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Old 02-17-2012, 10:09 AM   #1
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And yes, i have used the search function, but there are so many different and conflicting ways to build this n3grolyte. So my question, what do the pro's build with him in the current metagame? Is there no universal, agreed build for this hero?
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #2
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He's commonly built as a Tank, other times an early Support but still acts as a quasi tank as the game drags on. Soul Ring and Mekansm can be considered as common staple items on him, Hood/Pipe and Vanguard though is still somewhat arguable. If you wanna base your build and the role that you're gonna be playing on the current meta then you'd probably want to go for Utility and rush for items that can benefit you and your team, something like a Mekansm, Arcane Boots and a Janggo (I'm not saying that this is a Pro build just to make it clear).
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:31 AM   #3
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Necro is indeed quite flexible.
I usually go for RoB, [simple boots + SR] / [Arcane], Wand, Meka, Soulbooster as core.
Later I opt for hex / pipe. Occasionally bloodstone or necrobook.
And finish with shiva / hot.
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Works as a pretty nice DPS carry hero.

Phase->Mek+basi->Radi+Mjolnir+skadi+AC/shiva

Allows you to deal quite significant aoe D.o.t

Or we can go for the boring:

Mek+VG+hood (2 of them)->Shiva / hex
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:39 PM   #5
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Build whatever you want on him depending on the game.

Blademail is strangely good when you've stacked HP.

And I can see where your account name comes from, OP =)
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:27 PM   #6
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I really dislike Meka on him, early on you have mana problems and meka does nothing but to make them worse.
I personally like this:
Phase/Arcane (for soulbooster)
VitBooster/VG
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Finish Soulbooster/Hex/AC/Shivas
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:42 PM   #7
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What's the point of Soulbooster if its not gonna be upgraded to Bloodstone?
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:47 PM   #8
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Treads, Mek, Jango, Bloodstone, Aghys, Guinsoo
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Treads, Mek, Jango, Bloodstone, Aghys, Guinsoo
Do you realize that Bloodstone mana and mana regeneration are wasted on Necro and that Aghanim is shit?
Look if you have a hero with 1800, he loses 900 and then your cast your ulti:

- Not Agha
Damage: 900*0.9 = 810

- With Agha
Damage: 900*1.2 = 1080

1080 - 810 = 270

I would have Dagon instead...
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:18 PM   #10
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Treads > Janggo > Mek > Hex > Heart
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:39 PM   #11
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Treads, Mek, Jango, Bloodstone, Aghys, Guinsoo
Whoever suggests Aghanim's on Necro should delete dota from his computer.

On a serious note I find core the following:

-Phase boots
-Stick
-Mechansm
-Guinsoo

Then the situational

-Shivas
-Bkb
-Blademail
-Divine (yes,that shit is amazing on necrolyte only after you tank him)
-Heart/Satanic

Anything else on necrolyte is pretty much shit.
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Whoever suggests Aghanim's on Necro should delete dota from his computer.

On a serious note I find core the following:

-Phase boots
-Stick
-Mechansm
-Guinsoo

Then the situational

-Shivas
-Bkb
-Blademail
-Divine (yes,that shit is amazing on necrolyte only after you tank him)
-Heart/Satanic

Anything else on necrolyte is pretty much shit.
Necro is mean to Tank some damage for his team, BKB ruins the purpose of doing that and If I'm going to play "semicarry" Necrolyte I would rush Radiance or get Mjollnir after tanking him up... but Divine is much more risky than Radiance and it also more hard to farm.
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Necro is mean to Tank some damage for his team, BKB ruins the purpose of doing that and If I'm going to play "semicarry" Necrolyte I would rush Radiance or get Mjollnir after tanking him up... but Divine is much more risky than Radiance and it also more hard to farm.
Bkb is core if enemy has like 10 disables and you have a lot less.

Trust me,I played a game where nothing but Divine could win the game.

