[RMK] Sniper

kanzakill · 06-25-2009, 03:39 PM

Well, since there're many remake suggestion for Sniper, I also want to take part in this bearded competition

First, change his job from Sniper to Gunner

And here come the major change: a gun-changing skill

1st skill:

Gunmanship
After many years of training in the factory and on the battlefield, Kardel has developed a technique which allows him to change his gun to fit for any type of battle.

Notes:

Sniping Mode
Concentrating on mid and long range combat, this mode give Kardel better range for a better hunt.

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Reason:

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Sweeping Mode
Concentrating on close range combat, this mode allows Kardel to attack more targets at the price of a shorter attack range and a slower attack speed.

Effects:

Sniping Mode skills

2nd skill

Brazen Candy
Kardel's brazen bullets sometimes hit his foe's vital point, deal bonus damage and stun for a short duration.

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3rd skill

Aiming
Kardel uses his dwarf engineering skills to make modifications to his rifle, enhancing the range and the accuracy of his rifle temporarily.

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Ultimate:

Assassinate
The current ultimate, (hopefully

) not many changes.

Change:

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Sweeping Mode skills

2nd skill

Iron Marble
Kardel's iron bullets always explode, deal bonus damage and sometimes knockback the primary target.

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3rd skill

Flash Grenade
Kardel uses one of his favorite flash grenades, causing affected foes to do inaccurate actions.

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Ultimate:

Massacre
Take time to fully reload his gun, and then shoot at an amazing speed, dealing continuously damage to a bunch of foes at short range.

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Cp6uja · 06-25-2009, 04:00 PM

I've read it, and its not anything new or unique. You just made him melee/range like troll. Also, I don't thing that sniper needs remake at all. He got his buffs (New AoE slow, and Aghnanims buff). Sniper should stay as noob hero, which is "easy" for noobs, and pwn pubs. I don't find him good with that much complications. Imagine the day when that happens. Forum would crash from whining, also at least 30% pub players will quit DotA, and IceFrog doesn't want that, does he? I'm sorry, but he should stay as low level hero.

Zirath · 06-25-2009, 04:05 PM

Why are there two heroes in one? There is no need for this kind of complication. Transformation heroes have a bad enough time right now as is. Another one with kinda terrible abilities isn't much better.

kanzakill · 06-25-2009, 11:01 PM

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I've read it, and its not anything new or unique.

You got me there

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You just made him melee/range like troll.

No he's always ranged.

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Sniper should stay as noob hero, which is "easy" for noobs, and pwn pubs.

I'm sorry, maybe the teamwork and skill factor affected me too much

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also at least 30% pub players will quit DotA,

LOL especially the ones who use Shrapnel to attack enemy heroes

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Why are there two heroes in one? There is no need for this kind of complication.

Anyone who has played War3 campaign will miss the bear/crow

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Transformation heroes have a bad enough time right now as is.

Troll + Syllabear, not bad at all

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Another one with kinda terrible abilities isn't much better.

Wish you was near me and I had a shotgun

Joking joking

sairenkao · 06-25-2009, 11:19 PM

lol.

The difference is: troll and bear's transformations don't change their entire skillset.

Zirath · 06-25-2009, 11:25 PM

I'm sorry but Troll is awful. Sylla isn't bad now but he used to be trash. And Bear/Crow didn't get a new skill set in ladder.

JaCKaSS_69 · 06-25-2009, 11:26 PM

Prolly one of the worst remakes ever, initially due to the close/range combat "Gunner". >.>

kanzakill · 06-25-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sairenkao

lol.

The difference is: troll and bear's transformations don't change their entire skillset.

