[Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

KuroNeko · 01-03-2012, 10:24 AM

Saw this thread; Senyu suggested a black hole-esque ability for DotA 2 that would suck in heroes swirl them around, and <do some other stuff>.

I thought it might be cool to throw this orbiting/swirling effect into Enigma's current oldschool Black Hole, if not just for the visual.

Currently, it simply sucks in enemy units towards the center and deals damage. Sure, that black orb is impressive and being disabled for 4 sec is no fun, but honestly an ability this powerful could use a little bit more eye candy don't you think? Like an echo slam. More pizzazz. It should at least make me believe that it's a black hole. Currently it just moves you slightly closer and damages you with sparklies.**

Anyway, enemies affected by Black Hole slowly orbit based on their distance from the center. A unit at the edge might make a quarter revolution in the 4 sec, while a unit near the center might make around a full revolution. Units orbiting the black hole would probably move somewhere between 150-200ms. CREEPS WILL BE MOVED TO AVOID CLICKING PROBLEMS.

Pros:
-synergy with mana leak, rupture? o_o
-makes more sense than simply inching toward the center and taking damage; that black ball looks cool and all but really THAT'S what's dealing dps and disabling me for 4 sec?
-disorients enemy team
-enjoyable to look at
-overall cool/awesome

Cons:
-affects balance since it moves stuff more
-people may not like their targets moving even though they're moving slowly >,>

**if someone could suggest a better visual for the dps that'd be great too. Sparklies are already used by radiance and seriously why is a black hole sparkling -.-;

AKBu3nY · 01-03-2012, 04:42 PM

Can't judge without testmap. *Starts World Editor*

E: Don't know how much it would affect gameplay. T-null.

Le testmap.

Hemoxyte · 01-03-2012, 06:58 PM

No more instagibbing people with nevermore and black hole? :x

Edit: the visual is ok.... doesn't really have the swirling effect thing (prokatdn testmap on my suggestion fits more imo) but the idea is more of a remake imo.

E02K · 01-03-2012, 07:03 PM

pic or it didnt happen

Hemoxyte · 01-03-2012, 07:08 PM

Wouldn't matter if there's a pic... you won't see the effect in action when it's freezed.

KuroNeko · 01-04-2012, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemoxyte

No more instagibbing people with nevermore and black hole? :x

Edit: the visual is ok.... doesn't really have the swirling effect thing (prokatdn testmap on my suggestion fits more imo) but the idea is more of a remake imo.

People are still pulled toward the center at the same speed as before. Except now, they also swirl around. But if you compare Current black hole with my Suggested version side-by-side, you'd honestly see that each one sucks heroes in at the same speed, the only difference being that mine makes them swirl around and stuff.

It will in no way affect its current synergy with AoE.

Sven2k · 01-04-2012, 01:17 PM

Here's a vid of the testmap :3

Also shouldn't this be in remakes because this can effect gameplay.

Hemoxyte · 01-04-2012, 02:04 PM

If you have played dota imba before the black hole visual there fits the swirling effect much better imo.

AKBu3nY · 01-04-2012, 03:49 PM

^But it's too big and not transparent. Means you can't see the units under it (or only the half unit)

Hemoxyte · 01-04-2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

^But it's too big and not transparent. Means you can't see the units under it (or only the half unit)

True, but i'm just saying it fits this idea more.

KuroNeko · 01-05-2012, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven2k

Here's a vid of the testmap :3

Also shouldn't this be in remakes because this can effect gameplay.

Thank you AK3BnY + Sven2k, that's exactly what I envisioned

^watch that video guys

BrunoPower · 01-05-2012, 12:32 PM

it does really look good

Sven2k · 01-05-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuroNeko

Thank you AK3BnY + Sven2k, that's exactly what I envisioned

^watch that video guys

add them to the OP :3

Monsterlord · 01-05-2012, 04:59 PM

It's good, and I personally would say the gameplay effects are so minor that this can remain in Visuals.

However, if a purely visual suggestion is needed, would it be possible to have some swirling effects instead?

SECXIIKILLA · 01-05-2012, 11:05 PM

Awesome. t-up!

it's like DotA imba's Jugg's spiN!

Sven2k · 01-05-2012, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SECXIIKILLA

Awesome. t-up!

it's like DotA imba's Jugg's spiN!

Which is totally gay and imbalanced >_>

softeas · 01-06-2012, 07:46 AM

Its kinda, imba but its nice... T-null

AKBu3nY · 01-06-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by softeas

Its kinda, imba but its nice... T-null

Its gameplay impact is negligable..

D' Eradicated · 01-07-2012, 04:26 AM

T-Up... Looks awesome like a real Black Hole...

Hemoxyte · 01-08-2012, 12:34 AM

Quote:

T-Up... Looks awesome like a real Black Hole...

been to one? How do you even know that you actually get spinned before being sucked in.

01-03-2012, 10:24 AM	#1
KuroNeko Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Invoqwer Posts: 4,933 Blog Entries: 18	[Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting! Saw this thread; Senyu suggested a black hole-esque ability for DotA 2 that would suck in heroes swirl them around, and <do some other stuff>. I thought it might be cool to throw this orbiting/swirling effect into Enigma's current oldschool Black Hole, if not just for the visual. Currently, it simply sucks in enemy units towards the center and deals damage. Sure, that black orb is impressive and being disabled for 4 sec is no fun, but honestly an ability this powerful could use a little bit more eye candy don't you think? Like an echo slam. More pizzazz. It should at least make me believe that it's a black hole. Currently it just moves you slightly closer and damages you with sparklies. Anyway, enemies affected by Black Hole slowly orbit based on their distance from the center. A unit at the edge might make a quarter revolution in the 4 sec, while a unit near the center might make around a full revolution. Units orbiting the black hole would probably move somewhere between 150-200ms. CREEPS WILL BE MOVED TO AVOID CLICKING PROBLEMS. Pros: -synergy with mana leak, rupture? o_o -makes more sense than simply inching toward the center and taking damage; that black ball looks cool and all but really THAT'S what's dealing dps and disabling me for 4 sec? -disorients enemy team -enjoyable to look at -overall cool/awesome Cons: -affects balance since it moves stuff more -people may not like their targets moving even though they're moving slowly >,> if someone could suggest a better visual for the dps that'd be great too. Sparklies are already used by radiance and seriously why is a black hole sparkling -.-;

01-03-2012, 06:58 PM	#3
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