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Old 10-14-2011, 06:06 AM   #1
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DO NOT TROLL THIS THREAD

If you, like me, want the K/D Ratio to be removed so that you can play your games without having to worry about people not playing to win please post your thoughts in this post.

The K/D Ratio serves no purpose it only shows you how many kills you've gotten which doesn't matter at all, it's all about winning. Winning procent is KING.


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Old 10-14-2011, 06:16 AM   #2
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Default Re: - Removal of K/D Ratio in DotA 2 -

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DO NOT TROLL THIS THREAD
You can't expect people to not troll this thread if you started with trolling it.
OT:I already send a suggestion to IF via E-Mail (got no reply, maybe I'll try pigeon next) to implement a guild system.
So yeah, there's 3 stage:
1. Pub - K/D/A stats (Hey it's pub)
2. Comp - You know what I mean.
3. Guild - W/L/D stats + allow guild war to increase guild popularity (normal game can be mix between many guilds with people with the same guild in the same team)
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:19 AM   #3
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you mean dota2 records the k/d ratio in the player profile, and you want it removed? Or you mean removal of the in-game statistics?
 
Old 10-14-2011, 06:19 AM   #4
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Bragging rights?
 
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Yup.
KDR has no place in Dota 2.

Look at what happened to HoN.
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I think its don't solve main problem (i meant kill steal etc).
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:22 AM   #7
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you mean dota2 record the k/d ratio in the player profile, and you want it removed? Or you mean removal of the in-game statistics?
Lol, did you expect an answer to your obvious question?
FYI: The Sherlock Holmes 2 movie is due to be released in mid December so I don't think you still have a chance to audition for the role as Sherlock.
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:23 AM   #8
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I think its don't solve main problem (i meant kill steal etc).
When people start to realize that it's all about winning they won't throw Lina ults at people with 30 hp.
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:26 AM   #9
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You can't expect people to not troll this thread if you started with trolling it.
1. Pub - K/D/A stats (Hey it's pub)
2. Comp - You know what I mean.
3. Guild - W/L/D stats + allow guild war to increase guild popularity (normal game can be mix between many guilds with people with the same guild in the same team)
1. - If you're able to reset it, only then, will some stupid KD stat work.
2. - For competitive play we only need win % and rating
3. - I don't really get it, inhouse?
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:29 AM   #10
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its not in dota 2 right now, and they dont ever plan on implementing it.
 
Old 10-14-2011, 06:33 AM   #11
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its not in dota 2 right now, and they dont ever plan on implementing it.
Source please. Don't make Valve-plans-statements without naming the source.

/troll
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anyway, i dont care that.
 
Old 10-14-2011, 06:40 AM   #13
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+1

I've played over 1800 games of HoN and have never reset my stats. Hence, I DON'T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT STATS!!!!

However, it's all about competition so at the same time- I'm indifferent :P
 
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Source please. Don't make Valve-plans-statements without naming the source.

/troll

idiots these days... trying to sound smart on the interweb
 
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People have stolen before kd as much as with kd.
 
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That doesn't sound smart at all.
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:47 AM   #17
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Yup.
KDR has no place in Dota 2.

Look at what happened to HoN.
This is the truth.
 
Old 10-14-2011, 06:47 AM   #18
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People have stolen before kd as much as with kd.
Like I said, with a winning procent they won't. Please don't make comments before reading what's actually been posted.
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Like I said, with a winning procent they won't. Please don't make comments before reading what's actually been posted.
The winning percent will always stay around 50 regardless of KD ratio.
 
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The winning percent will always stay around 50 regardless of KD ratio.
Nope. Please don't troll, it says so in my first post.
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Nope. Please don't troll, it says so in my first post.
I bet you won't find an error in my previous statement, hence you're the one trolling in your own thread.
 
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i agree. K/D/A stats shouldn't be recorded in valve profile.

look at HoN

people just kill and don't def and don't care about the game if you know what i mean

Fayde = good kdr

dota is different ! DONT BE THE SAME PLZ

if its the same

there won't be a good game anymore
 
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I bet you won't find an error in my previous statement, hence you're the one trolling in your own thread.
Everyone knows that your W/L ratio all depends on how much you win and nothing points towards it almost always being 50% hence you're the troll, not me.
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Everyone knows that your W/L ratio all depends on how much you win and nothing points towards it almost always being 50% hence you're the troll, not me.
Quite on the contrary, everything points towards the average win/loss ratio to be 50% (+\- 5).
 
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Quite on the contrary, everything points towards the average win/loss ratio to be 50% (+\- 5).
We're not talking average win/loss ratio. If you have 20 players ( 4 teams ) the AVERAGE will always be 50% but we're not talking average. You win a lot ==> good win/loss ratio
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We're not talking average win/loss ratio. If you have 20 players ( 4 teams ) the AVERAGE will always be 50% but we're not talking average. You win a lot ==> good win/loss ratio
I'm done
 
Old 10-14-2011, 07:21 AM   #27
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This most probably is going to be an e-sport, son. In every sport in the world you keep records. The human is designed to want to compete with other humans and so on .... its a huge part of the fun.
 