I have stated that myself

What wrong with some reality ??? You can't use a shotgun to kill a long range target just like you can't use a sniper rifle to hit many targets

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Prolly one of the worst remakes ever, initially due to the close/range combat "Gunner". >.>

Same as above

Zirath · 06-25-2009, 11:42 PM

Actually, a sniper rifle is a regular rifle that has a scope and a barrel designed to extend bullet travel length. It is still a rifle and can be used short range. You just can't Headshot people. You would know this if you have ever used a rifle.

kanzakill · 06-26-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirath

Actually, a sniper rifle is a regular rifle that has a scope and a barrel designed to extend bullet travel length. It is still a rifle and can be used short range. You just can't Headshot people. You would know this if you have ever used a rifle.

I'm sorry, you're messing with the wrong guy

The difference is the bullet type, shotgun shells are completely different from CheyTac ammos

I have an AK103 (illegal gun) at my house, in case you're curious

Zirath · 06-26-2009, 01:54 AM

I think you're missing the point. A sniper rifle can be used short range.

kanzakill · 06-26-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirath

I think you're missing the point. A sniper rifle can be used short range.

It can be used short range, but only against one enemy

You shoot, they shoot back, you die => A shotgun, SMG, assault rifle or even a handgun is better than sniper rifle in close range combat.

So, why must we force him to use a sniper rifle in close combat?

TobiasOat · 06-26-2009, 12:40 PM

hey, there's a difference between bolt-action rifles and sniper rifles
you could have an automated sniper rifle... haha

on-topic, i dont like the remake, its so complicated (for newbies)

Zack1996 · 06-26-2009, 12:52 PM

The hero has horrible skills that are, frankly, stupid.
What I hate the most is that he has 2 skills based on his form, which is really irritating. You can change to one form, use the abilties, then change to another (I know there's a casting time but Aiming is a buff, no?). You will have a 600 Range Shotgun.
Next, you will be able to throw all your spells at them (Gunner Mode is more Spellcaster than DPSer) and finish with Assasinate. Its a rather brainless hero. Just get skills two and three and ultimate. You'll be able to harrass and kill with just the two abilities and ultimate. Use them all at one go and poof! Death follows.
T-Down. Not the kind of hero that's meant for DotA, its too complicated for new players.

kanzakill · 06-26-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zack1996

The hero has horrible skills that are, frankly, stupid.

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What I hate the most is that he has 2 skills based on his form, which is really irritating. You can change to one form, use the abilties, then change to another (I know there's a casting time but Aiming is a buff, no?). You will have a 600 Range Shotgun.

Never thought of that, thank you!

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Next, you will be able to throw all your spells at them (Gunner Mode is more Spellcaster than DPSer) and finish with Assasinate.

You would be dead before that

4 seconds casting time, can't do anything while casting

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Its a rather brainless hero.

Why? I think this remake need much much more brain cells and strategy to play than the current Sniper

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Just get skills two and three and ultimate.

Then he can't change to close range mode at all

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You'll be able to harrass and kill with just the two abilities and ultimate. Use them all at one go and poof! Death follows.

You will run out of mana before it happens

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T-Down. Not the kind of hero that's meant for DotA, its too complicated for new players.

I - FAIL

Why, every times I try to make something good, it always get complicated.

Anyway, will you agree with me that the skill set icon looks good?

Zirath · 06-26-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kanzakill

It can be used short range, but only against one enemy

You shoot, they shoot back, you die => A shotgun, SMG, assault rifle or even a handgun is better than sniper rifle in close range combat.

So, why must we force him to use a sniper rifle in close combat?

Remind me, which other character has a gun in this game? This ain't Halo/Half-Life/Left4Dead so I think a blunderbuss will be just fine.

EDIT: Icons don't make a good hero. Make a good hero and then give him the good icons.

kanzakill · 06-26-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zirath

Remind me, which other character has a gun in this game? This ain't Halo/Half-Life/Left4Dead so I think a blunderbuss will be just fine.

EDIT: Icons don't make a good hero. Make a good hero and then give him the good icons.

Seriously, you have a very bad sense of humor and you can't tell jokes apart from serious talking.

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blunderbuss

Aw that sucks!