And it did.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:05 PM   #14
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This is the thing that is infuriating me with this hero, when it comes to this topic, as I've mentioned, no one can agree on one unified build for Necro.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:21 PM   #15
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This is the thing that is infuriating me with this hero, when it comes to this topic, as I've mentioned, no one can agree on one unified build for Necro.
Of course noone can present you a serious build for necrolyte because hardly anyone plays necrolyte in -cm games and succeeds at it.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:37 PM   #16
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:38 PM   #17
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Necro is mean to Tank some damage for his team, BKB ruins the purpose of doing that and If I'm going to play "semicarry" Necrolyte I would rush Radiance or get Mjollnir after tanking him up... but Divine is much more risky than Radiance and it also more hard to farm.
Well you should never rule out BKB on any hero. Even Centaur should get BKB if necessary. Necro could get it, but it is highly situational and rare that you would need one.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:41 PM   #18
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I've tried the tanker route on him, str treads, vg, meka but it never seems to work because of the lack of mana. been trying arcane, bloodstone and shivas and provides better results.
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dagger depending on ur ally

hex is old school best item

meka only if u got arcane boots
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Bkb is core if enemy has like 10 disables and you have a lot less.

Trust me,I played a game where nothing but Divine could win the game.

And it did.
I think that this post explain pretty much what I think of BKB on Necrolyte:

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Well you should never rule out BKB on any hero. Even Centaur should get BKB if necessary. Necro could get it, but it is highly situational and rare that you would need one.
And about Divine: Because it worked in ONE game it don't means that it should be effective in everygame

Necrolyte is a hero that needs item that don't lose their utility has the game goes on.
I personally like the Heaven's Halberd and Pipe combo.
Both magic resistance and Evasion escale has your HP becomes higher making Necrolyte extremely hard to bring down, in top of that the Heaven's-Pipe build have synergy with items like Shivas, Ghost Staff, Linken's and Mjollnir (Again, Mjollnir is viable only in semicarry builds)
A alternative for the Heaven's-Pipe build would be Heaven's-Mekkans or RoA-Pipe.
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First of all, the build up to aghys and the about 400 HP is the main attraction to it. Secondly try building a big item in the current meta game with necro like guinsoo after mek jango, let me know how ti goes with your awesome escape mechanisms.
Thirdly the regen on bloodstone allows you huge team presence by allowing you to spam heals and even if youa re focused down the huge aoe team heal of bloodstone helps a lot.
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In that game I had full core item build in around 60 minutes which if I recall correctly looked like this:

-Shivas
-Heart
-Guinsoo
-Butterfly
-Radiance
-Travels

I sold shivas for divine and I pretty much destroyed every carry in the enemy team.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:10 PM   #23
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This is the thing that is infuriating me with this hero, when it comes to this topic, as I've mentioned, no one can agree on one unified build for Necro.
That's because there is no unified build for him. Build what seems fitting for the game, you'll get a better feeling for that with some time.

Some basic tankiness should be there (Hood/Pipe or Meka, Platemail is good even if you don't plan for a Shiva), and maybe something to increase his manapool/regen a little bit (Basi, Urn, Arcanes, even a Medaillon could be okay). From there get what is needed, more tankiness (Shiva/Heart), disable (Hex), and if you feel that you'll get bursted down no matter what, a Bloodstone can be quite neat to heal up your team if you happen to die. Also, feel free to build a Janggo too, you can't really go wrong with that item.

I think that either a Meka OR a Pipe should go on him if both are not covered by your team already. But don't build both or you getting picked off removes two very valuable items for your team.

There are no real boots of choice either, any boots but Tranquils are pretty good on him. And switching to BoTs when the game goes rather late is always a good idea though.
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Well you should never rule out BKB on any hero. Even Centaur should get BKB if necessary. Necro could get it, but it is highly situational and rare that you would need one.
I agree with DucK, no hero should rule out BKB. I play Centaur a lot and sometime I buy BKB when the needs come. BKB synergies well with Return.

OT: usual build Necrolyte: RoB-Vanguard-hoodpipe-bloodstone-guinsoo-Aghanim-mekans
alternatives: insert radiance-Shiva-BKB

Necrolyte quite flexible with any boots. He can use AB, thread, phase or travel. I never try new boots on him, so I don't know if it suit him.
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First of all, the build up to aghys and the about 400 HP is the main attraction to it. Secondly try building a big item in the current meta game with necro like guinsoo after mek jango, let me know how ti goes with your awesome escape mechanisms.
Thirdly the regen on bloodstone allows you huge team presence by allowing you to spam heals and even if youa re focused down the huge aoe team heal of bloodstone helps a lot.
Lol who say that I'm a fan of Guinsoo in Necrolyte?
Secondly Aghanim is shit on Necrolyte, you get a lot of HP from it, but Heaven's Halber or RoA outshines it by far because
1) If you get Heaven's then you have by far more EHP than with Agha
2) If RoA you have a better active than the bonus from Agha.

