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Old 12-25-2011, 12:03 AM   #1
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- Added Treant Protector, Terrorblade and Tuskarr to Captain's Mode

Terrorblade is probably one of the most anticipated heroes to be released to the CM pool and now he is. Boasting untargetable illusions, a steroid passive, the ability to go ranged, jungle sufficiently and hp trading, he is one carry to be reckoned with.

However the patches have been very generous to the STR carries. Alch has even more BAT reduction with his ulti and Goblin's Greed has been given an extra 8 gold limit. Sven can't exactly be countered with diffusal blade and warcry isn't as garbage as it was and the list keeps coming.

Will Terroblade's debut version to Captain's Mode be overshadowed by the buffs to the STR carries and quite possibly Slark?
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:15 AM   #2
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I don't see TB doing that well in comp. Good teams just wont let him go below 50% hp without being sure of being able to disable him till he dies. Plus he's way easier to gank early on than AM or Weaver.

But yeah he's still got a sick skillset, he could fit in those ~20min push line-ups. TB doesn't need that much farm to do damage.
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:23 AM   #3
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TB will fail in comp.
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Old 12-25-2011, 12:30 AM   #4
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- Added Treant Protector, Terrorblade and Tuskarr to Captain's Mode

Terrorblade is probably one of the most anticipated heroes to be released to the CM pool and now he is. Boasting untargetable illusions, a steroid passive, the ability to go ranged, jungle sufficiently and hp trading, he is one carry to be reckoned with.

However the patches have been very generous to the STR carries. Alch has even more BAT reduction with his ulti and Goblin's Greed has been given an extra 8 gold limit. Sven can't exactly be countered with diffusal blade and warcry isn't as garbage as it was and the list keeps coming.

Will Terroblade's debut version to Captain's Mode be overshadowed by the buffs to the STR carries and quite possibly Slark?
Untargetable illusions? When did this happen? His illusions take 350% damage and go poof quite quickly to any AoE. That said, they're the only ranged illusions in the game outside a manta on a ranged hero, so meta+manta=5 demons. Zeal is also a very good laning tool. Yes, TB is gankable, but he can also jungle (if not too well early on), so if his team looks out for him via wards, he's going to be well off.

Not to mention that sunder is more or less a bonus. His other skills are very good, and if you do manage to get a sunder off and capitalize on it, that's going to rip the fight open.

That said, I really think his sunder should be remade.
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Old 12-25-2011, 01:11 AM   #5
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TB has sub 900 HP at level 11, his illusions take 350% extra damage, 1 crystal nova and they are gone. Also the cast point of sunder is kind of unreliable, If you try to cast it when you have 200 hp left, the enemy will just throw 1 nuke at you and you are dead.

I don't really see TB being the imba carry of 6.73, his illusion's dps is a little over exaggerated, and he needs quite a bit of farm to become scary.
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Old 12-25-2011, 01:19 AM   #6
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That said, I really think his sunder should be remade.
Yeah, it needs a buff, because the whole hero sux. You can kill max 1 hero, no more in a battle.
And the OP was talking about the illusions from the first skill.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:02 AM   #7
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mfw the moment this hero is released in CM he suddenly is considered shit by everyone
bruno167 did the math, and level 8 terrorblade had like twice or 3 times the dps of most other heroes without counting illusions
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:13 AM   #8
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Untargetable illusions? When did this happen? [...]
Those "untergetable Illusions" are the one's created by Reflection. Which I think are quite strong - at least against the enemy carry [Supports wont both all that much about suffering 65% of their own rightlick dmg]. On top of that it also slows MS AND AS by a whooping 35% within a 350 AoE for 5 seconds.
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mfw the moment this hero is released in CM he suddenly is considered shit by everyone
bruno167 did the math, and level 8 terrorblade had like twice or 3 times the dps of most other heroes without counting illusions
Dota is not only math.
Bruno thinks that right click damage is better than nukes damage and that the lack of any disable is an advantage. So be it.
I'd still prefer any other carry.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:27 AM   #10
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we shall see, i doubt he will be picked much though.
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:02 AM   #11
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TB has sub 900 HP at level 11, his illusions take 350% extra damage, 1 crystal nova and they are gone. Also the cast point of sunder is kind of unreliable, If you try to cast it when you have 200 hp left, the enemy will just throw 1 nuke at you and you are dead.

I don't really see TB being the imba carry of 6.73, his illusion's dps is a little over exaggerated, and he needs quite a bit of farm to become scary.
His illusions is ranged and mostly used for confusion, although their dps is somehow good as they are affected with zeal. what laid behind is meta give terrorblade extra 35% base damage and reflection is a short version of ds' ulti with slow.

sunder as above said is mainly served as bonus but change the battle greatly with one great usage.
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You all are underestimating TB a lot.

Drow was picked all the time in competitive when midgame DPS was extremely important, terrorblade has this times 2. Neither of them have escape mechanisms but with a dedicated team he can turn around ganks with his huge DPS.

With a powerful trilane or dual lane against a solo he can be a serious threat, much more than any other carry in the early-midgame stage. Not to mention his pushing power for a carry is unmatched except for syllabear (But TB doesnt need to afk farm a relic).

I can't say anything just yet, TB sacrifices a lot of survivability for some extremely scary DPS... we will have to see how hes used.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:06 AM   #13
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Just pack of losers above, TB will win CM.
You just 2 tarded 2 realise it by your own.
New TB is such imbalanced as your mothers in rage when they could do everything which comes to their mind.

