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Old 02-03-2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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You guys think it's viable at any level? Maxing Sprout and Teleport at early game of course.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:43 PM   #2
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Of course, this is what a lot of players already do. You solo middle lane to get the Level Advangtage and then gank non-stop. Max out Teleport first for the imba 20s global teleport hacks, and then Sprout. Hell, you can get one level of Sprout and then just go stats for that matter. However, I recommend you get Force of Nature at latest 12 ~ 15, since it does help a lot with pushing.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:09 PM   #3
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I wouldn't say that it's totally bad but depending on situations it could also mean limiting your versatility, early game fast pushes can help too you know.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:13 PM   #4
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You guys think it's viable at any level? Maxing Sprout and TP at early game of course.
I think that it is a dreadful build in anything less than an organized hyper aggressive environment.

Stats TP Tree builds have been used in the past but Force of Nature is so powerful I don't see why you wouldn't want it.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:16 PM   #5
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Taking treants at level 1 gets you to level 2 at 30 seconds into the game without drawing from your allied lane, and you could go teleport to the lane after taking out the large creeps and play nothing but TP/sprout after that, but why not take treants at level 1 then? Unless you're ganking on the first wave of creeps, theres really nothing to lose
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:54 PM   #6
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i dont understand why you would max TP first, you don't have the mana to gank someone every 20 seconds, and you could get points in treant so that you can actually push, buying TP's is not against the rules with furion either
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:00 PM   #7
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Not that useful since you get countered by Tango/Quelling
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:51 PM   #8
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No.
If you solo you should get FoN on level 1-2 for free rune warding and bottle abuse anyway, and on side lane you can stack & pull neutrals and ward for ganks and rune.

But for that 1 level is enough.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:57 PM   #9
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If im solo mid with furion, i go back and forth between tp and sprout, but i never skip wrath of nature. That does so much damage in team fights if you know how to cast it. But by level 9 and 10 you should be getting some levels of force of nature. You really only need level 3 of sprout. I say skip 4 and get some treants to help push a lane. Theyre not just great for pushing, theres a certain intimidation factor when your lane creeps and your treants all move towards a tower. Add a jango and thats a sure push.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:06 AM   #10
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I would rather get one level of Trees than one level of stats, but I can see why you would not want to max it in rare situations.

The scouting is just too stronk.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:32 AM   #11
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i dont understand why you would max TP first, you don't have the mana to gank someone every 20 seconds, and you could get points in treant so that you can actually push, buying TP's is not against the rules with furion either
So when you're out of mana you can tp back to base and wait 10 seconds less?


Anyway not getting trees is just wrong. Even if you don't do anything but jungle farm with them it's still 150-250 extra gpm
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:45 AM   #12
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you barely have any laning presence with furion solo mid. you will even get out farmed by a melee hero with a skill that can harass like NS with a quick bottle spamming the living day lights on void. having one of each level on skill on level 3 is good. you can sometimes pull on side lanes to conserve your mana and can gank more. but not getting treants is really a bad idea. unless you are on a shit tier game
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:56 AM   #13
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The levels on Tree Ring doesn't matter if your enemy is decent enough to carry QB/Tangoes.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:57 AM   #14
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Even if I solo, I'll still max Sprout last
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:01 AM   #15
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Yes, if you want carry/ganker stlye. But his would lessen your pushing prowess.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:42 PM   #16
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I think that it is a dreadful build in anything less than an organized hyper aggressive environment.

