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Old 01-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #1
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Default [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!


Saw this thread; Senyu suggested a black hole-esque ability for DotA 2 that would suck in heroes swirl them around, and <do some other stuff>.

I thought it might be cool to throw this orbiting/swirling effect into Enigma's current oldschool Black Hole, if not just for the visual.

Currently, it simply sucks in enemy units towards the center and deals damage. Sure, that black orb is impressive and being disabled for 4 sec is no fun, but honestly an ability this powerful could use a little bit more eye candy don't you think? Like an echo slam. More pizzazz. It should at least make me believe that it's a black hole. Currently it just moves you slightly closer and damages you with sparklies.**

Anyway, enemies affected by Black Hole slowly orbit based on their distance from the center. A unit at the edge might make a quarter revolution in the 4 sec, while a unit near the center might make around a full revolution. Units orbiting the black hole would probably move somewhere between 150-200ms. CREEPS WILL BE MOVED TO AVOID CLICKING PROBLEMS.

Pros:
-synergy with mana leak, rupture? o_o
-makes more sense than simply inching toward the center and taking damage; that black ball looks cool and all but really THAT'S what's dealing dps and disabling me for 4 sec?
-disorients enemy team
-enjoyable to look at
-overall cool/awesome

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-affects balance since it moves stuff more
-people may not like their targets moving even though they're moving slowly >,>

**if someone could suggest a better visual for the dps that'd be great too. Sparklies are already used by radiance and seriously why is a black hole sparkling -.-;
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:42 PM   #2
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

Can't judge without testmap. *Starts World Editor*

E: Don't know how much it would affect gameplay. T-null.

Le testmap.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:58 PM   #3
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

No more instagibbing people with nevermore and black hole? :x

Edit: the visual is ok.... doesn't really have the swirling effect thing (prokatdn testmap on my suggestion fits more imo) but the idea is more of a remake imo.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #4
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

pic or it didnt happen
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:08 PM   #5
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

Wouldn't matter if there's a pic... you won't see the effect in action when it's freezed.
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Old 01-04-2012, 04:39 AM   #6
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

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No more instagibbing people with nevermore and black hole? :x

Edit: the visual is ok.... doesn't really have the swirling effect thing (prokatdn testmap on my suggestion fits more imo) but the idea is more of a remake imo.
People are still pulled toward the center at the same speed as before. Except now, they also swirl around. But if you compare Current black hole with my Suggested version side-by-side, you'd honestly see that each one sucks heroes in at the same speed, the only difference being that mine makes them swirl around and stuff.

It will in no way affect its current synergy with AoE.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:17 PM   #7
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

Here's a vid of the testmap :3



Also shouldn't this be in remakes because this can effect gameplay.
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:04 PM   #8
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

If you have played dota imba before the black hole visual there fits the swirling effect much better imo.
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Old 01-04-2012, 04:49 PM   #9
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

^But it's too big and not transparent. Means you can't see the units under it (or only the half unit)
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:02 PM   #10
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

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^But it's too big and not transparent. Means you can't see the units under it (or only the half unit)
True, but i'm just saying it fits this idea more.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:58 AM   #11
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

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Here's a vid of the testmap :3



Also shouldn't this be in remakes because this can effect gameplay.

Thank you AK3BnY + Sven2k, that's exactly what I envisioned

^watch that video guys
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:32 PM   #12
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

it does really look good
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:46 PM   #13
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

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Thank you AK3BnY + Sven2k, that's exactly what I envisioned

^watch that video guys
add them to the OP :3
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:59 PM   #14
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

It's good, and I personally would say the gameplay effects are so minor that this can remain in Visuals.

However, if a purely visual suggestion is needed, would it be possible to have some swirling effects instead?
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:05 AM   #15
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

Awesome. t-up!

it's like DotA imba's Jugg's spiN!
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:38 AM   #16
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Awesome. t-up!

it's like DotA imba's Jugg's spiN!
Which is totally gay and imbalanced >_>
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:46 AM   #17
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Its kinda, imba but its nice... T-null
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #18
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Its kinda, imba but its nice... T-null
Its gameplay impact is negligable..
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

T-Up... Looks awesome like a real Black Hole...
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:34 AM   #20
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

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T-Up... Looks awesome like a real Black Hole...
been to one? How do you even know that you actually get spinned before being sucked in.
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

T-up!

o r b i t s. . . so much eyegasm
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:18 AM   #22
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been to one? How do you even know that you actually get spinned before being sucked in.
You don't believe in movies?
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:49 AM   #23
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nah, i believe in fairy tales.
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:51 AM   #24
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

The swirling only occurs, because of the leftover speed the sucked in matter has
If you don't have any speed at all, you don't swirl at all

T-Up, I definately want this
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

T-up. Awesome suggestion dude!!
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

I really like this! A definite T-UP! Just make the swirling a little less than in the test-map and it's perfect!
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

The spinning is slow anyways, it's not like everyone has Down Syndrome.
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Pretty cool. T-up.

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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

This totaly deserves a T-UP.

E: I have just made a simple effect, someone try it ingame with that blackhole omg omg:D


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**if someone could suggest a better visual for the dps that'd be great too. Sparklies are already used by radiance and seriously why is a black hole sparkling -.-;
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

It does look very nice indeed :> And its effects on gameplay are negligible, so I don't see why not. Also, I'd love to see some magicalish effects look as if they're being sucked into it (eg. the blue projectile that the eidolons shoot). I think it'd look rather neat if some of those spawned and started orbiting around.
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in fact, BH sucks all into it, not swirling them around
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been to one? How do you even know that you actually get spinned before being sucked in.
http://youtu.be/qINGeL7dvAk
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:37 PM   #33
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Default Re: [Visual] Black Hole, Swirling/Orbiting!

I like it. With the swirling effect however you reduce the overall distance towards the center Heroes are moved. For example, Heroes further away are usually pulled straight back. Now the travel in a rounded motion. Maybe I missed a speed change or something, and it is completely negligible, it was just something I thought about. Ups.
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in fact, BH sucks all into it, not swirling them around
Actually a blackhole that results from a collapsed star with high angular momentum will preserve its momentum as it shrinks into a blackhole, a blackhole with that property can bend space-time around it so tremendous that any particle falling into would appear to be "swirling" around the blackhole for a static observer that remains "stationary" outside the blackhole.
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