Eye of the Storm

[JaCKaSS_69]

Eye of the Storm Rebalance

Currently Eye of the Storm targets the lowest in hp enemy in the area. However, this many times is unwanted especially when enemy creeps are around. After Plasma Field creep's hp usually gets lower and thus EotS targets them and leaves the hero poking Razor at his will.

*MANDATORY FIX*

As many were saying the skill checks for hp amount and not % hp left thus being even worse than I thought, I just didn't think Ice would make such a poorly coded skill. So a no-brainer, mandatory change to begin with would be to make it check for % of hp instead of hp amount.

After the mandatory fix, I have to propose the following fixes for this:

1. Make Storm hero targetting only

Pretty self explanatory, it might still have some unwanted effects if nearby targets are blasted by nukes faster than the one you are focusing currently but it would still have a more desirable effect with little drawbacks.

OR

2. Make Storm target the hero Razor is attacking

Much like how Exorcism's spirits are focusing the hero Krobelus is targetting, make EotS target whoever Razor is attacking. I don't really favour this one, being much much more controllable imfo, but is just another option.

OR

3. Make Storm prioritize heroes over creeps

Due to popular demand, added this simple suggestion so that EotS could still be used for creeps (mb summons) as well, but will simply prioritize heroes in the AoE.

What do you guys think?

Edited to clear the missconception, I propose one of them to be applied not both.

[Whitefang]

Never play new razor before but this is good idea.

[Pengwyn]

im not sure exactly how much dps this would make him do, but as a glass cannon he would be extremely dangerous.

[BlacRyu]

I think it's fine how it is, strategy is a good thing. There are many skills where creeps get in the way. Just lure them into the forest Like you do for Luna's ulti, Clocks ministun skill, omnislash, and any other computer-targeted skill.

[PS2MAN]

And while we are at it lets Make Eclipse and Omislash hero only and only hit the hero you are attacking too.

[JaCKaSS_69]

Originally Posted by Whitefang

Never play new razor before but this is good idea.

I'm glad you think so.

Originally Posted by Pengwyn

im not sure exactly how much dps this would make him do, but as a glass cannon he would be extremely dangerous.

Its not like Razor currently is that of an imba hero. >.>

Originally Posted by BlacRyu

I think it's fine how it is, strategy is a good thing. There are many skills where creeps get in the way. Just lure them into the forest Like you do for Luna's ulti, Clocks ministun skill, omnislash, and any other computer-targeted skill.

Note that Luna's and Juggernaut ulti apart from being much stronger are lasting much much less making them worth to be drawn away from creeps. EotS deals much much lower damage compared.

Originally Posted by PS2MAN

And while we are at it lets Make Eclipse and Omislash hero only and only hit the hero you are attacking too.

Offtopic and spam, but anyway as said they are much much stronger and I mentioned I don't favour the second option much.

[PS2MAN]

Originally Posted by JaCKaSS_69

Offtopic and spam, but anyway as said they are much much stronger and I mentioned I don't favour the second option much.

No, it was ontopic and correct. Eye of the Storm is already stronger than Eclipse by a mile due to the synergy with Static Link and the fact it can stack with itself. All you are doing is crying because you fail at using a powerful ulti correctly and you want its limitations removed. That is as stupid as removing them from Eclipse or Omislash. There is no need.

I fail at using Pudge, maybe I should post a balance Topic to make Hook Homing like Toss?

[aut.taker]

Well actually PS2Man got a Point here. IMO EotS is VERY Powerful atm and while he probably ist not as imba as Magina with Manta Style, he can pwn pretty hardcore. He can farm extremely well and with Static Link and his ulti can pwn in 1on1 situations too. If it would be Hero-Only, the ulti would be far too powerful, and if it would be the attacking hero, then he would be imba as hell

I think its great that not all heros are point&click heros, would be lame if you just klick ulti on and kill everything.. skills ARE important, and thats good

[JaCKaSS_69]

An ultimate that loses 63/40/32% of its effectiveness by a 550 gold cost item (PMS if you don't know what it is) and 70/56/44,8% by Vanguard is not something that I personally consider strong particularly.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by PS2MAN

No, it was ontopic and correct. Eye of the Storm is already stronger than Eclipse by a mile due to the synergy with Static Link and the fact it can stack with itself. All you are doing is crying because you fail at using a powerful ulti correctly and you want its limitations removed. That is as stupid as removing them from Eclipse or Omislash. There is no need.

I fail at using Pudge, maybe I should post a balance Topic to make Hook Homing like Toss?

Eye of the storm is by no means stronger than Eclipse.Eclipse will almost immediatly whipe out your entire hp and it can be considered a viable 2v1 rambo spell.But EotS has many times failed me in my attempt to haunt down mid/late game heroes (carriers with low hp) because always neutrals or red life creeps critically interupted the ultimate and the ultimate focused on them for a long time (about 3 seconds) because it doesn't deal nuke damage.

Anyway,I really do agree with these changes,as far as static link is slightly nerfed,if possible not to drain more damage than enemy has

[PS2MAN]

Originally Posted by JaCKaSS_69

An ultimate that loses 63/40/32% of its effectiveness by a 550 gold cost item (PMS if you don't know what it is) and 70/56/44,8% by Vanguard is not something that I personally consider strong particularly.

