[ANIMATION] Toss

Terresquall · 10-04-2009, 04:27 PM

What's That

A long long time ago, there was a suggestion in the old DotA-Allstars forum that sought to improve Toss's spell animation. This is a revival of that suggestion.

The Improvement?

Essentially, what I'm trying to do here is to make Tiny play his "attack" animation when he casts Toss (by changing the spell's animation field in the Object Editor), so that it doesn't look like he telekinetically hurls his enemies up in the air when he tosses them.

Additionally, I'm also proposing what I think is a better landing animation for Toss. Having this:

...instead of this:

...which is Ladder's Warstomp animation, currently an animation in DotA shared by many skills.

The dust cloud is made from multiple models of the death animation of Abilities\\Weapons\\AncientProtectorMissile\\Ancie ntProtectorMissile.mdl. More specifically, 1 is positioned at the landing point, while the 12 more of them are positioned around the center one 125 distance units away at 30 degree intervals.

This little dust cloud also provides a better indication of Toss's area of effect.

Will It Affect Gameplay?

Tiny is quite famous for his 0 cast point, which means that all his spells have no casting time. Adding a cast animation wouldn't, in any way, change his spell's 0 casting time or how it works at all. It can still be cancelled instantly after it is cast like now (casting Toss still interrupts Tiny's orders even without a cast time).

And adding the animation isn't futile, because while Tiny has 0 casting time on his spells, people still take time to animation cancel it, so you actually can catch a glimpse of him doing something, instead of him standing still and telekinetically moving his rocks.

Testmap!

You can find it here.

Miscellany

It'd be great if Toss had a target cursor instead of a big fat circle when we're finding targets, because the current one is so misleading. It gives people the impression that they have to select a target area, not a target unit, and it leads to newer players having problems and not connecting Toss at all.

ZΣD · 10-04-2009, 04:29 PM

Yes,very nice

t-up

The Observer · 10-04-2009, 04:45 PM

i was thinking of this the other day. toss needs an impact animation, then here it is!

t-up.

GetTriggerUnit- · 10-04-2009, 04:53 PM

I'd also add the effect (FLAK CANNON) attached to the target.

btw, Protecting that map is retard.

qlq · 10-04-2009, 05:29 PM

Oh well it looks good.
T-up.

Dark Mizuki · 10-04-2009, 06:00 PM

Very neat, high quality suggestion. There's no harm T-Up-ing this idea, looks good thematically and helps gameplay as well (the dust cloud does give an impression of the AoE).

I'd really want to see this in the next version. =)

NoThlnG · 10-05-2009, 12:56 AM

Looks good. T-Up[

AXN · 10-05-2009, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terresquall

What's That

Miscellany

It'd be great if Toss had a target cursor instead of a big fat circle when we're finding targets, because the current one is so misleading. It gives people the impression that they have to select a target area, not a target unit, and it leads to newer players having problems and not connecting Toss at all.

The whole suggestion is great and better than the old one. This is why I support this suggestion but also I wanted what Terresquall said about the target cross-hair of the skill. It should be a cross-hair rather than an AOE circle since it confuses players.

Yes it does show the AOE range BUT common-knowledge of using the AOE circle is that it can be targeted on the ground. A simple cross-hair will make it target accurately and user-friendly. AOE of the skill can be placed in the tool-tip description of Toss.

Jenova- · 10-05-2009, 07:45 AM

Flawless, as most of your suggestions. Good to see you are also around these parts

thoby123 · 10-05-2009, 09:54 AM

Fantastic as ever, glad to see the master's work at hand

king_james · 10-05-2009, 09:57 AM

Holy Shi-. Nice eye-candy for this Toss.

Support for shore.

noerK · 10-05-2009, 10:25 AM

im not at home for now, so i can't watch the testmap.

i like each part of your suggestion, but got one little question:

Will it make any kind of sound at toss/impact?

atomchoco · 10-05-2009, 03:10 PM

definitely t-up

DuKKY · 10-05-2009, 04:47 PM

T-up! maybe add like a wind trail animation behind the unit getting tossed

MurazorOFAngmar · 10-05-2009, 07:59 PM

Looks really nice, T-up.

Super-sheep · 10-05-2009, 08:00 PM

t-up

and war stomp effect indicates more likely a stun so it fails :l

EseQueL · 10-06-2009, 08:29 AM

T-up!