P/S: Your replying speed, how can you achieve that speed? Teach me!

Zirath · 06-26-2009, 01:44 PM

I'm a ninja troll.

And I don't like bad remakes.

JJE92 · 06-26-2009, 09:43 PM

I kinda like some parts of the remake, the concept sounds pretty much ok, but its made too complicated and you shouldnt change every skill imo. This hero would be completely dependant on the first skill, which is a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by kanzakill

Then he can't change to close range mode at all

This shows exactly that you have to learn the first skill to really make use of 3/6 skills, which is forced synergy.

kanzakill · 06-27-2009, 12:10 AM

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Why, every times I try to make something good, it always get complicated.

This is serious talking

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Anyway, will you agree with me that the skill set icon looks good?

This is serious joking

so don't mistake joking as serious talking

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Originally Posted by JJE92

I kinda like some parts of the remake, the concept sounds pretty much ok, but its made too complicated and you shouldnt change every skill imo. This hero would be completely dependant on the first skill, which is a bad thing.

This shows exactly that you have to learn the first skill to really make use of 3/6 skills, which is forced synergy.

Wow, never thought of that! Thank you very much! I'm thinking about how to fix that.
EDIT: Fixed

Joke goes here: He's a damn old bearded Dwaft

! Of course his skill must be linked to technology and you know, technology stuffs is indeed complicated, even for a nerdy guy like me

06-25-2009, 04:00 PM	#2
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,052 Blog Entries: 3	I've read it, and its not anything new or unique. You just made him melee/range like troll. Also, I don't thing that sniper needs remake at all. He got his buffs (New AoE slow, and Aghnanims buff). Sniper should stay as noob hero, which is "easy" for noobs, and pwn pubs. I don't find him good with that much complications. Imagine the day when that happens. Forum would crash from whining, also at least 30% pub players will quit DotA, and IceFrog doesn't want that, does he? I'm sorry, but he should stay as low level hero. __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

06-25-2009, 11:26 PM	#7
JaCKaSS_69 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,045	Prolly one of the worst remakes ever, initially due to the close/range combat "Gunner". >.> __________________ 98% of people have no idea of mechanics, if you are one of the 2% nerds put this in your sig

06-25-2009, 04:05 PM	#3
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	Why are there two heroes in one? There is no need for this kind of complication. Transformation heroes have a bad enough time right now as is. Another one with kinda terrible abilities isn't much better.

06-25-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
sairenkao Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 51	lol. The difference is: troll and bear's transformations don't change their entire skillset.

06-25-2009, 11:25 PM	#6
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	I'm sorry but Troll is awful. Sylla isn't bad now but he used to be trash. And Bear/Crow didn't get a new skill set in ladder.

06-25-2009, 11:42 PM	#9
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	Actually, a sniper rifle is a regular rifle that has a scope and a barrel designed to extend bullet travel length. It is still a rifle and can be used short range. You just can't Headshot people. You would know this if you have ever used a rifle.

06-26-2009, 01:54 AM	#11
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	I think you're missing the point. A sniper rifle can be used short range.

06-26-2009, 12:52 PM	#14
Zack1996 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore! Posts: 1,259	The hero has horrible skills that are, frankly, stupid. What I hate the most is that he has 2 skills based on his form, which is really irritating. You can change to one form, use the abilties, then change to another (I know there's a casting time but Aiming is a buff, no?). You will have a 600 Range Shotgun. Next, you will be able to throw all your spells at them (Gunner Mode is more Spellcaster than DPSer) and finish with Assasinate. Its a rather brainless hero. Just get skills two and three and ultimate. You'll be able to harrass and kill with just the two abilities and ultimate. Use them all at one go and poof! Death follows. T-Down. Not the kind of hero that's meant for DotA, its too complicated for new players.

06-26-2009, 01:44 PM	#18
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	I'm a ninja troll. And I don't like bad remakes.