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Old 03-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #1
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Default Help on Phantom Assasin.


Since recent buffs on PA in 6.73/6.74 i wanted to give PA a shot.
Need some help on item/skill builds. Thanks.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:37 PM   #2
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1.Blink/Blur
2.Dagger
3.Dagger
4.Blur/Blink
5.Dagger
6.Blink
7.Dagger
8.Blink
9.Blink
10-11: Ult
12-14: Blur


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Core:
PMS
Phase
Wraiths
Aquila

Core extension: Basher

Luxury:
BKB
Bfury
MKB
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:43 PM   #3
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squishy carry with a crit as signature skill. intuition my friend lol
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:45 PM   #4
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Thanks Lanther.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:07 PM   #5
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I like Phase Aquila HotD BKB -> Basher

If you are getting babysit, then early BF/Midas is quite devastating.

Skill build wise, you max Dagger first. Get 1 point in Blur, then max Blink Strike next.

Alternatively, there is a Phase Vanguard Basher build.

I play all heroes solo mid. Sometimes if I'm against a heavy nuke team, I would go for Janggo, before building towards BKB. Cloak might be considered then. Stick is situational, almost never a need to upgrade to Wand.

Remember that you shouldn't play as a hard carry. You have quite good DPS potential early on with just Phase and Ulti, so you should abuse it and snowball. Only thing I hated about PA when I solo mid Pub is if there are too many nukers like Tinker. Forces me to rice a BKB first.

MKB is a good extension. Manta is decent, SnY if you need some HP too. I like Yasha alot on her, but I sort of dislike either extensions for PA :\
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

^So i should focus less on farming? And a little more on ganking instead?
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:41 PM   #7
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^So i should focus less on farming? And a little more on ganking instead?
Yes. If you're farming you will push past your prime.

Mort is the strongest when supports are still relatively weak. Early basher can be a very effective way of playing.

BFury builds are a truckload of failure.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:50 PM   #8
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

Basher is good. Phase is good. BKB is a must. Armlet works too, so does Desolator. MoC is good on her too. Try to experiment different items, do not fear innovation. Heck, even Necro works very well. Be curious.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:53 PM   #9
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Phase & Manta are both equally stupid on PA. Armlet? Desolator?... gosh. I would take MoC at most.

if you wanna "innovate" then take my compact Vang + MoM + Basher. Not that crap you suggested.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:46 PM   #10
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Start with 2slippers 2 branches salvetangoes

4Wraiths (Yes 4 of them no matter you are doing good or bad) >> Treads >> HotD >> MKB/Basher >> BKB

Skill built is
lv1 blink/blur
lv2 dagger/blink
lv3 dagger
lv4 blur
lv5 dagger
lv6 ulti
lv7 dagger
lv8 blink++

4Wraiths are just the key to be successful as PA in serious games.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:18 AM   #11
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

treads, hotd, rapier on games where your teammates are owning. It will be fun to see people chasing after your divine
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:11 AM   #12
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

Skills:

Max Dagger ASAP
Max Blink
Take Ult whenever possible
Max Blurr afterwards

Items:

Ring of Aquila
Treads
HotD -> Satanic
Battlefury -> Divine
Basher -> Upgraded
BKB or Heart of Tarrasque if Magic Immunity isn't required
MKB

You usually want to stack some creeps with a Dominated Creep. It's simple, make the dominated creep get creep aggro at min x:52 and then walk away. The camp will stack in which you can get alot of gold afterwards.
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:01 AM   #13
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

Get a roamer in your team. Solo mid. Get one level of Blur, one on Blink, max dagger. Farm a PMS --> RoH --> Perseverance --> Phase --> Battlefury and BKB afterwards.
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:45 AM   #14
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

PMS, Aquila, Phase as core.
HotD and Basher afterwards
BKB afterwards.
Finish with MKB.

Alternatively, if your early game somewhat failed, a janggo is never bad.

You should't go playing a rice for 40 min type of game for several reason.

Her mid game is quite strong due to really good chasing abilities and laning skills.

Her late game is strong, but nothing special. She is not a guarantee victory unless enemy team is severely underfarmed.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:12 AM   #15
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phase->moc/aquilla->bash->bkb->finish abyssal/bfury if you're hard pressed at defending or want to push faster.

as long as you avoid certain items(all the caster ones, bfly, buriza) you'll be fine.

mostly what the others are saying except at level 6 i tend to have 1blur3dagger2blink. taking ult at 10-11.

she's actually pretty good at early ganks, as long as she isn't on the receiving end.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:20 AM   #16
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

I don't care how your skill build goes but whatever you do don't pick up your ultimate at 6, it's not as useful as the other skills.