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I'm done
Thank you, don't want the mods to close it because of your trolling.
Seriously, get a clue and stop posting useless info in others' threads.
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Thank you, don't want the mods to close it because of your trolling.
Seriously, get a clue and stop posting useless info in others' threads.
I don't get it.... why the f**k are you trollin' everybody in your thread?!?!? You think that when they remove the K/D/R stats tracking people will stop stealing or ulting ppl which are on 30 hp?!? nope they won't cuz thats who they are... Just a pointless thread...
 
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I don't get it.... why the f**k are you trollin' everybody in your thread?!?!? You think that when they remove the K/D/R stats tracking people will stop stealing or ulting ppl which are on 30 hp?!? nope they won't cuz thats who they are... Just a pointless thread...
I'm not trolling anybody. I said that when they realize it's all about winning they will. Get a life and stop ruining others' threads.
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I wish to troll this thread. But OP won't let me...
 
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I wish to troll this thread. But OP won't let me...
You don't need to cause hes doing a fine job of trolling it himself.

That or he can't accept other people have different opinions.
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it's all about winning
Whaa...nope.
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Whaa...nope.
Get a clue, if you fucking read the thread you would know what I'm talking about.

Srsly, mods, ban every troll in this thread starting with "mk2uall" and "KaNdeeKiD" I've had enough of this.
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A good Dota player =/= high winning percentage Dota player and vice versa.

And your way of just including winning percentage will promotes hugging and stacked team a lot which is definitely not a good thing for the future of Dota.

And making a casual players to just play to win isn't really good idea since for them, having fun could be more important aspect while using only winning percentage to determine skills will cause some ppl to play to srs which might removes the fun factor.
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A good Dota player =/= high winning percentage Dota player and vice versa.

And your way of just including winning percentage will promotes hugging and stacked team a lot which is definitely not a good thing for the future of Dota.

And making a casual players to just play to win isn't really good idea since for them, having fun could be more important aspect while using only winning percentage to determine skills will cause some ppl to play to srs which might removes the fun factor.
This made little if any sense at all. "hugging and stacked team a lot which is definitely not a good thing for the future of Dota." say what?? How is this bad? It's not like random people will play vs teams of 5 in every game.
EDIT: You will also have seperate queues and seperate W/L for 5v5 etc


"And making a casual players to just play to win isn't really good idea since for them" like I said, no sense at all.. I said we need a W/L ratio and no KD ratio because KDR makes people play only for the stats and not the win, don't post bull when you haven't read every post.

"having fun could be more important aspect while using only winning percentage to determine skills will cause some ppl to play to srs which might removes the fun factor." Have fun, I won't stop them , but don't ruin the game by not playing for the win.

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This made little if any sense at all. "hugging and stacked team a lot which is definitely not a good thing for the future of Dota." say what?? How is this bad? It's not like random people will play vs teams of 5 in every game.
EDIT: You will also have seperate queues and seperate W/L for 5v5 etc
Maybe not every but about 20-30% of the total games at least. And how to actually separate? Will 2 queues get separated like 5 queues?

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"And making a casual players to just play to win isn't really good idea since for them" like I said, no sense at all.. I said we need a W/L ratio and no KD ratio because KDR makes people play only for the stats and not the win, don't post bull when you haven't read every post.
And yes, I've read what you wrote and understand it unlike you.

Your logic :
- K/D ratio => ppl care only about kills => ruins the game

With the same logic :
- W/L ratio => ppl care only about winning => too srs game => less fun factors.

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"having fun could be more important aspect while using only winning percentage to determine skills will cause some ppl to play to srs which might removes the fun factor." Have fun, I won't stop them , but don't ruin the game by not playing for the win.
You won't stop but some other dudes that cares too much about the points / stats / whatever it's called will do.

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Get the message, don't troll the thread and don't try to bash the idea with nonsense.
YOU get the message. Don't just call everyone disagree your idea as troll and ignore the critic as nonsense. Both K/D ratio and W/L ratio have advantages and disadvantages and you need to clearly accept it.

And for last point, do you really think a team that lost 30-2 in total kills and didn't dominate any lines and any part of game worth same with a team that lost 44-43 after an epic match for 120 minutes?
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I would agree to remove other player's K/D, but you can still see your own.
 
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I was just about to troll debate with OP but all my point is taken by NothInG.
All I can say is I agree with NothInG
 
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Get a clue, if you fucking read the thread you would know what I'm talking about.

Srsly, mods, ban every troll in this thread starting with "mk2uall" and "KaNdeeKiD" I've had enough of this.
Then you better receive as ban as well. You demolished your own thread from your second post. Seriously, looking at your post history from OTHER peoples threads. You've been less constructive then anyone that has posted in your thread.

Don't dish it out if you can't handle the response.

On-Topic: I actually agree somewhat on K/D Ratio removal only because I've seen how players move away from "team-play" so they have the best possible outcome for their stats regardless if they win or lose.

Valve is very good at profile privacy, I wouldn't be surprised if players had the option to show their stats publicly or not.
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