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Old 10-01-2009, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default The old imba DotA hero


For those people who play DotA a very long time ago:

Do you remember the super imba hero that was present during the Allstars v4.x? He was the Dark Terminator, the only hero that has chaos attack type and can be only accessed through -random/-repick command? He's not in any Tavern. So here's my question... Do you want IceFrog to nerf him and return to the present DotA updates?
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:32 PM   #2
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How can you balance this? Anyway the closest I can think of is Naga Siren
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:33 PM   #3
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That's just plain crazy.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:48 PM   #4
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He can't be nerfed.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:57 PM   #5
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^seconded.
Too imba skills. -_-
I suggest returning the hero with new skills.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:04 PM   #6
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Lets see:
Chaos knight+ leoric+clinkz+panda how do you balance that?
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:04 PM   #7
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well i prefer to make heroes like this not just one hero like in mortal kombat he is like motaro. . iprefer to have ABnormal heroes like him. . about 5 of them. . in getting it on -random not on repick(it sucks).^_^
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:13 PM   #8
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I want Void Demon back

Xxx has picked Void Demon.

Sentinel has left the game!
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Old 10-01-2009, 03:20 PM   #9
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he had the marine model right? scrap the skills and bring on the model, u can even name him the dark terminator if u want.
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Old 10-01-2009, 03:28 PM   #10
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All of his skills are boring and generic skills anyway. If they plan to bring him back they need new skills.
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Old 10-01-2009, 03:40 PM   #11
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Btw, iirc he had 700 starting range.

anyway, he could be perfectly balanced but would also have unoriginal skills (considering we balanced those).
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Old 10-01-2009, 03:42 PM   #12
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i think the marine model fails. it doesnt fit the map or even look good.
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:41 AM   #13
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^seconded.
Too imba skills. -_-
I suggest returning the hero with new skills.
Yes... Changing the attack type to hero type from chaos and changing the skills is great. Just like what icefrog did on batrider. He changed the skills and return it to the tavern.
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:42 AM   #14
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I want Void Demon back

Xxx has picked Void Demon.

Sentinel has left the game!
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As you can see, Void Demon was considered as DotA's failures, just like Astral Trekker and many others.
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:56 AM   #15
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i think the marine model fails. it doesnt fit the map or even look good.
same rant when clockwerk was first introduced
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:59 AM   #16
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Was this Void Demon like the roc one? A slow, a stop, evade and Void (global stun)?
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:32 AM   #17
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Was this Void Demon like the roc one? A slow, a stop, evade and Void (global stun)?
Mmmm ur thinking of faceless's old self.

Void Demon was Haste Aura, Degen Aura, Tremors (hurt towers), and I think a skill similar to void (NS). Pretty much the moment you saw the Haste Aura on his ally creeps, you knew you were screwed. There was no getting away.
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:50 AM   #18
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The most powerful hero WAS the gambler! Why? He could one shot Roshan AT level 1! 1% to kill him one shot. Now that's OP. No one comes near to that :P
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Old 10-02-2009, 03:29 AM   #19
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I think the idea of a fun hero which can only be accessed through repicking or randoming is great, it doesn't negatively affect the competitive scene yet still provides a refreshing change when you get him.
However it shouldn't be that hero, rather a different and interesting hero which is only slightly better than the others.
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Old 10-02-2009, 03:57 AM   #20
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Lets see:
Chaos knight+ leoric+clinkz+panda how do you balance that?
Add Sniper into that combination, and it's balanced.
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:03 AM   #21
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I am glad that Astral trekker din make it to the normal dota game if not for sure i would quit dota.

His skill is the most imbal in game with 10 sec net , 6 sec AOE stun and a 80 SEc magic immunity plus bonus 500 hp.

THis is what you call imbal.
The other imbal char is magic dragon that can spam spell every sec as long as you have the mana.
Void demon is no where near the calibre of these heroes.
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:33 AM   #22
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Chaos attack type is worse than Normal attack type in dota, because the percentage is different from Warcraft ladder, or OP really means Pure damage type??
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:46 AM   #23
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I'll quote some things i heard from TC before nerf:

Its balanced, you can pwn him with guinsoo.

You just need to gang him.

Na he is k, yesterday void with mom and butterfly pwned me like paper, belive me this hero needs no nerf.

He is k, he can't do a shit against a team, one disables him and the others kill him.
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:54 AM   #24
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I'll quote some things i heard from TC before nerf:

Its balanced, you can pwn him with guinsoo.

You just need to gang him.

Na he is k, yesterday void with mom and butterfly pwned me like paper, belive me this hero needs no nerf.

He is k, he can't do a shit against a team, one disables him and the others kill him.
Didn't we mention Dark Terminator is actually 2 heroes(same stats, damage output, and damage taken) and has a windwalk, critical, chaos damage(pure damage actually) and has resurrection??
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Old 10-02-2009, 07:02 AM   #25
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base on his skills.. i wonder how many players random just to pick him..
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Old 10-02-2009, 07:22 AM   #26
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base on his skills.. i wonder how many players random just to pick him..
Believe me, unless it was a game between friends, the moment someone gets him, the rest qq.
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:10 AM   #27
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Believe me, unless it was a game between friends, the moment someone gets him, the rest qq.
And indeed, who would wanna play against that? I mean.. is there a point?
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:10 PM   #28
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Astral Trekker FTW! XD
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:22 PM   #29
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I remember when Luna with a manta style was the imba.

You could basically win 1v5.

I started playing in the 5.54 era, when Riki had death ward lol.
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:51 PM   #30
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No, don't bring him back. He was hell to play agains't then and won't be any fun now a days eirther.
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:13 AM   #31
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so imba
6 times?
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a 6x crit at level7 means once it procs, gg ... add a global blink and ww o.O

oh and his image is special ... the green numbers count, which means if u get a dr on this guy, he can send in his image to mop the field

good luck balancing him

ps. i'd like to see the ring that gives 2 health regen 50% mana regen and 4 stats make a comeback
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:42 AM   #33
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Was this Void Demon like the roc one? A slow, a stop, evade and Void (global stun)?
RoC time demon didn't have global stun, the global stun was in the early allstars version of him. The RoC time demon had a 10 seconds 1000 aoe stun, which is a bit too imbalanced for the current game.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:50 AM   #34
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same rant when clockwerk was first introduced
i alvays thougth CG looked cool.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:03 PM   #35
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anyone else have ss's of old abilties from old heroes, and also is there anywhere you can download old versions of the maps(if they even still would work)? I wouldn't mind seeing some of these heroes in practice mode or w/e.
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DoTA old Heroes - ESNation Forums
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:32 PM   #37
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^ thank you sir
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