Ame-furi · 10-06-2009, 11:26 AM

Terresquall · 10-07-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Will it make any kind of sound at toss/impact?

It will. The dust cloud animation is hardcoded to produce a sound when it is played.

Rizenix · 10-07-2009, 06:03 AM

Like it! T-Up!

10-04-2009, 04:27 PM	#1
Terresquall Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 314 Blog Entries: 2	[ANIMATION] Toss What's That A long long time ago, there was a suggestion in the old DotA-Allstars forum that sought to improve Toss's spell animation. This is a revival of that suggestion. The Improvement? Essentially, what I'm trying to do here is to make Tiny play his "attack" animation when he casts Toss (by changing the spell's animation field in the Object Editor), so that it doesn't look like he telekinetically hurls his enemies up in the air when he tosses them. Additionally, I'm also proposing what I think is a better landing animation for Toss. Having this: ...instead of this: ...which is Ladder's Warstomp animation, currently an animation in DotA shared by many skills. The dust cloud is made from multiple models of the death animation of Abilities\\Weapons\\AncientProtectorMissile\\Ancie ntProtectorMissile.mdl. More specifically, 1 is positioned at the landing point, while the 12 more of them are positioned around the center one 125 distance units away at 30 degree intervals. This little dust cloud also provides a better indication of Toss's area of effect. Will It Affect Gameplay? Tiny is quite famous for his 0 cast point, which means that all his spells have no casting time. Adding a cast animation wouldn't, in any way, change his spell's 0 casting time or how it works at all. It can still be cancelled instantly after it is cast like now (casting Toss still interrupts Tiny's orders even without a cast time). And adding the animation isn't futile, because while Tiny has 0 casting time on his spells, people still take time to animation cancel it, so you actually can catch a glimpse of him doing something, instead of him standing still and telekinetically moving his rocks. Testmap! You can find it here. Miscellany It'd be great if Toss had a target cursor instead of a big fat circle when we're finding targets, because the current one is so misleading. It gives people the impression that they have to select a target area, not a target unit, and it leads to newer players having problems and not connecting Toss at all. __________________ Visual Suggestions Stone Gaze \| Avalanche \| Toss \| Blink (AM) \| Scream of Pain \| Reality Rift \| Minor Fixes \| Freezing Field \| Poison Touch \| Mana Void \| Laser \| Shadow Wave \| Rhasta \| Meat Hook \| Fiery Soul \| Omnislash \| Tombstone \| Pit of Malice \| Dark Rift \| Shrapnel \| Venomous Gale More of my visuals suggestions can be found here. Other Suggestions Fix lifesteal bug \| Track tweak \| Coup de Grace remake

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10-04-2009, 04:29 PM	#2
ZΣD Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 846	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss Yes,very nice t-up

10-04-2009, 04:45 PM	#3
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,632 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss i was thinking of this the other day. toss needs an impact animation, then here it is! t-up. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

10-04-2009, 04:53 PM	#4
GetTriggerUnit- Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Montreal, Québec, Canada, North America Posts: 819 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss I'd also add the effect (FLAK CANNON) attached to the target. btw, Protecting that map is retard. __________________ iTunes Control Simple program to control iTunes without needing Alt + Tab Dota Gadget Windows Vista and Windows 7 gadget with Dota-Related utilities

10-04-2009, 05:29 PM	#5
qlq Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In the abyss of the unknown Posts: 2,926 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss Oh well it looks good. T-up.

10-04-2009, 06:00 PM	#6
Dark Mizuki Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 861	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss Very neat, high quality suggestion. There's no harm T-Up-ing this idea, looks good thematically and helps gameplay as well (the dust cloud does give an impression of the AoE). I'd really want to see this in the next version. =) __________________ SIG GUIDES

10-05-2009, 12:56 AM	#7
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10-05-2009, 07:45 AM	#9
Jenova- Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Argentina Posts: 1,574	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss Flawless, as most of your suggestions. Good to see you are also around these parts

10-05-2009, 09:54 AM	#10
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10-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#11
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10-05-2009, 10:25 AM	#12
noerK Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany, NRW Posts: 199	Re: [ANIMATION] Toss im not at home for now, so i can't watch the testmap. i like each part of your suggestion, but got one little question: Will it make any kind of sound at toss/impact? __________________ Check out my suggestions: - -

10-05-2009, 03:10 PM	#13
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10-05-2009, 04:47 PM	#14
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10-07-2009, 06:03 AM	#20
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