Dota 2 and magic immunity.

MeSoloTopPlz · 03-13-2012, 09:08 PM

Hi,

As many dota 2 beta players may or have not noticed,magic immunity is different than in dota 1,and i wonder if this is the case because valve are not limited by warcraft 3 game engine,or if they have the guts to make such a huge change in game balance.

Discuss.

oh right,let me give you some very practical and obvious examples : In dota 1 any ulti which is a debuf will not be removed by bkb/rage etc(except global silence) whereas in dota 2 it is removed, eg : Track,amplify damage,Netherstrike of viper.

NaixForMayor · 03-13-2012, 09:18 PM

Amplify damage can be removed by rage. Dont know if track can. It should but viper's strike I dont think so

Manlybug · 03-13-2012, 09:35 PM

ส็็็็็็็็็็็็ Yea, you don't receive viper damage if your are in BKB.

Its not such a big change as you describe it.

jimmyvan · 03-13-2012, 09:40 PM

Track,amplify damage,Netherstrike of viper
---
i am pretty sure track and amplify damage are removed if you activate BKB. as for VIPER strike, i guess you may still be slowed but no damage.

MeSoloTopPlz · 03-13-2012, 09:57 PM

Really?afaic in dota 1 amp dmg and track always stayed on you,bkb or not,i guess they removed it in the latest patches.

Yendor · 03-13-2012, 10:06 PM

No. If you have BKB, they can track/amplify you. If you get tracked/amplified and THEN BKB, it vanishes.

They are ultimates that means you can cast them ON magic immune targets. Yet the magic immunity removves some effects if cast afterwards.

(and it was always like that. One might even say it's hardcoded in WC3 ;p)

RaidenStorms · 03-13-2012, 10:10 PM

You forgot to mention how you can cast positive buffs on allies, while they are magic immune.

Lord_Talron · 03-13-2012, 11:47 PM

iirc most slows are not removed when you gain magic immunity.

NoThlnG · 03-13-2012, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeSoloTopPlz

oh right,let me give you some very practical and obvious examples : In dota 1 any ulti which is a debuf will not be removed by bkb/rage etc(except global silence) whereas in dota 2 it is removed, eg : Track,amplify damage,Netherstrike of viper.

Wrong.

Track and Amplify Damage is removed in Dota 1 as well though you can cast it through BKB (which is same wth BKB)

MeSoloTopPlz · 03-15-2012, 02:42 PM

Ah one more thing i forgot to mention,in dota 2 you cannot double click force staff yourself when bkb is activated,im sure thats a bug,Valve needs to fix that.Very annoying with OD to not work.

fushengyuan · 03-15-2012, 03:07 PM

what are you talking about.. if u get viper's ulti, then turning on bkb wont remove the slow.

Lord_Talron · 03-15-2012, 03:23 PM

thats what i said

LostENT · 03-15-2012, 03:37 PM

I've heard people complaining that Tiny's toss shouldn't work on BKB'd units. Someone was mad about it during one of my last games so I figured I'd share it.

Same goes for Fiend's grip. I'm not complaining.

Typhox · 03-15-2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeSoloTopPlz

Ah one more thing i forgot to mention,in dota 2 you cannot double click force staff yourself when bkb is activated,im sure thats a bug,Valve needs to fix that.Very annoying with OD to not work.

According to IceFrog, it is an intended change from DotA. You can't cast forcestaff on magic immune units including yourself in DotA, afaik the fact that you could still do it with double clicking the item is a bug in DotA/WC3 Limitation.

@LostENT,
People always get mad when they get ulted^^

Luffydude · 03-15-2012, 05:15 PM

It was stupid when Huskar desperately needs BKB, he gets it and then his survival skill doesn't work.

Same thing with Naix and alacrity, what is the point of buffing your ally when he's gonna lose the buff?

Dota2 for the win

hANDoFbLOOD · 03-15-2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typhox

According to IceFrog, it is an intended change from DotA. You can't cast forcestaff on magic immune units including yourself in DotA, afaik the fact that you could still do it with double clicking the item is a bug in DotA/WC3 Limitation.