ALSO late Necrolyte don't needs the mana from Agha or Bloodstone not the regen, he haves Sadist!
And why in the name of help a team will focus Necro if he is going to heal his team when he dies? No sense.
You don't need Bloodstone, late Necro already haves enough mana to spam his heal.
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Mass Balance,I don't think you'd say Aghanim's is good on Necrolyte after I tell you "the max damage of Aghanim's is ~7% of a hero's hp"....
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@Redeemed: Again. the Aghys isn't for the ult upgrade, its more for the stats that come in cheap parts...

@Royal: Rod of Atos gives about half the HP and is not that much cheaper. HH is good, but gives no mana.

I didn't realize in the late you would have unlimited farm, due to thsi meta game favoring necro so much... I am not talking about some pubshit games im talking about viability in mid to high level games and CW's.

Teams focus necro, because alive his heal is deadly and with bloodstone, killing him can make him equally as deadly. If you are casting heal at every CD, unless you have 2 or 3 big mana items you will be oom in about 30 secs of pushing.

Seriously how are u laning necro so he has your unlimited farm.
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@Redeemed: Again. the Aghys isn't for the ult upgrade, its more for the stats that come in cheap parts...

@Royal: Rod of Atos gives about half the HP and is not that much cheaper. HH is good, but gives no mana.

I didn't realize in the late you would have unlimited farm, due to thsi meta game favoring necro so much... I am not talking about some pubshit games im talking about viability in mid to high level games and CW's.

Teams focus necro, because alive his heal is deadly and with bloodstone, killing him can make him equally as deadly. If you are casting heal at every CD, unless you have 2 or 3 big mana items you will be oom in about 30 secs of pushing.

Seriously how are u laning necro so he has your unlimited farm.
Did I say that he haves unlimited farm? Where? could please quote that part?
Or else I will gently ask you stop putting words in my mouth... thank you.

Necrolyte is mean to solo for boots you get Arcane if you feel that you are going to have mana problems, if you don't want arcane then get Treads (STR) and a Soul Ring.
When you play with Necrolyte you should get 1 or 2 levels on Sadist early and if you last hitting is "decent" you could have ENOUGH mana early on to sustain the constant usage of Pulse in lane to get more farm.
With that farm you can get a Heaven's Halberd and a Pipe/Mekkans around midgame, if you (for some strange and situational reason) find yourself still with mana problems get RoA instead of Halberd and a Mekkans at midgame it gives MUCH more survivality and utility than a Bloodstone or Aghanim.
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In pubs i usually start with headress of rejuvation when im in dual, rush mana boots and mek usually max heal and stats till around 10 taking ulty when possible, then work on ac/shiva if going good, else more HP from a bracer. Dont hesitate to get just platemail and delay rest. After shiva / ac i sometimes get vang or hood then straight hex or blood should become so tank u can just run around a min with them chasing and they take dmg from aura and heals so theyll have to focus you at some point. Ulti when someone is 40% hpish to counter magic resistance aswell. Only works in stomps though.
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@Redeemed: Again. the Aghys isn't for the ult upgrade, its more for the stats that come in cheap parts...

@Royal: Rod of Atos gives about half the HP and is not that much cheaper. HH is good, but gives no mana.

I didn't realize in the late you would have unlimited farm, due to thsi meta game favoring necro so much... I am not talking about some pubshit games im talking about viability in mid to high level games and CW's.

Teams focus necro, because alive his heal is deadly and with bloodstone, killing him can make him equally as deadly. If you are casting heal at every CD, unless you have 2 or 3 big mana items you will be oom in about 30 secs of pushing.

Seriously how are u laning necro so he has your unlimited farm.
If you're playing pubs it's one more reason to play with mecha.

