Dagon Bloodseeker

[kawumm]

Originally Posted by galuf

getting urn on bs is pretty damn retarded, he doesn't need the regen, he has poor int so when it counts the regen it provides sux ballz, it cost roughly 1/3 of a forcestaff.

gives hp, can be used as a mininuke to trigger thirst, also usable on allies. and the out of fight regen is quite another story than the regen in fights or on lane.

[Pwntlolz]

dagon in itself is a waste of time
if youre trying to make a nuker scale well into the later stages then you should add important teamfight/dps/disable items
Bloodseeker has an incredible steroid spell, and the silence to himself isnt all that important since bloodseeker after casting rupture is unreliant on his abilities
what im saying is, in general, its a better idea to buy mjollnir/orchid/hex/Mek on Lina then it is to buy a dagon
and Bloodseeker is even less of a nuker hero than Lina, so buying dagon is just laughable

Forcestaff+urn is all you need for the midgame until you get radiance

[RandomFlamer]

Furion is even less of a nuker hero than Lina, so buying dagon is just laughable.

[asdasd]

Originally Posted by RandomFlamer

Furion is even less of a nuker hero than Lina, so buying dagon is just laughable.

???

[RandomFlamer]

Dont worry, I wasnt mocking you.

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by RandomFlamer

Furion is even less of a nuker hero than Lina, so buying dagon is just laughable.

I'm sorry, remind me as to how Bloodseeker can jungle a 8 minute dagon and then teleport globally to any spot on the map

oh right

[Lacka]

I am sure to catch some flame for this, but I try to rush a blademail and then go forcestaff/radi in pubs. If you rupture someone and buff/silence them, you run up to them and activate blademail, they pretty much have to attack you and die, or run and die, but once again, I do this in pubs, works well most times (esp effective vs antimage as it returns manaburn).

[Pwntlolz]

^thats not flamebait, thats like one of the most average BS builds out there lol

[beetin]

Blademail is pretty much standard on BS.

Dagon is fun though. And that's really what low level games are about.

[wickedswami]

why no PMS?
Easier last hitting in lane+damage block for chasing/against harassing.

what about PMS phase urn s&y blademail or sth like that?

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by wickedswami

why no PMS?
Easier last hitting in lane+damage block for chasing/against harassing.

what about PMS phase urn s&y blademail or sth like that?

Sny is a huge ass waste
if you cast rupture theyre not running anywhere, so whats the point of buying an item specifically designed to stop them from running

its like building a bkb on Lancer

[LiquidNitrogen]

are you serious

[LysanderXonora]

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

Sny is a huge ass waste
if you cast rupture theyre not running anywhere, so whats the point of buying an item specifically designed to stop them from running

its like building a bkb on Lancer

Any makes you tanky, run faster, hot harder/faster and it looks boss. It's good on bs.

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by LysanderXonora

Any makes you tanky, run faster, hot harder/faster and it looks boss. It's good on bs.

There are a multitude of items that are better for survivability.
As stated, if you rupture someone they're not going anywhere, so the chasing power is lost.
If you want the yasha then just get the yasha and make a manta

[cRyPtWaLk3R]

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

dagon in itself is a waste of time
if youre trying to make a nuker scale well into the later stages then you should add important teamfight/dps/disable items
Bloodseeker has an incredible steroid spell, and the silence to himself isnt all that important since bloodseeker after casting rupture is unreliant on his abilities
what im saying is, in general, its a better idea to buy mjollnir/orchid/hex/Mek on Lina then it is to buy a dagon
and Bloodseeker is even less of a nuker hero than Lina, so buying dagon is just laughable

in summary, none of this actually means anything
-dagon in lina is ridiculously good if rushed (like many other heroes), having another 400 damage nuke is insane, not many heroes can survive stun + nuke + ulti/dagon around level 9-11, and even if they do, they will be dead pretty quickly afterwards. Not to mention it doesn't make Lina's solo killing abilities so reliant on her ultimate.

OT: For BS, it really depends on the game. In most pubs I don't think dagon would be needed at all, unless thats how you want to win the game, which may be very wise indeed, but not always the best choice as the item can very quickly turn into a bad investment if you aren't very active in ganking, even more so against fatter carries.

There are a number of pub builds that are good, nearly everything revolves around QB + stout/PMS though, then I may go
Phase -> Radiance + Vitality -> Butterfly/MKB/HoT/etc
or one I really enjoy for really low level pubs
Phase -> Blademail + MoM = many lulz are had

then again, most generic AGI pub builds would work too, just do what you want lol

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by cRyPtWaLk3R

in summary, none of this actually means anything
-dagon in lina is ridiculously good if rushed (like many other heroes), having another 400 damage nuke is insane, not many heroes can survive stun + nuke + ulti/dagon around level 9-11, and even if they do, they will be dead pretty quickly afterwards. Not to mention it doesn't make Lina's solo killing abilities so reliant on her ultimate.
Linas nukes are alone are pretty strong. This is about getting the dagon after forcestaff, which is not 9 minutes, mb around 20 minute mark.
OT: For BS, it really depends on the game. In most pubs I don't think dagon would be needed at all, unless thats how you want to win the game, which may be very wise indeed, but not always the best choice as the item can very quickly turn into a bad investment if you aren't very active in ganking, even more so against fatter carries.

There are a number of pub builds that are good, nearly everything revolves around QB + stout/PMS though, then I may go
Phase -> Radiance + Vitality -> Butterfly/MKB/HoT/etc
or one I really enjoy for really low level pubs
Phase -> Blademail + MoM = many lulz are had
You should add a force staff in there, considering it gives around the same damage as dagon with more rightclick bonus with a cheaper cost
then again, most generic AGI pub builds would work too, just do what you want lol

OP was referring to dagon after forcestaff, which most likely would be completed around the 25th minute

ofc I was referring to higher leveled pubs, where Radiance and urn are generally much more effective and going for pure nuker BS is pretty failure

[cRyPtWaLk3R]

Originally Posted by Pwntlolz

OP was referring to dagon after forcestaff, which most likely would be completed around the 25th minute

ofc I was referring to higher leveled pubs, where Radiance and urn are generally much more effective and going for pure nuker BS is pretty failure

lold, you/people play BS in higher level pubs now? Ok.

[Trew]

Originally Posted by cRyPtWaLk3R

lold, you/people play BS in higher level pubs now? Ok.

Why not?

[Pwntlolz]

Originally Posted by cRyPtWaLk3R

lold, you/people play BS in higher level pubs now? Ok.

It's not like he's slark...

[badmafa]

How has this thread gone on for 3 pages? Dagon Bloodseeker is terrible. /thread