Source?

doomsheep · 03-15-2012, 07:21 PM

ults go through immunity but gaining immunity also removes (most?) buffs from ults. basically the later casted affects the first one. it has always been like this.

i'm guessing things that were ladder ults stay on even if you become immune (doom) but things that were originally normal abilites keep ther behavoir even though they can be casted on immunes.

of course there's also the triggered stuff that typically doesn't care what happens to your hero like battlehunger or maledict.

Sly_theK1ng · 03-15-2012, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yendor

No. If you have BKB, they can track/amplify you. If you get tracked/amplified and THEN BKB, it vanishes.

They are ultimates that means you can cast them ON magic immune targets. Yet the magic immunity removves some effects if cast afterwards.

(and it was always like that. One might even say it's hardcoded in WC3 ;p)

it is hardcoded ;p

Typhox · 03-16-2012, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hANDoFbLOOD

Source?

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?...597#post116597

Lord_Talron · 03-16-2012, 04:12 AM

dat frog

03-13-2012, 09:08 PM	#1
MeSoloTopPlz Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,667	Dota 2 and magic immunity. Hi, As many dota 2 beta players may or have not noticed,magic immunity is different than in dota 1,and i wonder if this is the case because valve are not limited by warcraft 3 game engine,or if they have the guts to make such a huge change in game balance. Discuss. oh right,let me give you some very practical and obvious examples : In dota 1 any ulti which is a debuf will not be removed by bkb/rage etc(except global silence) whereas in dota 2 it is removed, eg : Track,amplify damage,Netherstrike of viper.

03-13-2012, 09:18 PM	#2
NaixForMayor Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Home of Beauty: Peru Posts: 2,667 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. Amplify damage can be removed by rage. Dont know if track can. It should but viper's strike I dont think so

03-13-2012, 09:35 PM	#3
Manlybug Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: _________ส็็็็็็็็็็็็ Posts: 1,206	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. ส็็็็็็็็็็็็ Yea, you don't receive viper damage if your are in BKB. Its not such a big change as you describe it.

03-13-2012, 09:40 PM	#4
jimmyvan Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong, Shanghai Posts: 1,341	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. Track,amplify damage,Netherstrike of viper --- i am pretty sure track and amplify damage are removed if you activate BKB. as for VIPER strike, i guess you may still be slowed but no damage.

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03-13-2012, 09:57 PM	#5
MeSoloTopPlz Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,667	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. Really?afaic in dota 1 amp dmg and track always stayed on you,bkb or not,i guess they removed it in the latest patches.

03-13-2012, 10:06 PM	#6
Yendor Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 6,727	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. No. If you have BKB, they can track/amplify you. If you get tracked/amplified and THEN BKB, it vanishes. They are ultimates that means you can cast them ON magic immune targets. Yet the magic immunity removves some effects if cast afterwards. (and it was always like that. One might even say it's hardcoded in WC3 ;p) __________________ None of my responses are meant as an offense to any of you Suggestions Other things (NO Chuck Norrises) 1. swap stout and poormans shields name 2. give cycloned units flying vision 3. Shareable Items, let them be noticed 4. [Buff] Chainlightning-like abilitys (make them groundtargetable) 5. Aegis and the shopping mall [Not the usual] 1. There's a wordfilter in all signatures 2. Boots of Elvens Kin or Elven Skin? That's for you to decide.

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03-13-2012, 11:47 PM	#8
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03-15-2012, 02:42 PM	#10
MeSoloTopPlz Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,667	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. Ah one more thing i forgot to mention,in dota 2 you cannot double click force staff yourself when bkb is activated,im sure thats a bug,Valve needs to fix that.Very annoying with OD to not work.

03-15-2012, 03:07 PM	#11
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LostENT Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Pangea Posts: 1,367 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Dota 2 and magic immunity. I've heard people complaining that Tiny's toss shouldn't work on BKB'd units. Someone was mad about it during one of my last games so I figured I'd share it. Same goes for Fiend's grip. I'm not complaining.

03-15-2012, 05:15 PM	#15
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