Item build is pretty straightforward in my opinion.

QB, 2x Branch, Salve, Tango -> Treads, Magic Stick, PMS, BFury -> Multiple Rapiers
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:23 AM   #17
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I don't why phase form needed her. Hasn't she already good chasing skills?
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:07 AM   #18
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^Because of Phase. You chase well, but things get in your way. Simple as that.

PT or Phase Boots, totally up the you.
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:38 AM   #19
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Default Re: Help on Phantom Assasin.

You get phase for +24 damage which means better laning and some killing power early on.

If you really want that shitty BFury build, there's no reason not to get treads. I don't know why would anybody want to play it that way though.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:23 AM   #20
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Skill build :
1.dagger
3.blur
max blink then blur . ulty if you can
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PT or Phase .
HotD
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Upgarde your basher (abyssal )
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:34 AM   #21
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M-m-monster damage. Escape mechanism as, well as good farming tool. I'm expecting Mortred to became a new top-tier hero in a few months.

As for item builds she is really flexible and should be built according to the enemy actions.

You can build her like AM/Riki (fast midas/bfury/diffuse/manta/vlad/bkb )or like Potm/Gondar/Weaver (Moc/Vg/...DPS)
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:41 AM   #22
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I'm expecting Mortred to became a new top-tier hero in a few months.
Won't happen.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:44 AM   #23
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Skill build:
Max dagger and blink(depending on the situation) with a level of blur early on. You should aim to get dagger LVL 2 asap, as it lets you to outlasthit nearly everyone.

Item build:
Basilius -> (Magic wand // if there are a lot of spammers) -> PT/PB. -> Vlad's/HoTD -> BKB/Basher -> Basher/BKB.

The rest of the build is up to you really. Satanic is nice, but it isn't overly useful to be honest. I prefer getting better orbs. With your high ASP, Feedback is incredibly powerful, and purge ensures that the enemy can not escape you. Desolator gives you huge bonus damage, but i dislike it as it gives nothing else. Satanic/Diffusal are much better stat-wise. Manta makes you VERY hard to kill, and is extra poweful with diffusal. Otherwise the illusions are a bit underwhelming. Whatever you do, your aim is to have +200 damage with good survivability as soon as possible, to ensure that you have nice 4 digit crits.

However, if the enemy has a more powerful carry(which are quite plentiful) you should aim to finish the game ASAP. Mortred isn't really THE carry, single target damage and all.
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:01 AM   #24
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Ugh, so many people suggesting basher. This really makes me worried about future of dota.

Jugger is popular these days and I'd pick mortred over jug any day.
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:04 AM   #25
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Ugh, so many people suggesting basher. This really makes me worried about future of dota.
People finally realized that 40 damage and 6 str for 2900 gold is a good deal.
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:09 AM   #26
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People finally realized that 40 damage and 6 str for 2900 gold is a good deal.
Basher is almost never a good deal. It takes a slot, has no utility and the upgrade is only viable after you're fully packed.

By the same logic I'd say: DR for 6k is much MUCH better than your shitty basher.
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:18 AM   #27
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laughing my fucking ass off.

Our best players here frequently use bashers on early game damage dealers. Go and tell them they are stupid.

DR comparisons are retarded. it's not "the same logic", it's an idiotic stretch.
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Basher is almost never a good deal. It takes a slot, has no utility and the upgrade is only viable after you're fully packed.

By the same logic I'd say: DR for 6k is much MUCH better than your shitty basher.
You want to become a treat at early-mid. Basher is the best option by far. Along with Phase, I could almost say that Mortred is a good hero.
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:42 AM   #29
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You want to become a treat at early-mid. Basher is the best option by far. Along with Phase, I could almost say that Mortred is a good hero.
No I really don't want to become a PA with basher and phases in early-mid game. Like REALLY don't want to.

Well at least now I know where are those pb+bf juggernauts are coming from. The clock hits 30th minute, and I just facepalm at those guys with nothing but boots+dps on carries. You are USELESS.
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No I really don't want to become a PA with basher and phases in early-mid game. Like REALLY don't want to.

Well at least now I know where are those pb+bf juggernauts are coming from. The clock hits 30th minute, and I just facepalm at those guys with nothing but boots+dps on carries. You are USELESS.
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Before we humiliate this guy, it would be nice to hear what does he actually get for Mortred.

