Rescale some venomous skills

UniversalMan · 10-02-2011, 09:36 PM

Some numbers to be rescaled with reasons for QoP SS, Viper`s Skin and OoV

Deals 3 damage per second and slows by [12% (melee)/ 4% (ranged)] for 4 seconds

Explanations

Dmg type (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) and numbers I don`t want to change due to balance reasons for its price.
4% slow is too pathetic and unnoticable. Now it scales like Skadi

State Problems Here

Current
Suggested1
Suggested2

Level Manacost Cooldown Cast. range Effects
1 80 20 400 50 strike damage, 30 duration damage every 3 sec <Total 50dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 150dmg (10dps, DT:Magical)>, 20% initial slow
2 100 16 400 70 strike damage, 40 duration damage every 3 sec <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 200dmg (13⅓dps, DT:Magical)>, 30% initial slow
3 120 12 400 70 strike damage, 50 duration damage every 3 sec <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 250dmg (16⅔dps, DT:Magical)>, 40% initial slow
4 140 8 400 100 strike damage, 60 duration damage every 3 sec <Total 100dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 300dmg (20dps, DT:Magical)>, 50% initial slow
Level Manacost Cooldown Cast. range Effects
1 80 20 400 50 strike damage, 50/40/30/20/10 damage over 3 sec interval <Total 50dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 150dmg (10dps, DT:Magical)>, 20% initial slow
2 105 16 400 75 strike damage, 65/52/39/26/13 damage over 3 sec interval <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 195dmg (13dps, DT:Magical)>, 30% initial slow
3 125 12 400 100 strike damage, 75/60/45/30/15 damage over 3 sec interval <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 225dmg (15dps, DT:Magical)>, 40% initial slow
4 150 8 400 125 strike damage, 90/72/54/36/18 damage over 3 sec interval <Total 100dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 270dmg (18dps, DT:Magical)>, 50% initial slow
Level Manacost Cooldown Cast. range Effects
1 80 20 400 50 strike damage, 42/35/28/21/14/7 damage over 2.5 sec interval <Total 50dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 147dmg (9.8dps, DT:Magical)>, 20% initial slow
2 100 16 400 70 strike damage, 57/47.5/38/28.5/19/9.5 damage over 2.5 sec interval <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 199.5dmg (13.3dps, DT:Magical)>, 30% initial slow
3 120 12 400 70 strike damage, 72/60/48/36/24/12 damage over 2.5 sec interval <Total 70dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 252dmg (16.8dps, DT:Magical)>, 40% initial slow
4 140 8 400 100 strike damage, 87/72.5/58/43.5/29/14.5 damage over 2.5 sec interval <Total 100dmg (DT:Enhanced; AT:Spell) + 304.5dmg (20.3dps, DT:Magical)>, 50% initial slow

Explanations

The reason is that

Quote:

Originally Posted by csean

QoP is not Venomancer, she's all about burst damage. Initial damage should be buffed while the duration damage should be nerfed

This long duration only means to prevent some items like HoT, Dagger, Potions etc

You can recast SS on the same unit on higher levels to renew dps and slow to be more effective
Suggestion1 increase in manacost is due to more burst dmg on early stages and buff on initial dmg, that works on magic immune units whereas suggestion2 practically has no change except for rescaled dmg intervals due to evasion circumstances of Dagger. Also Gale may be rescaled to deal dmg every 2.5sec. I don`t care about +/- 5dmg or less per instance
The formula of instance dmg is quite simple 5x/4x/3x/2x/1x dmg on each 3rd sec, whereas x depends on skills level and means 10/13/15/18. For sugg. 2 → 6x/5x/4x/3x/2x/1x, x=7/9.5/12/14.5. Got it?

