed. There are more cases I could post, but I don't find the need to.