If it's battle fury, dear xRdR: save yourself the humiliation and don't post.
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Before we humiliate this guy, it would be nice to hear what does he actually get for Mortred.

If it's battle fury, dear xRdR: save yourself the humiliation and don't post.
Well you've already humiliated yourself with your post. Learn to read. And that early glass canon build when any spell deals more damage than PA with basher is the worst noobs build.
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you mean this shit?

"You can build her like AM/Riki (fast midas/bfury/diffuse/manta/vlad/bkb "

Midas. Diffusal. Vladimir.

On Mortred.

What the fuck am I reading.

Dude, even Garenaspawns pick better items than you.



And of course Bfury. Lol.

I honestly don't see ANY survivability in midas, battlefury, diffusal or vladimir, so what the fuck are you saying about phase+basher being "glass cannon" ? Unless you think the minuscule armor bonus from Vladimir makes you "non-glass cannon"?

not to mention only biggest of retards get Vlads on AM. And Mort. And Riki.
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you mean this shit?

"You can build her like AM/Riki (fast midas/bfury/diffuse/manta/vlad/bkb "

Midas. Diffusal. Vladimir.

On Mortred.

What the fuck am I reading.

Dude, even Garenaspawns pick better items than you.



And of course Bfury. Lol.

I honestly don't see ANY survivability in midas, battlefury, diffusal or vladimir, so what the fuck are you saying about phase+basher being "glass cannon" ?
Lol. Now I see, you're just trollin. Ripping half of my senteces out of context is the worst way to prove something.

If you're getting babysited and freefarmed it's best to go midas and bfury to boost up your farm.

And if you want survivability and early ganks - I provided another build with VG/moc/.

This IS a stable build on carry heroes in current high-lvl games.

I get it you're a noob and troll. Ignored.
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I honestly don't understand what hole have you crawled up from if you propose such shitty builds that even Garena tards would laugh about.

-apem battle.net pro, perhaps?

it doesn't really matter if it's me, Fireblaze, Kris, Pondrac, Badmafa or any other player that will laugh at you, but let me tell you this: you will be laughed at here. A lot.
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I honestly don't understand what hole have you crawled up from if you propose such shitty builds that even Garena tards would laugh about.

-apem battle.net pro, perhaps?

it doesn't really matter if it's me, Fireblaze, Kris, Pondrac, Badmafa or any other player that will laugh at you, but let me tell you this: you will be laughed at here. A lot.
Lol, You're a downright idiot if you can't see my signature. I'm coming directly from Dota2. Got there in October and never came back to your shitty apem.bnet or whatever the place you're coming from.
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Oh my. "Dota2 pro" playing since October.

That explains all.

Probably 13yo, too.

Kid, most of people here play for 5 or more years, playing at least inhouse games (and often organized too), and you come with your shitty half-year practice in incomplete Dota2 pubs to our grounds to make absurdly retarded build proposals?

Lol.

The nerve of kids nowadays.
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Oh my. "Dota2 pro" playing since October.

That explains all.

Probably 13yo, too.
Well at least we have some real pro's to watch here. Unlike dota 1 faggots with fast bashers on carries.

FYI. I started playing dota around 5.3x.
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So you're saying Kris is a "dota 1 faggot with fast basher on carries"?

he would own you with both hands tied behind his back.

He uses basher at times on heroes like PA.

You're really funny.
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Lol. Now I see, you're just trollin. Ripping half of my senteces out of context is the worst way to prove something.

If you're getting babysited and freefarmed it's best to go midas and bfury to boost up your farm.

And if you want survivability and early ganks - I provided another build with VG/moc/.

This IS a stable build on carry heroes in current high-lvl games.

I get it you're a noob and troll. Ignored.
Vanguard doesn't provide anything useful to her. Yes, the HP is a hundred or so higher than the basher, but she doesn't need HP regen due to lifestealing a ton of HP with just one dps item and the damage block is absolutely useless for a hero who DOESN'T get hit a lot(evasion) and is often prone to being bursted down.

Basher is very cost-effective, provides decent surv, high dps, a very handy disable(the +AS from blink strike nearly ensures at least one bash per blinlkstrike) that helps a great deal. You deal pretty good DPS by midgame and can later upgrade it into abyssal blade, which is absolutely sexy. It gives you 100 damage in ONE slot( no silly DR comparisons please) and adds yet another activatable stun to your team.
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