Level	Duration	Effects
1	3sec	10%slow, 10dps if attacked, 10%magic resistance
2	3sec	15%slow, 15dps if attacked, 15%magic resistance
3	3sec	20%slow, 20dps if attacked, 20%magic resistance
4	3sec	25%slow, 25dps if attacked, 25%magic resistance

Explanations

Since some last changes Viper was seriously buffed and now a bit overbuffed.
The case imo this passive. It grants too much in one skill: the highest non-item magic resistance (25% for non-ultimate skill vs PL`s ult and this resistance also stacks with illusions); stackable with orb now guarantees a huge ms debuff if target tries to attack Viper (65% is one of the highest slows not to mention his ult) that makes harder to attack him/ to flee from him w/o escaping mechanisms. Many claim that he has no real disable — get MKB/Basher/Eul`s/Sheep — this is not a reason for buffing/changing him in such manner
I only leave a buff on early levels as like many other heroes changed and quick Dota play nowadays

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Yago · 10-02-2011, 10:44 PM

T-Up for OoV.

T-Null on QoP

T-Down on Viper

I think he's fine, sorry.

Hugaw · 10-03-2011, 12:15 AM

T-up on buffing OoV on ranges.. 4% is pretty pathetic..

T-down on QoP

T-down on Viper - buffed?? he needs a buff

Straight Flush · 10-03-2011, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yago

T-Up for OoV.

T-Null on QoP

T-Down on Viper

I think he's fine, sorry.

Pretty much this really

gilvert · 10-03-2011, 12:01 PM

T-Up for OoV.

T-Null for the rest, I don't really know..

Nutsy · 10-03-2011, 12:09 PM

T-Up for OoV and Shadow Strike, T-Down for Corrosive Skin... I don't find Viper overpowered yet.

UniversalMan · 10-03-2011, 07:25 PM

About Viper: it`s more like game strategy and balance debates. Some say he was fine even b4 buffs in 6.71, some say he`s quite weak till now. I`m with first one. I don`t find any difficulties playing Viper after some items. But I find quite difficult now to kill enemy Viper with that items. Mb he needs total remake.

QoP SS — make this skill more burst for initial as like other 2 to fit her role. The rest dmg and slow only to be in Akasha`s sight of view. Slow, block Dagger/HoT → blink → Scream → attack and other shit → blink → Scream and/or recast SS again to renew dmg and slow and sth like dat Otherwise QoV SS and Veno`s Gale have similar manner but these heroes have different roles

himynameisbam · 10-04-2011, 03:00 PM

I think that corrosive skin slow is "boring" and "useless"... viper has 3 slow skills... this is not cool t.t

10-02-2011, 10:44 PM	#2
Yago Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1,097	Re: Rescale some venomous skills T-Up for OoV. T-Null on QoP T-Down on Viper I think he's fine, sorry. __________________ Suggestions: TA Agha: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409852 S&Y Buff: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621909

10-03-2011, 12:15 AM	#3
Hugaw Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Roshan Pit Posts: 1,154	Re: Rescale some venomous skills T-up on buffing OoV on ranges.. 4% is pretty pathetic.. T-down on QoP T-down on Viper - buffed?? he needs a buff

10-03-2011, 12:09 PM	#6
Nutsy Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,982	Re: Rescale some venomous skills T-Up for OoV and Shadow Strike, T-Down for Corrosive Skin... I don't find Viper overpowered yet. __________________

10-03-2011, 07:25 PM	#7
UniversalMan Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Across The Universe Posts: 501 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Rescale some venomous skills About Viper: it`s more like game strategy and balance debates. Some say he was fine even b4 buffs in 6.71, some say he`s quite weak till now. I`m with first one. I don`t find any difficulties playing Viper after some items. But I find quite difficult now to kill enemy Viper with that items. Mb he needs total remake. QoP SS — make this skill more burst for initial as like other 2 to fit her role. The rest dmg and slow only to be in Akasha`s sight of view. Slow, block Dagger/HoT → blink → Scream → attack and other shit → blink → Scream and/or recast SS again to renew dmg and slow and sth like dat Otherwise QoV SS and Veno`s Gale have similar manner but these heroes have different roles

10-04-2011, 03:00 PM	#8
himynameisbam Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 188	Re: Rescale some venomous skills I think that corrosive skin slow is "boring" and "useless"... viper has 3 slow skills... this is not cool t.t