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Old 12-25-2011, 06:12 AM   #14
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I love how TB was considered imba for months and suddenly after being introduced in cm, he is considered shit.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:43 AM   #15
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I love how TB was considered imba for months and suddenly after being introduced in cm, he is considered shit.
Some people who have posted here are.
I don't agree, but they do have a point. Large changes have been happening in 6.73, and only time would tell how exactly does it affect the whole metagame
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Dota is not only math.
Bruno thinks that right click damage is better than nukes damage and that the lack of any disable is an advantage. So be it.
I'd still prefer any other carry.
you know, when I played this game, I thought a DPS carry doesn't need to have stuns or be some ganker-carry-support wannabe.

A DPS carry is meant to DPS. In this role, nothing beats earlygame TB. His dps is 232 with just treads on level 10. Go ahead and see that others barely exceed 80 at that point with the same gear. heck, a razor with a butterfly+treads at level 10 has 171 (or 178 don't remember) dps.

Sure, TB is weak. 550 range too. Applying "nuke damage" every second is also weak, because it's physical! only magical count! lol.



imho TB is ridiculously broken. I don't know when the "proz" will notice that, but you shouldn't really care too much about that.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:36 AM   #18
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Believe it or not, Tb is going to rape cm mode. No matter how hard you try to say AoE pwns him or w/e else you think you can say.

He eats towers for breakfast, heroes for lunch, and the game is over before dinner.
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Dota is not only math.
Bruno thinks that right click damage is better than nukes damage and that the lack of any disable is an advantage. So be it.
I'd still prefer any other carry.
wana count out how many other carries dont have moderate damage nukes and/or disables?
I will, you can tell me how many of them arent viable.

Syllabear, Weaver, Spectre

oh, is it just me or are those 3 of the most commonly used carries recently?
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It's weird how no one mentioned Lycan, THE mid-game carry. Compare TB's DPS with Lycan's and you can see where TB really fits.
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yes, compare a 550range hero with a melee one - great idea
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So many heroes were bufed that TB falled back a bit. Still he is an insane carry, broken IMO but not as much as it used to be.
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TB is a strong dps hero but kinda easy to gank. Since he has low hp, he just needs to take a few disables to go down.
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So, people still gank in this game? lol
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I think it has potential to be strong, but not overpowered. U can surely shut it down early game. Good addition to cm.
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So, people still gank in this game? lol
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I think it has potential to be strong, but not overpowered. U can surely shut it down early game. Good addition to cm.
he is strongest in early game so good fucking luck shutting him down

it's not some farm-20k-and-own garena rightclick hero
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he is strongest in early game so good fucking luck shutting him down

it's not some farm-20k-and-own garena rightclick hero
If he was introduced to cm mode back when heroes like Drow Ranger were picked, I agree, he would rape.
Right now, he has no chance to replace a Panda (my personel favourite for 6.72, probably for 6.73 too) or any other semi carry hero with a stun. This is a team fight and push era. Not a hard carry one.
And believe it or not, Terrorblade still needs items, since he's just a glass cannon.
However, I don't think that theorycrafting will win the argument. We'll see what will happen. In fact, I expect a 6.73b quite soon, nerfing or buffing a few more things.
P.S. For early/mid dps hero, I'd prefer Lycan - much safer, has 522 ms, can chase.
P.S.2. I've always said that he's not imba, so don't tell me that I think he's a pubstar only since he was introduced to cm.
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:58 PM   #29
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tb was kinda always more of a pub stomp hero then a comp hero imo
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I forsee perma banned/picked.
Time will tell though.
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So, am I the only one who thinks TB is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too overrated?

He makes AM's laning a living hell though
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TB will fail in comp.
He is a glass cannon and carries are never glass cannons.

I'm hoping to see something good out of QQing on TB who I still believe needs a str buff.
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I think he will play a role somewhat similar to a lycan, pushing down towers early-mid with a quick manta. still, it will be interesting to see how teams deal with his insane squishiness...
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he will be permabanned, then never picked, then picked quite often as ~3rd pick
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I think he will play a role somewhat similar to a lycan, pushing down towers early-mid with a quick manta. still, it will be interesting to see how teams deal with his insane squishiness...
He has nothing better than Lycan's and Lycan is not even picked that often now. I don't think he will be top pick/ban.
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He's basically a Lycan who sacrifices tankiness and max movespeed for even more ridiculous dps and pushing.

I expect TB will see some play as a mid game pushing carry who can scale well into late game. Low HP and mobility will probably keep him from becoming a top pick though. It'll be interesting to see how pro teams handle him.
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People dont realise how scarry a TB with some basic items can be... as i said one of the other posts he will one of the heroes who will become very popular in CW and IH....depending upon the performance and synergy with other popular heroes in this new version he will either enter comp or not
at present he is one of the best candidates who rapes after being baby sit for first 10-15 mins...
also as many have said sunder is a pretty decent skill. The skill creates a lot of doubt in the opponents mind just like how timelapse is a great skill...its all abt mindgames and timing
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TB's DPS isn't the highest, especially when his illusions die fast. however he does push down towers at an insane speed, and midgame is where u see the zeal makes him much more powerful then any other carry due to his insane AS
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