Oh so your saying that PMS counters Armour Reduction now?

Unless ofc you are seriously trying to suggest that Eye of the Storm is powerful because of the DPS and not the Inf Stacking Deso that synergises stupid well with the damage static link grants? Because if you are then you loose all credibility.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by PS2MAN

Oh so your saying that PMS counters Armour Reduction now?

Unless ofc you are seriously trying to suggest that Eye of the Storm is powerful because of the DPS and not the Inf Stacking Deso that synergises stupid well with the damage static link grants? Because if you are then you loose all credibility.

I think it's the fact that you won't be dealing with 1v1,but rather with a whole team and yes,in the early to mid game the 550 countering item can be really ouch.Also razor doesn't have a stun skill (or did I forget something) so you can go away with a tp,if you are solo ganked.
And I'm really not amused by the HP potential of Razor

Edit:Also greatly counterable by summoning heroes,just like OP said (examples Enigma,Broodmother (ouch),Rexxar etc..)

[PS2MAN]

Originally Posted by Kasad

I think it's the fact that you won't be dealing with 1v1,but rather with a whole team and yes,in the early to mid game the 550 countering item can be really ouch.Also razor doesn't have a stun skill (or did I forget something) so you can go away with a tp,if you are solo ganked.
And I'm really not amused by the HP potential of Razor

Edit:Also greatly counterable by summoning heroes,just like OP said (examples Enigma,Broodmother (ouch),Rexxar etc..)

so? Jug does not have a stun skill and Luna barely has one. They are countered the same way razor is, running away or hiding in creeps/your allies. Eye of the Storm follows the same rules those ulti's do and no amount of retards crying that they cant 1 shot everything is going to change that. Hence this topic is pointless, all it is is a noob crying.

[.:$huKuCh!:.00]

It is balanced so you won't get to choose your target for your ultimate. If you do, it makes it a bit inbalanced. In fact, you shouldn't initiate with your plasma field since it will hit creeps thus making your ultimate target the lowest HP (enemy's creep) which is obviously not your target. Start by hitting on your target and your target's HP will gradually drop thus your ultimate will aim your target anyway. Finish with Plasma, don't initiate.

-Kirameki-

[Orkimond]

no, dont do either, its good as is

[Dark Rogue]

I think the first should be done. It's very annoying when I'm chasing someone, and the storm keeps hitting creeps. And, maybe not his target, but the enemy hero with the lowest HP, kinda' like the current system.

[Terresquall]

Eye of the Storm is already stronger than Eclipse by a mile due to the synergy with Static Link and the fact it can stack with itself.

Luna is able to deal up to 1200 damage to a single hero over 2.4 seconds. At higher levels Eclipse is even able to wipe out 2 to 3 heroes over a course of 4 to 5 seconds. Each beam triggers per 0.6 seconds.

Omnislash unleashes an average of 600/1000/1600/2000 (with Aghanim's) damage over 1.2/2/2.8/3.6 seconds on a single-target and auto-locks in to its target. Each slash triggers per 0.4 seconds.

If you chase a target alone for 10 seconds (that's more than double the time Eclipse/Omnislash happens) with Razor, Eye of the Storm deals 413/650/1000 damage. Even if we assume that this damage dealt is pure (to account for bonus damage from armor reduction), Eye of the Storm still only barely matches Eclipse and Omnislash in damage. And that's assuming that your 10-second romp with your target manages to get their armor into the negatives. Moreover, having a solo 10-second romp with an opponent is sheer luxury--if he doesn't stun you and escape, you'll probably see yourself get ganked.

Let's not also forget that having another ally come into the picture at any time will ruin your solo romp immediately--Eclipse just works on the other ally at full effectiveness too (at higher levels), and Omnislash splits the ally some of the damage. Eye of the Storm simply shifts the focus away from the hero whose armor has just been shattered. Also note that Omnislash makes up for its deficiencies in damage compared to Eclipse in team situations by rendering Yurnero invulnerable. What does Eye of the Storm use to make up for its cons compared to Eclipse or Omnislash? Armor-reduction? Or the fact that it lasts 30 seconds and that you'll probably die before it expires?

[HappyCat]

I agree that Eye should work like exorcism. Razor's ultimate is pretty weak in comparison to others, and the fact that he needs to get hp items due to being in the middle of the fight means that his damage is pretty poor by itself. I don't see anything being imba or gamebreaking in letting him control who it hits.

And btw, eye does magic damage iirc

[HugSeal]

Originally Posted by HappyCat

I agree that Eye should work like exorcism. Razor's ultimate is pretty weak in comparison to others, and the fact that he needs to get hp items due to being in the middle of the fight means that his damage is pretty poor by itself. I don't see anything being imba or gamebreaking in letting him control who it hits.

And btw, eye does magic damage iirc

He will however not have low damage due to beeing in the middle of a fight while sucking 20dmg/sec meaning some nasty damageboost. couble it with a bkb and you are pretty much all set

[Bovver]

1. Make Storm hero targetting only

that sounds really good, but maybe the damage should be nerfed?