If you want status,go drum+ultimate orb.But it's not like Necrolyte needs raw hp and mp pool alone...
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Oh btw 1 lvl of aura early wrecks most ppl that start with ring of health, dont skill past 1 though since it actually is only half more effective
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Drum is cheap enough, but going for ult orb is still a huge investment that early on... I find necro nearly impossible to put as solo mid anymore, the best you can do is put him as farmer in a trilane. And with that I would rather put some meat on him faster than saving for an ult orb which gives awful stats/gold
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Drum is cheap enough, but going for ult orb is still a huge investment that early on... I find necro nearly impossible to put as solo mid anymore, the best you can do is put him as farmer in a trilane. And with that I would rather put some meat on him faster than saving for an ult orb which gives awful stats/gold
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Drum is cheap enough, but going for ult orb is still a huge investment that early on... I find necro nearly impossible to put as solo mid anymore, the best you can do is put him as farmer in a trilane. And with that I would rather put some meat on him faster than saving for an ult orb which gives awful stats/gold
Errr... would you mind explain why Necro is not a good solo?
The only way to effectively play Necro is to going for a solo lane.
There is no point in letting him being a "trilane farmer" when your carry can perform much better with that early farm.
Did you realize that Necro is a bit level dependent? Also why would you get a heal + stats build on him early? is terribad, if you want mana then get one level on Sadist if you want harrasing power get 1 level on aura.
The best build IMOH is Pulse, Aura/Sadist, Pulse, Sadist/Aura, Pulse, Ulti.
Having 1 level on Sadist and 1 in Aura helps you to stop some regeneration items while you regain mana.

The other build that focus on farming skips ulti at level 6 and leaves it up to lvl 9 the build focus on maxing Sadist and spamming pulse to get some epic farm. It was used by DK or Panda (can't remember well) in a CM match not so long ago.
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Works as a pretty nice DPS carry hero.

Phase->Mek+basi->Radi+Mjolnir+skadi+AC/shiva

Allows you to deal quite significant aoe D.o.t

Or we can go for the boring:

Mek+VG+hood (2 of them)->Shiva / hex
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Works as a pretty nice DPS carry hero.

Phase->Mek+basi->Radi+Mjolnir+skadi+AC/shiva

Allows you to deal quite significant aoe D.o.t

Or we can go for the boring:

Mek+VG+hood (2 of them)->Shiva / hex
Radi+Mjolnir? I'd rather go Mael+AC // Radi+HoT/Skady
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The reason that necro isn't a great solo mid, he gets crushed by AA, Bat, Invoker etc mid. and as not having an escape mech, he is vulnerable to smoke.
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The reason that necro isn't a great solo mid, he gets crushed by AA, Bat, Invoker etc mid. and as not having an escape mech, he is vulnerable to smoke.
I can't think in a bunch of heroes that are decent solo mids and don't have a escape mechanism: Krobelus, Zeus, Tinker, Broodmother, Warlock, Moon Rider, Razor, etc.
All of these heroes are good laners, none of them haves a disable, stun or slow that can be used has a escape mechanism.
And How is a hero with a low cd heal, decent attack damage, mana recovery passibe and a DoT-free-harassing aura not a good laner? Wow.... That's beyond me!
You might has well think that Morphling is a bad laner, he haves shitty starting damage, low range, low armor (1.36), needs to level up "stats" in order to have decent attack damage early and in top of that he don't haves enough mana early to spam Waveform.
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The reason that necro isn't a great solo mid, he gets crushed by AA, Bat, Invoker etc mid. and as not having an escape mech, he is vulnerable to smoke.
I agree that there are better alternatives for a solo mid hero which are less gankable. However, Necro is a very decent safe lane solo.

Also Necro is an utility hero, his purpose is to keep his allies alive during a team battle (at the same time he damages the enemies). Necro is not a carry hero, none of his skill scale into late game based on his own items. To achieve this the following items a pretty good on him:

Arcane
RoB
Mekansm
Hood / Vanguard
Wand

Wand and Mekansm are mandatory on necro. Both items give a boost to the HP of Necro therefore allowing him to stay in battle for at least one more deathpulse, but likely two.

I did not try the new items but theorycrafting it seems that both HH and ROA are good on him. HH can easily replace vanguard since regen should not be the problem for necro.


In the latest versions there were some small changes to the skill of necro, most notably:
- Sadist lvl 4 mana restoration
- Constant AOE on Pulse on each level
- Constant AOE on Aura

Hence, his skill tree pretty much requires on lvl of aura early game, max nuke first, max sadist second, take ulti when possible.
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