Stats TP Tree builds have been used in the past but Force of Nature is so powerful I don't see why you wouldn't want it.
Stats?Who comp player or otherwise levels stats instead of anything else?
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:08 PM   #17
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So when you're out of mana you can tp back to base and wait 10 seconds less?
implying a few things
implying that you will end up tping to base directly after a gank
implying that you will have the mana to tp
implying that it's even worth it
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:19 PM   #18
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Default Re: Treantless Furion

No. 1 level of Sprout is enough, since competent opponents usually get QB/Tangoes.
Force of Nature gives you the ability to kill stacked strong camps/ancients and most importantly - pushing capabilities. So taking a shitty "disable" instead of your main skill for pushing is kind of, well, stupid.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:11 PM   #19
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Stats?Who comp player or otherwise levels stats instead of anything else?
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:29 PM   #20
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Stats?Who comp player or otherwise levels stats instead of anything else?
I believe Yamateh does that.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:36 PM   #21
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I always take stats instead of last 2 levels of sprout, since it's a shitty disable anyway, and get them at 18-25
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:37 PM   #22
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I actually do treantless Furion quite a lot. However, you can't push well or scout properly without the treants, so it's not recommended.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:38 PM   #23
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AB3riEQb2Q
TP was maxed first with one level sprout and one level treants. So yes maxing out TP first works just fine.

However, maxing out sprout as well as skipping treants seems ineffectively especially if your opponents are good. Level 4 sprout can be easily countered by 1 tango.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:45 PM   #24
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tp and he will key the numerous possibilities. farm. gank and pull lanes among others. something that would not be possible without the teleport
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:49 PM   #25
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Well, if your enemy can chop trees in one way or the other you're dead

edit: Though maxing sprout (or atleast getting it to 3) was the classic way to play him. Especially when pushing wasn't a priority and was done after 20~ish minutes.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:00 PM   #26
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Sprout is easily long enough for ganking puposes with a total of 1 level in it. Treants are flexible - Scouting, jungling, pushing, lane harass to an extent, blocking people...I usually max them if there's any chance of pushing towers.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:04 PM   #27
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roaming furion with teleport and sprout is the classic way to play him, isn't it?
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:08 PM   #28
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^yes but maxing sprout is really redundant. Sprout is usually powerful enough at level 1 for ganking purposes. Its much more useful to have extra levels on treants for pushing or to have extra stats.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:09 PM   #29
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You guys think it's viable at any level? Maxing Sprout and Teleport at early game of course.
Sprout does not really scale that well. Getting treants is usually better for added pushing/jungling power or for using treants to patrol the jungles for added map awareness.
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^yes but maxing sprout is really redundant. Sprout is usually powerful enough at level 1 for ganking purposes. Its much more useful to have extra levels on treants for pushing or to have extra stats.
it reduces the cooldown. typically people level teleport over it when they feel the extra levels aren't doing much. treants you'd usually take after maxing both.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:15 PM   #31
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imo still better than farmer furion who stays in jungle for 40 minutes and come to base only to defend the last rax.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:28 PM   #32
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QB/tango = waste of sprout lvls
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:55 PM   #33
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Its bad, considering that almost every hero is carrying a tango in the first 10 minutes its just silly not to get force of nature.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:45 PM   #34
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This is ??? considering I haven't seen any serious furion use it.Nor is it viable in 99% of the games.

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Old 02-04-2012, 08:59 PM   #35
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Not leveling sprout is dumb considering that by the 25 minute onwards only melee carries will have QB in their inventory and supports won't have slots for tangos. So it's useful for trapping supports for either solo ganking or teamfights, not to mention you get 3 seconds cd reduce and 2.25 seconds more on the disable. 120 hp and 6 damage cannot be more important than that.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:33 AM   #36
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:10 PM   #37
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You might skip Treant but go for stat instead of Sprout 2-4
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:27 PM   #38
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this is like, Invokeless Invoker or something along the lines of it
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:19 AM   #39
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this is like, Invokeless Invoker or something along the lines of it
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, lack of treant skill does not hinder the use of other skills unlike invoke.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:42 AM   #40
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i max tp bcoz u dont need courier to get items, u ll be rdy for gank very soon , whenever u get harrassed or escape from fight ... dang ur right on business after u tp,

then lvl 2 of sprout thats enough to kill or get killed

need max creeps to farm when game is kinda silent(opp team playin safe) or need creeps for pushing towers.

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